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Old 06-20-2009, 12:42 AM   #1
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North Korea might launch missiles @ Hawaii jul. 4th

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/18/korea.gates/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527020,00.html

Figuring we talked about the sabre rattling going on (or more like Radio Edit -PG-13 Forum -mimmartin ) in the thread about Iran, I figured this was off topic to Iran. So here we go.

Generally speaking, we know Kim Jong Il is about to keck. Going a bit war whacky, he's beting his chest. Unfortunately, they do supposedly have long range missile capability, if as-yet-untested. He proposes to make fireworks out of Hawaii on our (America's) independence day, Jul. 4th.

I'm kinda 50/50 on this. Bloodthirsty? Maybe. I just think China isn't quite friends wityh the US. But whatever. Point here: Given the explanations on probabilities of N. Korea actually following through by some of you, this may be just as likely an agitation. Not to say we should ignore it--quite the opposite. My contention, somewhat, that the one that'll get us is either
1) that which we do not see coming
2) the nutcase under pressure we just couldn't "talk" out of it.

It is a scary prospect. I say we'll see what goes down. Many think it is merely a blunder, but we all know the possibilities for disaster are there.

Thoughts?

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Old 06-20-2009, 02:27 AM   #2
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/18/korea.gates/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,527020,00.html

Figuring we talked about the sabre rattling going on (or more like EDIT ) in the thread about Iran, I figured this was off topic to Iran. So here we go.

Generally speaking, we know Kim Jong Il is about to keck. Going a bit war whacky, he's beting his chest. Unfortunately, they do supposedly have long range missile capability, if as-yet-untested. He proposes to make fireworks out of Hawaii on our (America's) independence day, Jul. 4th.

I'm kinda 50/50 on this. Bloodthirsty? Maybe. I just think China isn't quite friends wityh the US. But whatever. Point here: Given the explanations on probabilities of N. Korea actually following through by some of you, this may be just as likely an agitation. Not to say we should ignore it--quite the opposite. My contention, somewhat, that the one that'll get us is either
1) that which we do not see coming
2) the nutcase under pressure we just couldn't "talk" out of it.

It is a scary prospect. I say we'll see what goes down. Many think it is merely a blunder, but we all know the possibilities for disaster are there.

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The sad part is that the scenario could end up like this:

1. The nutter of N. Korea sends a bomb to Hawaii. Maybe we intercept, maybe a lot of innocent folks die.

2. We answer back in the form of the Pacific fleet and Trident subs.

3. A lot of innocents in N. Korea die while that SOB is sipping soju in his undisclosed location.

4. China gets ticked off that we kicked their poorly-trained mutt, and decides to cancel on all the loans.

5. US goes bankrupt from 20+ years of Reganomics.


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Old 06-20-2009, 02:54 AM   #3
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This is indeed a scary prospect....something North Korea would definately do right now, at least because we are searching their ships. War may not be too far away...

But I'm thinking that if they launch, our missile defenses will just take the nuke out long before the thing gets close to Hawaii, our tech is that good

But anyways, if they did that, it would inevitably make everyone, and I mean everyone, possibly even the Chinese and the Russians, will jump on N. Korea for their actions. They're not exactly in a winning situation in my opinion.

But the future has yet to come. We'll see.


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Old 06-20-2009, 04:22 AM   #4
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While I do think that China would be peeved if we retaliated against N. Korea...they're not stupid people and would have to realize that it wasn't unprovoked. In those stories...both Russia and China urged them to return to talks...which is important to note b/c it proves that even Korea's "allies" don't want any major problems...

While we owe China a lot of money...our economies are very intertwined and if one fails...they both fail...it's a simple concept...we owe them money...they need us around to owe them money...

The eyes of the world are on N. Korea...but for all of the wrong reasons. I hope it does not come to retaliation...but it would be necessary for the US (and its allies) to do so if it came to it...I think it's time every country takes a good look and realizes that the US has always been there backing them up and never asking anything in return and considering the same...the UN needs to realize it can't be effective without the US's help and that they need to support them.

Something still troubles me...I was under the impression that N. Korea hasn't launched a successful missile yet...especially long-range ones...

Too bad they just don't learn...



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Old 06-20-2009, 04:21 PM   #5
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Something still troubles me...I was under the impression that N. Korea hasn't launched a successful missile yet...especially long-range ones...
This is what I was wondering as well. I seem to recall that most missile tests N Korea has done recently have been failures, with their missiles breaking up before their desired distance.


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Old 06-20-2009, 04:39 PM   #6
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also note that the desired distance you mentioned would fall short of hawaii anyway iirc



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Old 06-20-2009, 04:47 PM   #7
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Never mind, I change what I say earlier. The North Koreans will launch a nuke at Hawaii.

And it won't make it halfway.

If we didn't shoot it out of the sky by then....I feel that North Korea is bluffing in their threat....but then again, we wouldn't want to assume that they are not dangerous. Even if they can't hit American soil, they can take the lives of South Koreans, Japanese, any of their enemies in the Asiatic area.


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Never mind, I change what I say earlier. The North Koreans will launch a nuke at Hawaii.

And it won't make it halfway. If we didn't shoot it out of the sky by then....I feel that North Korea is bluffing in their threat....but then again, we wouldn't want to assume that they are not dangerous. Even if they can't hit American soil, they can take the lives of South Koreans, Japanese, any of their enemies in the Asiatic area.
Assuming those missiles aren't intercepted or failures as well.


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Old 06-20-2009, 05:18 PM   #9
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^True, there is that possibility. But still, America's missiles are known to be more technologically advanced, and probably more reliable then North Korea's pocket nukes. Let's just hope that there won't be a need to use Nuclear weapons. But sadly, it just seems that we're going down the war path, with North Korea shouting threats and tensions rising within the UN, if there is a war, I have a feeling it won't be a quick one. The world is just setting itself up for something really destructive...


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Old 06-20-2009, 05:28 PM   #10
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^That's a given fact. America was the first to master nuclear weapons and it still maintains that...while I'm not necessarily proud of that fact...it is something that N. Korea has to view...

N. Korea is a new contender on the grounds of nuclear warfare...



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Old 06-20-2009, 05:46 PM   #11
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Indeed, N. Korea is very new to the 'Nuclear Club,' so to say. It would be wise for them to break their isolation and try to make allies, so as to prevent a Nuclear War, but Kim Jong Il is undoubtedly a madman, as we see it right now. It has been said many times already that to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a dictator who's mental state hasn't even been confirmed to us yet, is a pretty big crisis, should it come to war.

America has been the only country to use Nukes in war. We only used them twice, the Japanese death toll was catastrophic. The Second World War ended because of that.

Let's hope that we should never have to do that again.


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Old 06-20-2009, 05:47 PM   #12
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Scary...Real Scary. Another thing is that there is a possibility that we go to war with Korea and start another world war maby even resulting in a large world wide nuclear war.


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Old 06-20-2009, 05:57 PM   #13
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Since NK lacks a lot of the neccesary tech to carry out that threat (lack of a delivery system being just one), I'm not terribly worried. As for Kim being a madman...
Tell me, what exactly has he lost by acting the way he does, and then tell me what he has gained. He might be one of the biggest disasters to befal NK, but he certainly isn't insane.

@CommanderQ, nukes don't really need to be "advanced" at all, as long as they can strike close to where you point them. And the only kit needed to awoid missile defence is the ability of nukes to drop decoys (which are very low tech). Missile defence, as far as I know has only been tested on missiles without decoys where they knew exactly where they where going, and even then they often missed.
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Old 06-20-2009, 06:04 PM   #14
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What are they going to do, javelin it at us? And its not going to be a suprise attack so its not like there will be a shortage of missile defenses sitting around the area ready to atomize any decoy or real nuke



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Old 06-20-2009, 06:08 PM   #15
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@Mur'phon, True. With Nukes, it's hard to miss the target....if it can reach the target, that is the key-point here, N. Korea has yet to bring their nuclear weapons up-to-date, there's no garuntee that if they launch, that it won't jsut plop into the middle of the Pacific Ocean long before it's even within range to cause any sort of damage. {Also, concerning the decoys, they are rather low in tech, very correct, missile defenses can still hit their target. Let's just hope they do should worse come to worse}

Perhaps you're right though, this could just be more sabre-rattling, but we shouldn't underestimate how far they are willing to go. Any threat of a nuclear strike should be treated with the utmost care. Even if they lack the necessary tech, we shouldn't assume what will happen. We must be on our gaurd.


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Old 06-20-2009, 07:11 PM   #16
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Personally, for all his talk, I don't thing Kim Jong Il has the intestinal fortitude to directly attack the United States. That would an overt act of war and no one, not even China, would be able to say a word to America when we blew North Korea back to the stone age.


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I'm not saying that the US is invulnerable, but if North Korea plans to launch an ICMB, it would get shot down pretty easily. That is, unless Kim Jong IL gets his hands on Russian missile tech or something equivilant... For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-24


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but we shouldn't underestimate how far they are willing to go.
Willing to go to achieve what? So far Kim has been willing to go very far indeed to to pry things from the rest of the world, but he has yet to do anything AFAIK that is against the rulers's interests.


Missile defence: Nuclear missile goes into space, launches dozens of decoys (simple baloons for instance) as well as a warhead, since this is space, they will move about equally fast, look just about alike, and this is only a single missile. This is just an example of the simplest decoy, and even it is hard to guard against.
Furthermore, would you mind showing any sources that the missile defence actually work? Because all the test I have seen have shown that it's unreliable even against a single missile without decoys, and theese are missile launched by the U.S itself, and as such it didn't exactly come as a surprise.

@Arc: No worries, Russia is even less in favor of spreading nuclear weapons than the US.

@China: China is nice to NK only because it shares a border, should NK collapse, China will get refugee hell, and since nuclear hell is worse, China might well join the bombing if NK launch a nuke.

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I think it's time every country takes a good look and realizes that the US has always been there backing them up and never asking anything in return and considering the same...
Huh? Last I checked the US was like every other country, doing what it thinks is in its own (or its government's) interest. Would be interesting if you could back that up.

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The UN is a collection of countries acting in their own self interest (yes, this includes the US), if the US wants the countries on its side, it'll have to make it in said countries interest to do so. To expect anything else is naive.
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Old 06-20-2009, 09:24 PM   #19
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Willing to go to achieve what? So far Kim has been willing to go very far indeed to to pry things from the rest of the world, but he has yet to do anything AFAIK that is against the rulers's interests.


Missile defence: Nuclear missile goes into space, launches dozens of decoys (simple baloons for instance) as well as a warhead, since this is space, they will move about equally fast, look just about alike, and this is only a single missile. This is just an example of the simplest decoy, and even it is hard to guard against.
Furthermore, would you mind showing any sources that the missile defence actually work? Because all the test I have seen have shown that it's unreliable even against a single missile without decoys, and theese are missile launched by the U.S itself, and as such it didn't exactly come as a surprise.
What are they trying to achieve you ask? We can't possibly know. Kim Jong Il successfully isolated his country, he achieved that. But on his other reasons, I'm not sure anyone has a girm hold on that. Does he just want to make sure the media doesn't forget him? Could he be trying to maintain his hold as Supreme Leader, thus threatening the US and South Korea with nuclear war? Or perhaps reach his friends in the Middle East? Does he just want to wipe out his dreaded enemies? We don't know. His recent Nuclear tests got America's attention, and when the US moved to check all out-going ships and he threatened Nuclear War, he got the UN's attention.

He obviously wants something, other then seeing his face in the news. One doesn't step up nuclear research and not have a good reason for it. We'll all figure out what his true objective is eventually, perhaps very soon. That is a disturbing thought.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=15967

That is one link I found concerning missile defense. There were a few others, but I chose this one. Now I understand that you may not completely believe anything the US says concerning these type of tests, but you asked for a link, and I believe this one may help. 7 out of..I believe 8 tests were successful. This may differ in a real combat situation, but NK's pocket nukes would probably be at about the same difficulty without decoys.

Now, I thought about what you said about decoys, and did a little research on the lower-tech light decoys{which NK would use if they launched a missile}. You were correct that even these light decoys could throw off even the most advanced of missiles. This doesn't render the missile defense unreliable, as I did read on one test that used a single decoy{a very small test} and the dummy missile was destroyed, evading the decoy.

Still, this may be just a matter of luck. It's all up in the air I suppose...{forgive the pun}


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^He's insane and he's actually thinks that nuclear weapons are the best way to bargain...



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If the nuke idea doesn't work, he can also make threats with chemical weapons.


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I agree with murph, Kim most likely isn't insane. I mean the man has successfully stayed in power a long time.

And it's not that hard to figure out why any nation would want nuclear weapons: as a shield. As soon as a nation gets nukes, it essentially becomes immune to land invasions. Especially for a small country like North Korea that has many enemies, and could easily be defeated in a ground war, it's smart for them to develop nukes ASAP.
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If the nuke idea doesn't work, he can also make threats with chemical weapons.
yeah, thats an acceptable substitute. Instead of having the bodies of our Hawaiians decimated, we can have them fall ill to an artificial illness that they made specifically to kill their enemies.

Kim just wants his country to be recognized world wide as a world power, one that can make the US army and the British navy quake in their boots at the mention of their name. I doubt he'll actually be stupid enough to fire it off.

But we'll have to look for places where Kim can get a good seat of the fireworks if he actually does fire them off. He'll want to savor the moment.
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I agree with murph, Kim most likely isn't insane. I mean the man has successfully stayed in power a long time.
Well, I imagine he uses the famous Communist tactic of killing off or sending any opposition to the Labor Camps. Can't really have much competition if everyone against you is either dead or broken. I mean, that's the way Stalin handled his problems, he was in power for awhile. Then there would be the way Kim Jong Il practically brainwashes his people. Constant rallies, indoctrination, reeducation, oh, and everyone wakes up to the Glorious sound of marching music. That could help his rule a bit...


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I agree with murph, Kim most likely isn't insane. I mean the man has successfully stayed in power a long time.
While I don't mean to be contradictory...but don't you think that Hitler was insane? And while Kim Jong Il isn't following some crazy plan to destroy a race (that we know of), he has followed many of the same patterns that we've seen in Hitler, Saddam, Idi Amin, etc. by failing to understand - after several years of sanctions and international shunning - how the world really works...
You'd have to be crazy or just so caught up on your own pride to continue what he has done...



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Interjection: Kim Jong Il's mental state...I can't say since I am no psych expert. But to my experience, instability is what to watch for sane or not.

If he's backed into a corner he may lash out like a ferocious animal. However, that is not the case.

Also there is a difference between crazy and insane. One still has conscious awareness, the other does not and cannot (rationally anyway) connect consequence to its actions.
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As to craziness, there is smart and stupid. I think it involves taking risks and weight of outcomes plus certain measures of delicacy either way.

Still, I cannot speak as to KJI's stability or rationality.

Supposing NK actually got the delivery capabilities, where would they have gotten it? From whom? While I'm not sure that is the case...mmm, best be safe than sorry I suppose.

@ mimartin: ehh, for lack of better term let's endeavor to say fluff'dup like a turkey--deal?


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Also there is a difference between crazy and insane. One still has conscious awareness, the other does not and cannot (rationally anyway) connect consequence to its actions.
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Neither 'crazy' nor 'insane' are the appropriate medical terms. If one is psychotic, they don't process reality the same, whether they're conscious of it or not. We don't give psychotics knives, guns, or assorted other tools that can be used on themselves or others, because they're not going to use those things in a rational manner, and they represent an extreme danger to themselves and anyone in contact with them. We should be likewise very concerned about any WMDs in the hands of someone who is psychotic.

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As to craziness, there is smart and stupid. I think it involves taking risks and weight of outcomes plus certain measures of delicacy either way.
I'm not sure what your driving at with your point here. I'm not a mental health expert, so I can't definitively diagnose Jong Il, but his behavior is certainly indicative of someone whose sanity is in question. A lot of psychotics are extremely smart, but they still do dumb things because the disease doesn't allow them to process information correctly.

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@ mimartin: ehh, for lack of better term let's endeavor to say fluff'dup like a turkey--deal?
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Old 06-21-2009, 08:45 PM   #28
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..... I can't definitively diagnose Jong Il, but his behavior is certainly indicative of someone whose sanity is in question. A lot of psychotics are extremely smart, but they still do dumb things because the disease doesn't allow them to process information correctly.
But is he? He's learned as far back as the 90s that he can manipulate the US and gloabal "community" to gain concessions. His father held an American naval crew for ~13 months...an arguable act of war...back in the 60s. The one thing many of these tyrants learn is how far they can push the envelope before anyone responds. I think "crazy like a fox" is probably the term of choice here. He knows that the PRC is a kind of trump card, so as long as they don't come down on him, he has a pretty free hand to cause trouble.


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Old 06-21-2009, 10:35 PM   #29
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This reminds me of a term from the movie "Speed."

"Remember, he's crazy, not stupid..."


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^I think that sums up what I'm saying...

Edit: Forgot to say it - excellent post Commander.



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Old 06-22-2009, 02:02 AM   #31
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"Remember, he's crazy, not stupid..."
I couldn't have predicted at any time in the past that one day I'll agree 100% with a line from that movie, but there you have it.


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Old 06-22-2009, 02:28 AM   #32
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Neither 'crazy' nor 'insane' are the appropriate medical terms. If one is psychotic, they don't process reality the same, whether they're conscious of it or not. We don't give psychotics knives, guns, or assorted other tools that can be used on themselves or others, because they're not going to use those things in a rational manner, and they represent an extreme danger to themselves and anyone in contact with them. We should be likewise very concerned about any WMDs in the hands of someone who is psychotic.
No argument there.

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I'm not sure what your driving at with your point here.
Generally smart crazy vs stupid crazy: neither are rational (granted), but smarter ones takes survey of things if rather intensely, stupid ones are simply noisemakers.

Recognizing risk taking and recognizing outcomes/consequences ultimately stemming from actions taken. Relative mental disquiet within the individual. He has shown penchant for behaving the way he has in past to get what he wants. Perhaps it's a power trip. He's crazy, but a smart crazy. Still smart enough to recognize he'll end up badly if he "goes there". It is a question of how willing he is to just do it. Not as likely if there is insurmountable evidence he'd be crushed like a bug under a heel. Which there is.

So while he is war-whacky, I guess I'm on about this because it would seem like another manipulation. Maybe not the most stellar or effective, but manipulaiton nonetheless. He still seems to recognize outcome. I see more manipulation than likelihood. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. Until then: "We'll see".

However, if it makes you feel any better, I'd say this is hardly reason to take it easy. You're a martial artist, so you know obliviousness and letting down your guard is the most foolish thing you can do even when you believe they won't act.

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I'm not a mental health expert, so I can't definitively diagnose Jong Il, but his behavior is certainly indicative of someone whose sanity is in question. A lot of psychotics are extremely smart, but they still do dumb things because the disease doesn't allow them to process information correctly.
I'm basically in agreement with you on this. Where I beg to differ is the degree to which it is the case here with KJI. To me it appears he's rattling his cage to get what he wants. He still processes that much. He's trying to make you afraid of him that way to get what he wants.

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But is he? He's learned as far back as the 90s that he can manipulate the US and gloabal "community" to gain concessions. His father held an American naval crew for ~13 months...an arguable act of war...back in the 60s. The one thing many of these tyrants learn is how far they can push the envelope before anyone responds.
That's the criminal mindset. Once they learn,
1) you are afraid, they will keep picking at you and pushing the envelope.
2) that you are not afraid of them, they rethink it. Probably will try again, but if they feel every time they do that they will come off the worse for it if they follow through...well, they don't act.

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I think "crazy like a fox" is probably the term of choice here. He knows that the PRC is a kind of trump card, so as long as they don't come down on him, he has a pretty free hand to cause trouble.
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@CQ: Kims motives: 1: getting a nuke makes him immunity: invasions. 2:grabing resources, cash or whatever carrot is offered. 3:setting the stage for Kim V 3.0. 4: the positive effect on his popularity by showing the world the middle finger.
That's 4 just from the top of my head.

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That is one link I found concerning missile defense. There were a few others, but I chose this one. Now I understand that you may not completely believe anything the US says concerning these type of tests, but you asked for a link, and I believe this one may help. 7 out of..I believe 8 tests were successful. This may differ in a real combat situation, but NK's pocket nukes would probably be at about the same difficulty without decoys.
Since I doubt anyone else have much info from th tests... I'll take what I can get. One difference from NK's nukes is that if one of those is launched, it'll be out of the blue, not in a test where everyone is prepared and know where it'll land. Also, I still dislike that they insist on destroying on impact, sure, it looks better but it's like tying one hand behind your back. And of course it's the issue of the tests (afaik) being against single missiles without decoys.

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This doesn't render the missile defense unreliable, as I did read on one test that used a single decoy{a very small test} and the dummy missile was destroyed, evading the decoy.
Problem is, baloons don't exactly take up much space, or weight much, so it'll be much more than one decoy pr missile.
Not that this matter much, NK don't have ICBM's

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^He's insane and he's actually thinks that nuclear weapons are the best way to bargain...
Insane: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. With NK so far having bargained successfully using nukes, I'd say he expects the same result.

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While I don't mean to be contradictory...but don't you think that Hitler was insane?
Without a definition of "insane" I find it hard to answer this.

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And while Kim Jong Il isn't following some crazy plan to destroy a race (that we know of), he has followed many of the same patterns that we've seen in Hitler, Saddam, Idi Amin, etc. by failing to understand - after several years of sanctions and international shunning - how the world really works...
If he doesen't know how the world "really works", then why have he been constantly benefitting from his "tantrums"? I'd say if he don't know how the world works, then we better fire just about every guy who have dealt with him.
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I'm with mur'phon on the notion that shooting down a ballistic missile, or, more importantly, the warhead(s), is no mean feat. It would be far more preferable (and make a lot more sense) to shoot it down during the ascent and coast stages of its flight when it's all in one piece, than to try to shoot down it's warheads (and decoys) after they've deployed.

I think that all of this confidence in the present missile defense system is completely unfounded.


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I think that all of this confidence in the present missile defense system is completely unfounded.
I could not agree more with anything written on this forum.


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While I agree that there's no definite way you can stop a missile...I do believe that the US has the best ability out of any country in the world to fend off an attack...just my honest opinion.



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The Patriot missile has proven effective in combat at intercepting missiles and I imagine that is what would most likely be employed by the US in Hawaii.

Some US Navy ships also carry the Rolling Airframe Missile and the Sea Sparrow missile both of which are anti-missile defense as well as the CIWS(close in weapon system) which is a high velocity mini-gun used for close in missile defense.


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^Yeah. While the Patriot missile has been criticized in the recent decade, I still believe that it is the most advanced missile defense system on the planet...



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^^I agree. The Patriot Missile must be one of the best out there. But still, we can't entirely rely on it to solve our problems in a nuclear crisis, almost anything can happen at this point. Our country needs to be prepared in more then just defence, speak softly and carry a big stick. Perhaps we can reach an agreement, but I doubt that, as Kim Jong Il doesn't look like the negotiating type...


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Patriot was designed more than 25 years ago to intercept aircraft and SRBMs traveling at little more than mach 3 at the most. It was not, repeat, not designed to intercept MIRVs reentering the atmosphere at mach 8.

Big, big difference, folks.


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