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Old 07-02-2009, 04:37 PM   #1
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Old 07-02-2009, 04:56 PM   #2
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I don't know whether the man should be charged, but I would imagine Animal Control would like to know exactly how a man with no license (and evidently little experience of caring for a python) can obtain such a dangerous animal.

Very tragic, but a lesson to everyone out there thinking of buying a snake - don't, unless you can look after and house it properly.






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Old 07-02-2009, 05:28 PM   #3
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Aw man, now that's tragic...shouldn't this be in Kavar's? This is actually a pretty serious topic...<shrugs>

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I don't know whether the man should be charged, but I would imagine Animal Control would like to know exactly how a man with no license (and evidently little experience of caring for a python) can obtain such a dangerous animal.
The one I run into most commonly is Red-tail Boa as a pet.

From my experience, these animals do breed and it may be owners of "breeding parents" looking to make some $$$ off of the offspring. At least that's the most common way it happens that I'm aware of. Yes there are restrictions against it, but to be honest, we don't usually have disasters like this, and most animal cops look the other way. Or if you can convince them you are responsible, they let you keep it.

Push come to shove, there is possibly the hand of underground trading or black market involved in the sale.

In any case: Even cheap, decent snakes can fetch a good $150 at least--I've seen it range in the $450 or more range. Highest I've heard of was $1,755.00 for one snake! Depends on the type but usually it's python or constrictor types. Rat breeding, you tend to learn more about this stuff than you would want to.

Snakes usually raised by hand from babies can be pretty tame and sweet. However, yes that is a concern for couples who are expecting, and should always be. These are dangerous animals and they still retain enough wild in them to attack people. Also I knew the proud owners of a albino python of some kind that got to be about 22 feet long. Best and most responsible snake owners I ever knew. When the Mrs. finally got pregnant with her first child, that huge snake was gone. Taken, gladly, by the zoo.

(Personally I don't think I'd want a snake 22 feet long! --Just as soon raise a grizzly bear!)

Make sure its enclosure is adequate to keep it from escaping and supervise it when it is outside its cage at all times! Make sure also that you wash your hands and other exposed body parts before and after handling the snake. Also, large snakes do not mix well with other pets. Particularly smaller to medium animals. Typical domesticated animals.

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Old 07-02-2009, 05:34 PM   #4
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Aw man, now that's tragic...shouldn't this be in Kavar's? This is actually a pretty serious topic...<shrugs>
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Wait, do you need a license to own a python? From what I understand, I could go down to my local reptile shop and buy one right now. It would be expensive, but I believe I can buy one. Or is it a requirement for his state?

If so, then he's probably in trouble. This could most likely be a freak accident, or a form of child neglect, but the fact he didn't have a license may turn this into second-degree murder.
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Yeah, that Jae has gotten really insufferable.

A hard lesson to learn about responsibility. He'll be a mess (understandably) for a long time. Tragic end for the little girl.


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Hmmm...they didn't follow the unwritten law that you should never keep a pet that can kill you. Really unfortunate, a hard lesson indeed for the parents


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^^True, dogs and cats could definately kill you, but that can be avoided if they're tamed, it's not in their nature to be human killers, though at one point they probably did. There is always a risk that your pet can kill you, just some animals are more likely to.

Just think about if you had a pet Grizzly Bear...


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Old 07-02-2009, 09:14 PM   #11
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Chances of an 8 foot python killing you is slim.

Chance that any pet bigger than a 2 year old can kill a two year old... fairly high.

Does remind me of the exotic pet shop down the road. They have a few cages with bugs with sharpie on the cage saying in bold letters "THIS PET CAN AND PROBABLY WILL KILL YOU IN ONE STING" with the price tag below it.
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Old 07-02-2009, 09:14 PM   #12
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^^True, dogs and cats could definately kill you, but that can be avoided if they're tamed, it's not in their nature to be human killers
Tell that to all the people who've been killed or mutilated by a "tamed" dog.

Not smart, keeping a deadly snake when you've got a little kid. Tragic, indeed.


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Old 07-02-2009, 09:17 PM   #13
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^^Militiades, if you read the sentence following that, you will find that I didn't say 'a dog or cat won't kill you.' A very large amount of the pets out there can kill you one way or another.


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Old 07-02-2009, 10:31 PM   #14
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Yeah, that Jae has gotten really insufferable.
I'm not from Texas.

This is very sad, and could have been prevented if the guy had kept the cage locked.


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That's just horrible.

Those people are most likely going to jail for a while.


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Old 07-03-2009, 05:56 AM   #16
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Man, thats sad news.

I got a snake: a Elaphe guttata guttata aka Corn Snake.
Its a North American species, its quite popular because its a good
starter snake.

Its not aggresive, rather tame for its owner and it doesn't become a 6 meter 90kg stretch of powerfull muscles. Something around 1.70 max for the corn snake and I keep it locked. For its own safety and that of the neighbourhood.

Keeping a python that size is just asking for troubles, the beast could break your arm by accident. Alas its done something far worse....

In belgium the laws about such pets are differant from town to town. In some you need to pay taxes to keep pets that are qualified under tropical and such.

And most of the times its forbidden to keep the venomous breeds.
Its a shame to see snakes put in bad daylight again.


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Old 07-03-2009, 05:18 PM   #17
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Its a shame to see snakes put in bad daylight again.
In my opinion this incident does not put snakes in a bad light. The snake only followed its natural instincts. I can hardly blame the snake for that.

To me, the only puts the child’s parent and the mother’s boyfriend in a bad light. I just wish human instinct to protect our young was as strong as the snake’s instinct to eat.


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Old 07-03-2009, 05:20 PM   #18
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Keeping snakes as pets is pretty stupid if you ask me. Its like keeping crocs and then wondering why you wake up with half a leg gone. >.>

Not saying its not tragic or anything, but the guy was kinda asking for it keeping a deadly critter in a house with a baby.
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Keeping snakes as pets is pretty stupid if you ask me. Its like keeping crocs and then wondering why you wake up with half a leg gone. >.>

Not saying its not tragic or anything, but the guy was kinda asking for it keeping a deadly critter in a house with a baby.
What I got from the clip was that the men put not in a suitable terrarium.

Just an aqaurium in a plasticbag... no thats just not the place to put a snake.
Snakes are reall escape specialist.

Its the same for all kinds of pets, you need to be prepared and well equiped to keep them. The first I did before having a snake was to read what it needed and what all was involved to give the beasty a comfertable home.

Though with reptiles it couldn't hurt to put restrictions on what you can keep and what not. Alas you'll always have people who just jump in without a thought what they're doing.


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Snakes are pretty crafty, I remember hearing something about one convincing some chick to eat a fruit.
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It may end up there, but I discuss this with a moderator and he told me to put it here for now. I listen and follow the wonderful staff's suggestions out of fear of being banned.

Plus I don’t like that Kavar moderator from Texas.
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Hardly a law, ever heard of dogs?
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Just think about if you had a pet Grizzly Bear...
Yeah, that big furry vicious half ton smelly beast with razor blade claws. Not that I condone any of it in the first place but I'd think you'd need some kind of gun with a big bang making an awful big hole and an even bigger mess...no thanks, I'll pass.
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Wait, do you need a license to own a python? From what I understand, I could go down to my local reptile shop and buy one right now. It would be expensive, but I believe I can buy one. Or is it a requirement for his state?

If so, then he's probably in trouble. This could most likely be a freak accident, or a form of child neglect, but the fact he didn't have a license may turn this into second-degree murder.
I'm not sure either, but I believe you are correct in a general sense (for CA, and possibly NV anyway) that you don't really need a license. (Could be wrong.) Only need proof you can take care of it--for its sake *and* yours. I would guess if you are incorrect, that the standards are something on the order of per species;per region. In which case you'd probably need to find a copy of laws, and the statistics for these kinds of incidents with exotic animals.
It will be interesting to see how it is and, yes, if this culminates in murder charges or at least manslaughter. I think probably the latter and the owner will face some time behind bars, while the mother...not so sure. She might try some sob story--which I would not buy were I ruling in

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Chances of an 8 foot python killing you is slim.

Chance that any pet bigger than a 2 year old can kill a two year old... fairly high.
Or so common sense would otherwise indicate. I guess.
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Does remind me of the exotic pet shop down the road. They have a few cages with bugs with sharpie on the cage saying in bold letters "THIS PET CAN AND PROBABLY WILL KILL YOU IN ONE STING" with the price tag below it.
Uhh, scorpions? Tarantulas?
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In my opinion this incident does not put snakes in a bad light. The snake only followed its natural instincts. I can hardly blame the snake for that.

To me, the only puts the child’s parent and the mother’s boyfriend in a bad light. I just wish human instinct to protect our young was as strong as the snake’s instinct to eat.
If not exceeded it. I do agree, the mother and the pet owner boyfriend is more to blame here. I'd take bets, though, that because it has killed a human (albeit a very little one) that the order is brought down to have it killed for reasons of public safety. Sad thing, too.

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Snakes are pretty crafty, I remember hearing something about one convincing some chick to eat a fruit.
Oh yeah. *That* one. Wonder if the snake convinced her to do anything else.
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Uhh, scorpions? Tarantulas?
Small scorpions mostly, but some deadly spiders as well. Tarantula bites are a pain, but they aren't deadly unless you are allergic.

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If not exceeded it. I do agree, the mother and the pet owner boyfriend is more to blame here. I'd take bets, though, that because it has killed a human (albeit a very little one) that the order is brought down to have it killed for reasons of public safety. Sad thing, too.
Considering he stabbed the hell out of it, chances are it is dead by now anyway.

But yeah, fault on them for not properly sealing the tank. Can't exactly blame something as simple as a snake for doing what it is programmed.

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yeah you cant blame the snake but man are you stupid if you dont seal the tank with a child in the house


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yeah you cant blame the snake but man are you stupid if you dont seal the tank with a child in the house
Or with anyone in the house, for that matter. A snake, even a constrictor, doensn't have to be massive to kill a full-grown human.


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Or with anyone in the house, for that matter. A snake, even a constrictor, doensn't have to be massive to kill a full-grown human.
True, but snakes aren't insane viscious killer beasts out for blood.

The legend that Pythons or big constrictors eat humans and hunt them down is.. well a mythe.

Yes they can eat big things, like hogs and deer.
And yes they love to escape, though the escaping isn't linked to being hungry.

Perhaps they should've have fed it properly; when snakes got their meal, the only thing they do is relax and take a nap for a couple of days.


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True, but snakes aren't insane viscious killer beasts out for blood.

The legend that Pythons or big constrictors eat humans and hunt them down is.. well a mythe.

Yes they can eat big things, like hogs and deer.
And yes they love to escape, though the escaping isn't linked to being hungry.

Perhaps they should've have fed it properly; when snakes got their meal, the only thing they do is relax and take a nap for a couple of days.
I know it's a myth--still, bad idea, period.


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It is not an easy for a snake to kill a full grown human. 8 Feet would have to be the minimum size, and that would have to be around your neck. They are incredibly strong animals, but it isn't exactly hard for an animal as versatile as a human to get it off.

Pythons will kill humans rarely, but those that do are upwards of 10 to 20 feet in length and are usually the larger constrictors. Ball Pythons and other more pet friendly snakes get 6-8 feet max and make great pets...

If you feed them correctly, house them correctly, and make sure to keep them away from things they -can- kill which, in this case, obviously did not happen.
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I know it's a myth--still, bad idea, period.
You tell me know.

After I got my snake for almost 2 years.


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Or with anyone in the house, for that matter. A snake, even a constrictor, doensn't have to be massive to kill a full-grown human.
you are right of course but if you feel you must have one make sure it is only the people that are willing to live with the risk


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you are right of course but if you feel you must have one make sure it is only the people that are willing to live with the risk
The risk, so i'm told is fairly minimal - according to a figure I saw in a paper yesterday, only about 20 people have been killed in this manner in around 30 years.

Don't quote on me on that though, as it's very possible that the paper may be wrong on that.






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