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Old 07-07-2009, 08:22 AM   #1
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New Last Crusade version!

Calling ATM... Calling ATM... Come in ATM...

As a massive fan of Last Crusade I'm especially happy that there's a new "bug fixed" version coming. But what bug-fixes could there be? I remember ATM's page pointing out that certain characters (like the butler at Brunwald Castle) had their "EGA" clothes on in the VGA version... Could this be what they mean?

Also, what's the Tandy sound going to be like? As I've said before the FM Towns music, although technically higher quality, missed out on many tracks, so wasn't perfect.

Excited! I hope it's not much more than $4.99 though! This IS an extremely old again and even I wouldn't want to pay a lot more for it.

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Old 07-07-2009, 08:38 AM   #2
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It seems to be a final polish and fix of the game, ensuring all in-game elements are VGA and that sound reproduction is faithful to the original.

What bothers me is that they're using Tandy sound for the game, and not the CD soundtrack, but I gather that the updated audio wasn't comprehensive.
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Old 07-07-2009, 08:45 AM   #3
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Is Tandy sound any good? What IS Tandy sound??

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Old 07-07-2009, 08:49 AM   #4
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Tandy used a 3 voice sound generator. To me it doesn't sound much better than a PC speaker. I hope they've included the adlib soundtrack as well.
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Old 07-07-2009, 09:14 AM   #5
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Hmm, that doesn't seem particularly encouraging, I assume the usual Adlib and Windows MIDI options will be available.
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Old 07-07-2009, 09:40 AM   #6
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Nah, they can't be bigging up the Tandy sounds if it isn't much better than a PC Speaker... must be something different about it.

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Old 07-07-2009, 10:26 AM   #7
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Maybe there are unique digital sounds that weren't in the original Tandy soundtrack? (since Tandy can produce digital sound)


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Old 07-07-2009, 10:31 AM   #8
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It seems to be a final polish and fix of the game, ensuring all in-game elements are VGA and that sound reproduction is faithful to the original.
Where did you see that?
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Old 07-07-2009, 10:36 AM   #9
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If it was faithful to the original why didn't they say Adlib sound? I don't get it.


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Old 07-07-2009, 10:47 AM   #10
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I think that's because he made that stuff up... Or maybe they mean "faithful in intent"? Basically I hope we can assume that the sound quality will be better than the VGA version (because the music itself was very good).

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Old 07-07-2009, 11:55 AM   #11
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I'll post from my comments to the news post to here (edited and whatnot):

What CD-ROM re-release from 1992 are they talking about? The only DOS re-release was the white label release which was identical to the floppy release. The full article says "...version of The Last Crusade isn't the CD-ROM version that was released in 1992." The FM-Towns version was released in 1990, so it can't be that one. And, it was made for Adlib, which confused me as well. That version mentioned in the adventurer would make sense. I've never seen that version around though.

In conclusion and IMHO, it's either a) that mystical CD version mentioned in the Adventurer or b) something made up.


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Old 07-07-2009, 12:00 PM   #12
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That's probably where "unreleased" comes into play. This is likely a port that was fully developed back in the early 90s but canceled before release. There are a couple of examples of this documented somewhere.
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Old 07-07-2009, 12:10 PM   #13
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Wow, really? That's even awesome-er!

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Old 07-07-2009, 12:41 PM   #14
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Man, if that's true, that will be so great!
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Old 07-07-2009, 01:20 PM   #15
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Also, what's the Tandy sound going to be like? As I've said before the FM Towns music, although technically higher quality, missed out on many tracks, so wasn't perfect.
Yes the track when you go to Venice isnīt complete and Venice has no music.
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Excited! I hope it's not much more than $4.99 though! This IS an extremely old again and even I wouldn't want to pay a lot more for it.
Iīd pay more!!!
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Old 07-07-2009, 01:31 PM   #16
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Iīd pay more!!!
Shhhh! Don't tell them that!

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Old 07-07-2009, 01:36 PM   #17
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What' wrong with encouraging further re-releases and possibly new game development in the classic adventure genre?


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Old 07-07-2009, 01:40 PM   #18
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Yeah, because that's obviously what I'm secretly fighting for... Down with adventure games!!!

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Old 07-07-2009, 01:42 PM   #19
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Hey now, I'm not accusing you of anything of the sort!


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Old 07-07-2009, 03:46 PM   #20
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Hey, don't fight... that's just what they want!

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Old 07-07-2009, 04:09 PM   #21
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It's this lack of Monkey Island... it's driving me crazy! I can't start my evening until it arrives!!! I know as soon as I walk away it will be online... arghhh..

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Old 07-08-2009, 04:05 PM   #22
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Did anyone pick this up to compare, so that I know whether I want it over the FM-Towns version or not?
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Old 07-08-2009, 04:36 PM   #23
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The Steam version of LC is basically the same as the PC VGA version, but with one (!) typo fixed (which is also apparently fixed in the FM Towns version.)

Also you have the option to use a graphic smoothing filter and aspect ratio correction (both are enabled by default but can be turned off), like the Entertainment Pack releases in Europe a few years back.


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Old 07-08-2009, 05:04 PM   #24
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Haha, one typo?! Wow...

So was the Tandy 1000 sound incorrect?
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:09 PM   #25
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Also not FM-Towns like.
Please give me short direct infos about that.
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:58 PM   #26
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The Steam LC appears to emulate AdLib sound so it sounds like the old PC VGA version.

The FM Towns version of course has multiple CD music tracks taken from the film soundtrack recording sessions.


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The FM Towns version of course has multiple CD music tracks taken from the film soundtrack recording sessions.
Yes, I know that.

@Steam version
So, no really better version. I mustnīt download it then.
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What was the 'Tandy 1000 sounds' bit all about then?


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Old 07-08-2009, 07:24 PM   #29
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Are the Steam releases encrypted, or can they be used with ScummVM too?
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The FM Towns version of course has multiple CD music tracks taken from the film soundtrack recording sessions.
Actually, no, they aren't from the movie soundtrack. I don't remember exactly to whom I talked about this, but it was someone who was in charge of the FM-Towns music. Anyway, he told me that those tracks were actually a re-recording done for some Disney thing... an attraction... a CD... I really don't remember. I doubt that I still have that e-mail, but I'll check. But if you'll compare the movie soundtrack to the FM-Towns tracks, you'll notice they are different.

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Old 07-09-2009, 06:42 AM   #31
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Actually, no, they aren't from the movie soundtrack. I don't remember exactly to whom I talked about this, but it was someone who was in charge of the FM-Towns music. Anyway, he told me that those tracks were actually a re-recording done for some Disney thing... an attraction... a CD... I really don't remember. I doubt that I still have that e-mail, but I'll check. But if you'll compare the movie soundtrack to the FM-Towns tracks, you'll notice they are different.
I recall reading about this umpteen-billion years ago on another forum... I believe the adapted soundtrack material was from the Indy stunt show they had at Disneyworld.

So there's that!
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:42 AM   #32
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The Steam version of LC is basically the same as the PC VGA version, but with one (!) typo fixed (which is also apparently fixed in the FM Towns version.)

Also you have the option to use a graphic smoothing filter and aspect ratio correction (both are enabled by default but can be turned off), like the Entertainment Pack releases in Europe a few years back.
ONE TYPO!?!

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LucasArts tells us that the version of The Last Crusade that will be put on Steam is a "previously unreleased version" with "even more bugfixes" than the original CD-ROM re-release, along with a "Tandy 1000 sound engine."
ONE TYPO?!

Are you sure that's the ONLY change, ATM? What about the butler's EGA costume? How disappointing Ah, well.

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Old 07-09-2009, 10:08 AM   #33
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This is steam we're talking about though, LucasArts can always decide to upgrade it some more if stuff is broken.

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Old 07-09-2009, 11:08 AM   #34
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Yeah, but they're not going to are they?

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The Steam LC appears to emulate AdLib sound so it sounds like the old PC VGA version.
are you sure, though? I used to have a pc with Adlib back in the day and Steam's LC sounds so much worse than I remember!
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are you sure, though? I used to have a pc with Adlib back in the day and Steam's LC sounds so much worse than I remember!
Really? That's disappointing to hear

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Well, that sure was a failed endeavor.

Guess I won't be getting this "new" and "improved" version of the Last Crusade, afterall.
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Old 07-09-2009, 01:55 PM   #38
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I figured this was the best place to post this since the Indy board seems dead.

I'm stuck in the catacombs in the musical Skull room. I guess I'm not musically inclined AT ALL because I've been stuck for hours even though I've looked at hints and watched a walkthrough on youtube. I posted a link of the picture from my Grail Diary. Can anyone help me?

http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/t...icalSkulls.jpg

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There's six skulls and six music bar thingys available right?

It's been a while, but assuming I remember there being six skulls, you just find the one with the high note and do it as you would a math problem. One skull on one end being the highest note, the other far end being the lowest note.

Enjoy the catacombs, because the game sort of goes downhill from there. I like parts of the nazi castle, but after that it's mostly a bunch of mazes and fist fights until you make it to the grail.
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I figured this was the best place to post this since the Indy board seems dead.

I'm stuck in the catacombs in the musical Skull room. I guess I'm not musically inclined AT ALL because I've been stuck for hours even though I've looked at hints and watched a walkthrough on youtube. I posted a link of the picture from my Grail Diary. Can anyone help me?

http://s601.photobucket.com/albums/t...icalSkulls.jpg

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