has there ever been a designer in the history of gaming that has promised so much, yet continuously delivered so little as molyneux?
almost every single game he designs he hypes as this great revolutionary leap in gaming, and then he keeps churning out these run of the mill titles. black and white probably the worst offender. promised all this revolutionary AI in a game that would "revolutionise gaming and create a genre unto itself". what we got was a basic god sim clone with horrendous AI that was absolutely bug ridden on release.
the original fable just as bad. would revolutionise rpg gaming blah blah blah. safe to say it didn't. very average game that added nothing new to the genre.
the movies another example. all new, all different blah blah blah... a poor "the sims" knock-off set in a movie studio environment.
you have to go back 20 years to the release of populous for the last time he did something truly innovative that actually lived up to the hype.
has there ever been a designer in the history of gaming that has promised so much, yet continuously delivered so little as molyneux?
almost every single game he designs he hypes as this great revolutionary leap in gaming, and then he keeps churning out these run of the mill titles. black and white probably the worst offender. promised all this revolutionary AI in a game that would "revolutionise gaming and create a genre unto itself". what we got was a basic god sim clone with horrendous AI that was absolutely bug ridden on release.
the original fable just as bad. would revolutionise rpg gaming blah blah blah. safe to say it didn't. very average game that added nothing new to the genre.
the movies another example. all new, all different blah blah blah... a poor "the sims" knock-off set in a movie studio environment.
you have to go back 20 years to the release of populous for the last time he did something truly innovative that actually lived up to the hype.
the original fable just as bad. would revolutionise rpg gaming blah blah blah. safe to say it didn't. very average game that added nothing new to the genre.
While on the whole I enjoyed both Fables, I did feel like it was somehow empty, considering how much had been promised in both games.
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the movies another example. all new, all different blah blah blah... a poor "the sims" knock-off set in a movie studio environment.
The Movies was more of a Tycoon game with elements of The Sims. I liked it, but it failed at its main purpose (as a movie making program) because it was just too limited in its options.
For all his faults, I hope that Fable III might at least deliver on some of the revolutionary promises that are being made this time around.
Actually i think fable 2 delivered (almost) all the promises, and more importantly than arguing over it being not the messiah game some might have hoped for it was a really fun game to play, and definetely worth 60 euros.
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Actually i think fable 2 delivered (almost) all the promises, and more importantly than arguing over it being not the messiah game some might have hoped for it was a really fun game to play, and definetely worth 60 euros.
has there ever been a designer in the history of gaming that has promised so much, yet continuously delivered so little as molyneux?
almost every single game he designs he hypes as this great revolutionary leap in gaming, and then he keeps churning out these run of the mill titles. black and white probably the worst offender. promised all this revolutionary AI in a game that would "revolutionise gaming and create a genre unto itself". what we got was a basic god sim clone with horrendous AI that was absolutely bug ridden on release.
Dude, it's game developing.
All Game Developers claim the game they make to be a rise to greatness in gaming.
In my opinion the revolutionary games are as follows:
Pong
I, Robot,
Maze War
Dragon Warrior/Adventure
Zombie Zombie
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back
And of course (Have to say it so you guys won't bite my toes off)
KotOR I.
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New Features:
Peter Molyneux has confirmed that the game will have many new features, including:
* Episodes: There will be 2 episodes featured in the game. The first is to campaign to remove the king from the throne. The second is ruling Albion after you receive the crown.
* Judgements: As ruler of Albion, you will be able to determine if and how to respond to the requests of your citizens, such as punishing criminals.
* Touch: The simple expression system has greatly evolved. Now, "You can shake someone's hand, and then that might turn into a hug. You can then turn that into an embrace, and then into a full-on snog."
*There will be much more far reaching consequences for your actions than in the past two games due to at least part of the game taking place with the character as a monarch.
* Peter Molyneux has stated that it won't just be Albion, but has yet to give more information. Clues from the end of Fable II lead to Reaver and Garth in Samarkand. In the quest The Vision from the DLC See the Future, Theresa clearly states that the unborn child will change the fate of Albion and Aurora. Aurora has since been revealed to be an entirely new setting in Fable III.
* The previous saves from Fable II will be featured in Fable III. This means choices of your old hero will affect your new hero in Fable III. Choices from the two DLCs, Knothole Island and See the Future, will also correlate.
* Co-op impregnation will be possible
At Microsoft's X10 event in San Francisco, Molyneux announced some more new features:
* Weapon Morphing: Depending on your alignment and the way you use the weapons, they will change accordingly. You can then trade your weapon online.
* Dog: Man's best friend will return in the new release and is less well behaved. Your furry companion will now chase rabbits and can also follow scents. In the limited edition it was anounced that there will be a new dog breed; the Boxer.
* RPG Elements: The health bar, experience orbs/XP points and the HUD in general are to be scrapped.
* Aurora: GameSpot report that Aurora is to be a new continent.
* Project Natal: "[Molyneux] stated that Fable III is being designed for the regular Xbox 360 controller first and foremost, but that some Natal surprises are coming."
* Extreme Morphing: An expression that allows the Hero to show their "true character" by sprouting a pair of wings (and horns, if they are evil.) The wings will match the Hero's alignment - if good, they are white and pristine, but if evil, they are darker.
* Example of (good) morality wings, for extreme morphing
Also, wing size is based on the amount of followers your character has. If you have few followers, wing size is small and if you have many followers, wing size is large.
* Fable III will have an improved camera for co-op.
* The ability to use your custom character and dog for co-op.
* Followers: Peter Moleneux has said on varius occasions that there will be a system where players may amass "followers". These followers are used to determine experience, among other things. It has been stated that marriage and doing well in combat will give you followers.
At the Game Developer's Conference, Molyneux' focus was on Fable III's new GUI:
* Interactive Pause Menu: When you pause the game your character will appear in the "Guild Chambers", a collection of rooms from which you can do everything you could normally do in the traditional menu.
* Map Room: The Chambers will feature a fully interactive map of Albion and Aurora which can be zoomed in on, allowing for manipulation of troops and tactical strategising for battles.
* Wardrobe: A room in the Chambers containing all your clothes, some on display mannequins.
* Armoury: A chamber containing all your weapons.
* Treasury: Instead of a number telling you how much gold you have, you will be able to enter this room to see, and pick up, your gold reserves.
* Butler: You will have your own butler, named Jasper, in the Guild Chambers. He will make clothing and weaponry recommendations based on your current situation, and will be voiced by John Cleese.
Limited Collector's Edition
Limited Collector’s Edition Includes Unique Memorabilia and Unlocks Additional In-Game Action
Lead a rebellion, start a revolution, and rule a kingdom in “Fable III”. Microsoft Game Studios and Lionhead Studios present the thrilling new chapter in the “Fable” franchise exclusively on Xbox 360 and Windows. Action, drama, adventure and humor propel the story as players choose their journey to become King or Queen of Albion.
“Fable III” will be available in Standard and Limited Collector’s Editions for Xbox 360. The Standard Edition will retail for $59.99/£44.99/€64.99, while the Limited Collector’s Edition will retail for $79.99/£59.99/€84.99. The Windows version will retail for $49.99/£39.99/€54.99, and will also be available for download exclusively on Games on Demand on Games for Windows – LIVE.
The Limited Collector’s Edition also offers unique collectibles that true “Fable” fans won’t want to miss, including downloadable content, also available for Windows users, as well as in-box items that come with the Xbox 360 version. Wrapped up in a distinctive box created in the likeness of a book from “Fable III,” the contents include:
· A new quest: Uncover the mystery of the haunted forests of Silverpines and earn the legendary sword, Wolfsbane, deadly against wolves and balverines.
· Exclusive location: Unlock a new region, ideal for settling down with a family and discovering new treasures.
· “Fable III” playing cards: Created by Lionhead, these cards depict every type of character in “Fable III,” including Heroes, royals, rebels and villains from across Albion and beyond.
· Guild Seal Coin: The coin features a Good side (blue) and Evil side (red) to assist players in making critical decisions that will impact the fate of the world forever.
· A new dog breed: Renowned for its loyalty, the Boxer is a brave canine companion worthy of greatest Queens and Kings.
· One unique outfit: Unearth one male and female outfit from the mysterious, faraway land of Aurora, a new destination in your “Fable III” adventures.
“Fable III” sets the stage for an unparalleled action and adventure experience, in which you will be called upon to rise from revolutionary to ruler of Albion. The choices and sacrifices you make while fanning the flames of revolution, and then as you rule as King or Queen, will lead to an ever evolving world of consequences that will be felt across your entire land.
“Fable III” is not yet rated by the ESRB.
Confirmed Voice Actors:
Confirmed voice actors are Simon Pegg, Stephen Fry (resuming his role as Reaver), John Cleese (playing your butler Jasper who also appears in the pause menu) and Sir Ben Kingsley (playing as a wizard known as King of Mist Peak)
Peter Molyneux is a man with a dream too big to put on paper. I think he is actually very earnest in his desire to build exactly what he claims, but time and budget always end up hindering him.
Hell, if I had to choose 1 developer to give unlimited time and money to (like Hideo Kojima got for MGS4), it would be Molyneux. The man has vision.
Until then, however, I don't believe a word coming out of his mouth till I sit down and play the game myself.
It all sounds very promising, and on paper looks like it's a great game, but, as Avery says, Molyneux has too often promised grand things and delivered very little.
I'm looking forward to the game, but I know in my heart that we'll only be seeing half of that list implemented at most.
Also, I see it mentions a Windows version (download only, though) - I assume that means either Windows players won't have an option to continue with characters they might have had on the Xbox, or that Fable II might be released for Windows?
Peter Molyneux has confirmed that the game will have many new features, including:
* Episodes: There will be 2 episodes featured in the game. The first is to campaign to remove the king from the throne. The second is ruling Albion after you receive the crown.
* Judgements: As ruler of Albion, you will be able to determine if and how to respond to the requests of your citizens, such as punishing criminals.
* Touch: The simple expression system has greatly evolved. Now, "You can shake someone's hand, and then that might turn into a hug. You can then turn that into an embrace, and then into a full-on snog."
*There will be much more far reaching consequences for your actions than in the past two games due to at least part of the game taking place with the character as a monarch.
* Peter Molyneux has stated that it won't just be Albion, but has yet to give more information. Clues from the end of Fable II lead to Reaver and Garth in Samarkand. In the quest The Vision from the DLC See the Future, Theresa clearly states that the unborn child will change the fate of Albion and Aurora. Aurora has since been revealed to be an entirely new setting in Fable III.
* The previous saves from Fable II will be featured in Fable III. This means choices of your old hero will affect your new hero in Fable III. Choices from the two DLCs, Knothole Island and See the Future, will also correlate.
* Co-op impregnation will be possible
Definetely the most important improvement
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There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.
i loved the first 2 , but for some reason this one looks like its more cartoon then the first two. Thats a little bit of a turn off for me. The trailers look pretty cool but hhhmmmm.. i dunno, probs still buy it though lol .
i loved the first 2 , but for some reason this one looks like its more cartoon then the first two. Thats a little bit of a turn off for me. The trailers look pretty cool but hhhmmmm.. i dunno, probs still buy it though lol .
I think it looks less cartoonish than the first two Looks pretty cool, has everything Fable 2 had and hopefully a lot of new stuff.
I know Peter Molyneux isnt the most trustworthy of the game developers, but he is actually one of the few people in the world that i actually want to believe in (the others are pretty much Barack Obama and Mikael Åkerfeldt ) because he has vision.
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I think it looks less cartoonish than the first two Looks pretty cool, has everything Fable 2 had and hopefully a lot of new stuff.
Yeah I agree, although I think the "cartoonishness" is just a part of how fable is supposed to look. I rather like it, although I always thought all the weapons looked so silly in Fable 1
Reading this thread through actually made me play Fable 2 again and made me realize the only thing I didn't like about the game (well, two things) and that is THE SHORTNESS! I finished the main quest, with many sidequests peppered in, in probably 7 hours. The first time I played the game through I was so pissed off at how short it was, so hopefully Fable 3 will be much longer, especially with this promising sounding "2 chapter" feature. I'm also excited about being able to be the son of my Fable 2 hero (I hope all my statues are still there ) and the new pause menu looks pretty cool and fun too, albeit slow and inconvenient (but I'll take cool and fun over that).
I just HOPE HOPE HOPE they change the damn spellcasting system. Fable 1 worked like a charm and I could use any power I wanted whenever I wanted, even during combat, but the system in 2 sucked so badly that I was restricted to one power the entire game. Though they are using the same engine, so I dunno about that.
I'm also excited about the time setting - industrial revolution, how neat! We actually (judging by the videos so far) see weapons and clothing that we recognize! Pretty cool if you ask me...
Anyway I'm much looking forward to this game and I hope it doesn't let me down, not that I believe it will. Two months!
Oh, and the "touch" thing is rather stupid looking
yehhhh!!!! im soooo lookinf forward to it now CANT WAIT ***drools *** hahah
i think the game is going to friken aaawwsoommee , every aspect of it so far is really really cool . Only thing is... yes, i dont want it to be as short as the last one haha
P.s i will be getting the collectors edition when it comes out, will anyone else be getting it ? / im getting it for the sword you get with it .
I remember when Fable was a game series about an epic "hero" who was essentially Beowulf, just with a set backstory fighting a guy named Jack of Blades.
Now it's about a Renaissance mercenary leading a country.
Fable 3 I'd have to play before I can properly critique it. But I don't aim to get it new. It just doesn't appeal to me anymore. After I played Fable 2 for a few weeks it just got increadably boring to me. The characters werent particularly interesting, the writing felt subpar, and the amount of conversations I felt rehashed from other games just annoyed me.
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Haha hey, I understand what you're saying Yorick. It is really different from the first fable. I remember reading somewhere that the inspiration for Fable I was folklore, which was obvious, the inspiration for Fable II was King Arthur and Robin Hood, which I can see, and the inspiration behind III is powerful and sometimes tyrannical leaders like Henry VIII, which to me is interesting, though I agree with you in the sense that there is no place for magic in modern times.
However to me it's cool how even though the world has changed so much (the Fable world of course), the hero bloodlines still follow through. And like I said before I think it'll be interesting to play in a familiar time period and see how much I might actually recognize from real life.
Like you said though, Fable II was definitely lacking and I hope III will pick it up.
@Taak Farst - Then buy an xbox when you can. I bought mine just so I could play Fable 2 and now I'm hooked on many other great games for the xbox.
@StarWarsPhreak - October 26, 2010 is the release date for US and October 29, 2010 for UK. Amazon not wrong.
@Topic - I have pre-ordered my copy of the LCE. I think this game is going to be great!
There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.
Uncanny valley too much? Yeah, probably. The facial expressions, and animation movements look like they were animated by a 8 year old, and the slow-motion didn't exactly "fit" in that well.
Still, I'll probably get Fable III at some point. I'm just not buying it on launch date.
Same here... I love the setting of the game, good ol medieval fantasy worlde is so goddamn overused its awesome that this happens in the 18th/19th century.
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The game looks very interesting - even though I thought the first one was mildly lacking in some respects, great in others. Haven't played the second, as it isn't on PC, but this I might look at getting when it comes out for PC in December.
Just found this on xbox live:
Fable III Male Highlander Outfit
Summon the spirit of the highlands with this new outfit, perfect for charging into battle with a rebellious roar. The outfit comprises a bonnet, bracers, boots, top and kilt. These items will be added to your gift queue in the Sanctuary, and will be available when clothes are unlocked in the storyline. Please be aware that retail copies of Fable III contain a code to receive this outfit and you may already own it.
Fable III Red Setter Dog Potion
Transform your faithful collie into a red setter with this amazing potion. Just let your dog have a sip when he's lying in his basket in the Sanctuary. This item will be added to your gift queue in the Sanctuary, and will be available when it's unlocked in the storyline. Please be aware that retail copies of Fable III contain a code to receive this potion and you may already own it.
Free Weapons
In-game content. Communication is very important in Fable III, and what better way to communicate with the world than to bash it in the head with the new hammer, Bloodstone Bludgeon, and shoot it in the face with the brand new rifle, Gusket's Musket? These items will be added to your gift queue in the Sanctuary, and will be available when weapons are unlocked in the storyline.
(Unfortunately i couldn't find any pictures of these add-ons)
Well I backed off from the keyboard (playing Fallout: New Vegas) and picked up the 360 controller last night to play Fable 3. I mainly did this just so I could say I played Fable 3 before leXX. After about 7 hours of game play that had me up until 3:00 am I must say I will not be going back the Fallout: New Vegas anytime soon.
My first impression of the Fable 3 is that it seems to be a polished finished game compared to other games I have played or attempted to play lately. That does not mean it is perfect. The game does start slowly, but so did Fable 2. Peter Molneux did not lie, there is a difficult choice right at the beginning of the game, but it does not really feel that dire because it is not like you have anything invested at the game at that time.
The PC and NPC look way better than Fable 2. I’ve enjoy the new level up system and so far the quest have been fun yet tedious at times. The combat system seems much the same from Fable 2, but I do like many of the killing moves much better. Seeing my princess flip up in the air to land on the bad guy’s neck and break his neck with her thighs always puts a smile on my face.
Not crazy about there not being a traditional menu system, Sanctuary seems a bit unnecessary to me. I am getting more and more use to it the more I play. Shopping/Selling seems to have been streamlined (not a good thing IMO). Many more quest than Fable 2. Just like the real world, make friends with someone and they are going to ask the princess a favor. Hate the hand holding following.
For all they have changed or modified, it still feels like Albion, so far at least and while the Fable franchise may never confused with great, deep writing it is a blast to play and very difficult to put down in order to sleep.
... I am Jacks Smirking Revenge
) and the new pause menu looks pretty cool and fun too, albeit slow and inconvenient (but I'll take cool and fun over that).
. Only thing is... yes, i dont want it to be as short as the last one haha
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