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Old 02-07-2010, 07:26 AM   #81
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My friends and I have agreed that she was ashamed of Jango Fett's choice to become a Bounty Hunter instead of being -a stupid pacifist- like the "New Mandalorians".

Jango Fett WAS a Fett (a clan of Mandalorians) who was on Concord Dawn when the Death Watch raided his home, and he went and became adopted by the leader of the True Mandalorians (I forgot his name). After the Mandalorian Civil War, he became the bounty hunter he was until ep2.
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Old 02-07-2010, 10:02 AM   #82
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But wait, they disregarded canon in that episode by saying "Jango Fett was a common bounty hunter, nothing more."
Even if Jango Fett wasn't just a bounty hunter, how does it conflict with canon to havean in-universe character express that in-universe opinion?


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Actually, Canderous lead the Mandos after the Exile departed

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Not really. She does comment on Canderous future, but what she says on him does not include the mandos. The exact quote is:

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"Many battles does that one have left in him... as Revan intended. A general needs an army, as he needs those he trusts. And Canderous is a loyal beast, no matter how much he is broken upon Revan's will."
As such, Canderous loyalty to Revan surpasses that of his duty as the Mandalore. It does not seem unlikely that he forego his people once again to do his/her bidding.

She then proceeds to brief the Exile on the mandalorians future specifically. Her words, as you'll see, are cloudy, cryptic and even uncertain.
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"Perhaps there will be no new age, Mandalore, no great Mandalorian crusade. Perhaps your people fought their last battle at Malachor V, and you have been dying ever since, a quiet death that will last centuries. And perhaps all that remains will be what I see before me: a man, wounded by a Jedi, encased in a Mandalorian shell, haunted by the thought of being the last of the Mandalorians."
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"They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and in the end, the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi."


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Sounds a bit like he was proud to be serving under the one that beat them, not angry because he stole their honor.
What does that accomplish, in the end? If Revan decides to cast aside his morals and ethic and start mass murdering as the mandalorians, Canderous would still be alongside him, that's what he's saying.


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Old 02-11-2010, 12:10 AM   #84
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I partially agree. While Canderous would follow Revan anywhere he went, he still had a priority of rebuilding the Mandalorians, as he stated in the game. He said that he would restore the Mandalore clans while following the Exile in his/her journeys
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:43 PM   #85
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Ugh, this latest clone wars makes me want to puke. LucasFilm apparently turned the Mandalorians into peace-loving idiots, completely or no-honour raiders, ruining the whole Mandalorian Name.
No, they didn't. They simply created a new Mandalorian faction called "New Mandalorian".

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Jango?? wha-?

WHAT DID THEY DO
Nothing, really.

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Saying Jango isn't a Mando is like saying Darth Vader isn't a sith, because he's not a Red skinned humanoid from Ziost. Until this episode Jango was as much a Mandalorian as anyone, even though he was adopted, in fact adoption is a big part of Mando Culture, Orphaned by the battlefield etc. my Main Problem is, they are changing stuff for no reason IMO.
They haven't changed nothing. So, you believe in a guy who belongs to a pacifist faction, and doesn't want to connect Mandalorians to warriors?

This same guy said that those who followed the traditional warrior way were exiled to Concordia and died years ago. Guess he was wrong...

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I feel this childish crap goes against everything that what made Star Wars great. The original and prequel movies.
This tv series is as childish as any movie of the saga.

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Boba Fett was a badass bounty hunter in the movie. Not a peace-loving hippie.
Sorry, but I feel Star Wars is going bad...very bad.

I hope this 'real action' tv series will do something good
But he's not a peace-loving hippie.

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How about we all just agree the TCW f***ed EVERYTHING that is not related directly to the Clone Wars.
That's not true, at all.

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And what about them trying to make the show appeal to older audiences? That is definately not happening...
Come again? Are we talking about the same show?

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The show was made for younger audiences, I guess we'll have to accept that, but I would like it to be a little more expanded on its age group focus
The Star Wars movies were made for younger audiences too. And I think they're already expanding the target age.

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They haven't thrown it all away. This is *one* group of Mandalorians who don't follow this hallowed 'code of honour', while there are other groups who do.
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I lol'd.
Me too.

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Old 02-13-2010, 01:05 PM   #86
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Actually I thought the episode showed Mandalorians perfectly.

Especially the Death Watch, whom we know have an influence later on.

But yeah, the Mandolarians have always been thugs. Badass thugs, but thugs.
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:46 PM   #87
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But yeah, the Mandolarians have always been thugs. Badass thugs, but thugs.
Not all factions, apparently...
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Old 02-13-2010, 03:52 PM   #88
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The harsh truth about all this is people need to remember that Star Wars was originally George Lucas' vision and that means he has a right to do whatever he wants with it.
I like, this quote. Guess what name pops up, first on all of the credits in every episode? <---(rhetorical) George Lucas is the Creator and Executive Producer meaning he hires the writers, the actors, and the staff and crew oh and signs off on what he does and does not like from their scripts.

You can argue Expanded Universe mandalorians all you want to, but Lucas has a pattern of ignoring a few of those concepts and coming up with his own vision of how this would happen.

Also, you are trying to put 4,000 year-old concepts into the modern Clone Wars, that is just not going to happen.

Someone said, something about the current Jedi Order kicking the Mandalorian butts way back, that was a paraphrase from an article in Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary



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Old 02-13-2010, 03:54 PM   #89
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Yeah, before TPM they were getting their asses served to them. Still, I would have liked it if their civilization didn't throw away their skills entirely, maybe use it for something good. The complete Pacifist idea could have been different. The Mandos still could have been a little peaceful, but still hold to their history, with a modified culture
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Old 02-13-2010, 04:28 PM   #90
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I was gonna continue the discussion, but TCW is so bad, I don't accept it as Star Wars... So Good Luck with the Show I'll be Reading Knight Errant and FOTJ


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Old 02-13-2010, 04:32 PM   #91
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I was gonna continue the discussion, but TCW is so bad, I don't accept it as Star Wars...
Bad in what sense?
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Old 02-13-2010, 04:56 PM   #92
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Bad in originality, bad in ideas, bad in character personalization. Ahsoka being one of that
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Bad in originality, bad in ideas, bad in character personalization.
I think it's good in all of that.

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Ahsoka being one of that
Actually, I'm impressed how the character has evolved so far. And I was one of those who hated it when she appeared as Anakin's padawan...
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Old 02-13-2010, 05:10 PM   #94
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Ahsoka was OK when I first started watching the show. I didn't think that a 13 year old togruta added much to the show/movie, but the character has kinda grown on me. Sure she gets annoying sometimes, but she reminds me alot of Anakin when he was that age and even older! I was kinda upset that the Mandalorians didn't attack Mandalore in last night's episode though.
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Ahsoka was OK when I first started watching the show. I didn't think that a 13 year old togruta added much to the show/movie, but the character has kinda grown on me. Sure she gets annoying sometimes, but she reminds me alot of Anakin when he was that age and even older!
Aside from that, I still don't see where's the bad originality, bad ideas, and bad character personalization...

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I was kinda upset that the Mandalorians didn't attack Mandalore in last night's episode though.
If they did that, then the mandalorian people would be against them. Besides, as Dooku mentioned, they could only hold the planet for a day.
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But its not like Dutchess Satine would have let the clones occupy her home world! Who would fight back?
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But its not like Dutchess Satine would have let the clones occupy her home world! Who would fight back?
Didn't you get what was happening on the Senate? It was not up to Satine to decide if the Republic would let the Republic occupy Mandalore or not...
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You have to remember that the Republic during that time included Mandalore, so by treaty she would have been resigned to do whatever the senate decided. That was why getting that disk was so important. She had to prove the the senate that sending in the Amazing clone army was playing right into the Death Watch's plot to take Mandalore. Yes, the clones + Jedi would probably ruin the Death Watch unless they had Seperatist support, but the point is that the people would think of them as an occupying force causing unrest. The message also said the people had been training for the Death Watch attack for some time, now.



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Bad in what sense?
The Clone Wars... I mean How much Coverage does this 3 year period need? I got a face full (Good face full) from Dark Horse Comics, Del rey Books and LucasArts Games, between 2002-2005. The Characters are so one dimensional and It seems like there is very little happening in each episode, the Animation is world Class but it is Soulless... But, My Main Problem is how the EU (My Favorite part of Current Star Wars) feels it must retcon and reshape itself to adhere to this rhubarb?! Most of the people who's EU is being Screwed don't even watch the Clone Wars.

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Flat, infantile Stories and Characters.

Overused era and Characters

Borrowed and Butchered Themes and events (ie; Vizla, Concord Dawn, Open Seasons, the Death Watch)

Anakin Has a Padawan

Gay Hutts

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Old 02-13-2010, 06:40 PM   #100
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The Clone Wars... I mean How much Coverage does this 3 year period need? I got a face full (Good face full) from Dark Horse Comics, Del rey Books and LucasArts Games, between 2002-2005. The Characters are so one dimensional and It seems like there is very little happening in each episode, the Animation is world Class but it is Soulless... But, My Main Problem is how the EU (My Favorite part of Current Star Wars) feels it must retcon and reshape itself to adhere to this rhubarb?! Most of the people who's EU is being Screwed don't even watch the Clone Wars.
Its sad to think, but really all the EU is moderate quality fanfiction. The original story and universe belongs to George, and everything beyond the 6 movie timeline is fanfiction based on his universe.

While its annoying, I understand why he does it. If I ever put a universe together, I'd like to stick with how I envision the universe and how I envision the characters. While the EU has to bend to George, don't you think its equally unfair for George to bend his original works to satisfy what essentially amounts to a bunch of fanfic writers/readers?

It sucks... but knowing what we know about George I'd say its a fools game to try to write Canon anywhere near his storyline. That is not to say even the fanfic writers can't screw up *cough* Bioware *cough*, but the readers/writers should know going in that everything is fan mold for the original artist to mold as he so chooses. Obsidian learned this the hard way considering their story just got retconned out by Bioware.

It sucks, but in his place I'd probably do the same. Hell, if I had anywhere near his level of power in that story I'd retcon a hell of a lot.
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Old 02-13-2010, 07:14 PM   #101
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I don't get this notion that the EU is some kind of Make a wish foundation for writers, like they should be thankful for being allowed to step foot in GL's world hehe, he makes a lot of money from them its not a charity.

But yea I know all about how canon works Have done for many years, and I've heard the "GL>You" Many many times too how the EU bends to GL and never the other way round, I'm simply saying I dislike it, why cant people read that in my posts ? I must come across as a total Noob, some of the replies I get hehe.

and for the Record I'm strictly talking about the CLONE WARS here, the films Rule, I'm Talking about Now, GL, TCW, etc. Please don't talk about the Films to make your point... I bow down to ESB, spit in the eye of TCW.


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Man, I read this whole thread here and there are way too many good points.

My view on the Mandalorians has always flip-flopped.

K1 - Thugs, tough to kill, murderers, etc
k2 - Thugs yes, murderers still, but I guess I had sympathy for them. The thought of their code/honor/ways of life being lost forever made me feel sorry for them. If I was a Mando myself, I'd probably be doing the same thing: trying to rebuild. Same would go for the Jedi or the Sith, but probably not gungans

But don't any of you try to pin the whole "Murderous barbarian" label on me. Just because I'm in favor of the "old mando ways", doesn't mean that it's because I like to kill women, babies and pacifists.

No, it's simply from a storytelling perspective. If I adhered to the "code of honor" I would probably be pissed off by these pacifist losers. Conversely, If I was one of these pacifists, I would see nothing but folly in the minds of mindless brutes.

So which am I? OH WAIT, NEITHER! I can imagine I'm anyone I want and hold whatever imaginary goals I want too because it doesn't matter.

Breaking the 3rd wall aside, I have to agree that these Mandalorian pacifists is a good idea. It was only a matter of time before someone wanted to make a change for the better anyways. It works. I would still be rooting for the old Mandos, but hey, that's just me.

Now what I don't like is this whole canon issue, specifically retconning, is that it's primarily wasting time. There's a limitless amount of planets, time periods, people, technology, so why go around trying to modify other people's work?

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Flat, infantile Stories and Characters.
Very few episodes at the beggining, yes. But most episodes are not infantile stories. As for the characters, they are very solid.

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Overused era and Characters
Not at all. Except for maybe Anakin and Obi-Wan, there's no such thing...

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Borrowed and Butchered Themes and events (ie; Vizla, Concord Dawn, Open Seasons, the Death Watch)
That's called homage, not butchering. And it was only Vizsla and the Death Watch, not Open Season nor Concord Dawn.

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The only thing I agree with you. But I guess we can only judge her when the show is finished.

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Gay Hutts
Guess what, Hutts are hermaphrodites.

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George Lucas
Yes, the same guy who gave us Star Wars. Why is this bad?

Look, I respect your opinion if you don't like it, but that doesn't make it bad. Besides, it has been very well received by reviewers.
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That's called homage, not butchering. And it was only Vizsla and the Death Watch, not Open Season nor Concord Dawn.
Concordia? the story in Open Seasons?... read it and you'll understand

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I know, and I wasn't talking Biology, the Hutt has male Personality


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Yes, the same guy who gave us Star Wars. Why is this bad?

Look, I respect your opinion if you don't like it, but that doesn't make it bad. Besides, it has been very well received by reviewers.
And I too respect your opinion, its a Forum hehe, its the nature of our presence, to discuss and argue and sometimes agree


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Ever since Episode II came out it seems as if George Lucas and his buddies have been focusing entirely on the Clone Wars, with the notable exception of The Force Unleashed. However, Lucas and his buddies do not realize (or care) that they've milked the Clone Wars far too much, and are now squeezing the poor cow for its last pennies/droplets of milk before casting it aside.

I fail to see how the Clone Wars is even relevant to the Star Wars universe. The whole purpose of the prequel trilogy is to show how and why Anakin Skywalker turned to the dark side. The trilogy shows us his transformation and gives us one reason as to why he turns to the dark side: love. He loves Padme and doesn't want to see her hurt. This love is corrupted by fear, which turns him to the dark side.

So could someone please explain to me what the purpose of the Clone Wars is? Does Lucas want to be sure that we have heard ever last detail of the time between Episodes II and III? A pitiful decision.

Maybe Lucas feels like everybody has a piece of his pie, so he wants a piece of everyone's piece (HINT: transformation of Mandos).

Whatever, Lucasarts will only redeem themselves in my eyes by letting Obsidian do KotOR 3...
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So could someone please explain to me what the purpose of the Clone Wars is?
To show Anakin's "Hero of the Republic" side, to develop characters that couldn't have to much screen time on the prequels, to show the clone wars to the general audience, and to create a new generation of Star Wars fans.

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A pitiful decision.
Hence the great ratings, the positive reviews and the huge sucess.

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Maybe Lucas feels like everybody has a piece of his pie, so he wants a piece of everyone's piece (HINT: transformation of Mandos).
And where did he transformed the Mandos? Did you forget he created them?
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To show Anakin's "Hero of the Republic" side, to develop characters that couldn't have to much screen time on the prequels, to show the clone wars to the general audience, and to create a new generation of Star Wars fans.
General audience? New generation? I'm afraid I don't understand. Anakin's hero side was shown through numerous novels AND the beginning of Episode III.

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Hence the great ratings, the positive reviews, and the huge success.
I don't think that I ever said that the Clone Wars is an abomination and needs to be destroyed. I'm sure that there are people who enjoy it and I respect that. However, I pointed out that Lucas is making a mistake in trying to fill in *every* detail between Episodes II and III. It really leaves nothing to the imagination of the viewers (that wasn't a pun >.<).

Besides, the Clone Wars seems to be geared towards an extremely young audience. You refer to creating a new audience? Star Wars isn't going to last forever, despite some hope. So IMO, end it on a high note. Technically, one could explore the Star Wars universe until the Jedi and Sith became extinct and the rest of the people flew through the Unknown Regions, landed on Earth, and let the historians pick up from there; this is an example of an axe murder.

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Sorry, I was referring to the way that Mandos where shown in the KotOR series.
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General audience? New generation? I'm afraid I don't understand.
General audience, the ones who only follow the movies and such. New generation, as the ones whom TCW is their first contact with Star Wars.

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Anakin's hero side was shown through numerous novels AND the beginning of Episode III.
Yet, that's not known for the general audience.


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Besides, the Clone Wars seems to be geared towards an extremely young audience.
As were the movies. Most of the episodes plot is as serious as the movies.


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You refer to creating a new audience? Star Wars isn't going to last forever, despite some hope.
If they keep this way, I seriously doubt that.

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So IMO, end it on a high note. Technically, one could explore the Star Wars universe until the Jedi and Sith became extinct and the rest of the people flew through the Unknown Regions, landed on Earth, and let the historians pick up from there; this is an example of an axe murder.
I really don't see the problem. Everyone makes their own canon.

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Sorry, I was referring to the way that Mandos where shown in the KotOR series.
And why should a culture be the same on both eras?
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:22 PM   #109
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Ok, clearly you believed me to be attacking your claims and belief. I wasn't, I was commenting on the threat title and giving my opinion. I don't want to be locked in an argument about who's right and wrong. We both have our opinions, different as they may be.
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Ok, clearly you believed me to be attacking your claims and belief.
Not at all, I'm just discussing.

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I was commenting on the threat title and giving my opinion. I don't want to be locked in an argument about who's right and wrong. We both have our opinions, different as they may be.
And I respect your opinion. I was just discussing it. After all, that's why this thread is for, discussing opinions.
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Mandos... Did you forget he created them?
Don't quote me on this, but the first instance of the name was from the Empire Strikes back novelization, penned by Donald Glut, not Lucas... But then again, Coruscant was an EU name, and no one is gonna take that from Lucas hehe


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Don't quote me on this, but the first instance of the name was from the Empire Strikes back novelization, penned by Donald Glut, not Lucas...
Indeed, but it was Lucas who created the small backstory of Boba on that novel. As it was Lucas who created Darth Bane and the Rule of Two on TPM novel, yet, the novel was written by Terry Brooks.
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. Obsidian learned this the hard way considering their story just got retconned out by Bioware.
Eh? How so?
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I asked you not to Quote me on it


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But you were right.
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Old 01-22-2011, 08:31 PM   #116
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The real mandoa

I've read several of the posts on this page and it really doesn't seem like any of you guys know who the mandos are. They didn't become a bloodthirsty band of thugs until Mandolore the Ultimate was influenced by the sith to weaken the republic. After the sith were no longer and influence on the Mandolore it was the Supercommando codex that brought out the Death Watch and caused the mando civil war because they wanted a return to the so called glory days of trying to conquer the galaxy. Mandoe'ade are mercenaries and bounty hunters by trade and warriors forever but they are nothing like the warmongers you believe them to be. If you read the Republic Commandos series of books you'll find out that the entire culture is based on family. In fact the greates title that any mando can hold is father or mother. I hate to tell you this but the clone wars version of both mandolore and the mandolorians is waaaay off but so is yours.
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You resurrected an ancient thread that no one has thought about since Feb of 2010, I applaude you.

However you also need to realize that the Mandos at the time of KotOR were a dying species... they had to train normal races ie human, rodian ect in their ways otherwise they would have been lost... and we all know that things have a tendancy to spiral out of control through the passing of information over time. So it's very possible that at the time the Clone Wars happened...
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Actually the mandos were made up of multi species already at the time of TOR before Revan and Malek were led to the dark side by the sith emporer.
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Actually the mandos were made up of multi species already at the time of TOR before Revan and Malek were led to the dark side by the sith emporer.
Yes, but there were a few of the actually is a few I believe from Canderous' war stories... though I may have misinterpretted it.
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You may have me there, I've never even heard of the Canderous' war stories. As far as "resurecting an ancient thread" I didn't pay attention to the dates. I saw my favorite part of the SWU (particularly the Republic Commandos version) being discussed.
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