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Old 05-01-2010, 08:15 PM   #1
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Oh, For ****'s Sake! (*spoilers*)

I haven't been following the story on the official site, but I decided to take a gander at the article on Wookieepedia today, and this is what I came across:

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What the flying fart! Seriously, that's the worst thing I ever heard! In fact, I recall some really noobish fanboy on these forums submitting a theory very similar to this one, and we all laughed at how silly it was. And rightly so!

I wonder if they'll use the Zahn scheme where clones share the name of the original template, only with an extra vowel thrown in (Joruus C'Baoth, Luuke Skywalker). This guy can be Gaalen Marek! Hahahahahahahahaha!

Oh, Heaven help us.


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Old 05-01-2010, 09:40 PM   #2
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What did you want instead? Some asspull explanation for him coming back to life and escaping both Vader and Sidious on the first Death Star?

It may be lame, but it's a lot better than the alternative. If he is indeed a clone, and therefore a different person, then his character can go in different directions than he otherwise would; if he's not the original apprentice, then there's no express need to tie him down with Juno Eclipse baggage (in the same way, at least), and he need not have the same personality or goals, either.

Personally, I saw this coming ever since the teaser, with Vader taunting "the apprentice" believing that he has a purpose (really, how could those lines make any sense unless he's a clone?).


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Which doesn't sound bad to me, but your entitled to your opinion.

Decided to hide that first part because it contains spoilers.


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Old 05-01-2010, 11:01 PM   #4
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What did you want instead? Some asspull explanation for him coming back to life and escaping both Vader and Sidious on the first Death Star?
Well, Shem's simplistic theory was pretty good: Galen goes into a death-like state to full the Sith and comes out of it once the stormtroopers dispose of his body. It was simple, it wasn't cheesy, and it made perfect sense. (Granted, it does somewhat contradict the ending to the novel, where his consciousness is described leaving his body, floating out into space, and then dissolving into the Force; but I could have let that one slide.)

Now it'll be the same thing all over again: you are Darth Vader's secret apprentice who breaks free of his master's clutches and has to decide between forgiveness and revenge. Hell, if they wanted to go with that angle again they could have made Maris Brood the protagonist. I'd imagine that would have been quite any easy and logical choice, wouldn't you agree? Anything would have been better than this.

And what's with the Kamino fan-wanking? How many other cloning outposts exist within the Star Wars universe? Tons!


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Old 05-02-2010, 12:29 AM   #5
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I would think it highly unlikely that he would be able to fool two of the most powerful Sith in recent sw history...but that is simply my opinion.

At any rate, the clone thing was really the only logical route they could go. Secondly, I'm not going rant and rave until I get a more reliable source than wookieepedia, and I probably won't rant and rave period until I play the game and have a chance for a first hand evaluation. Until then I would only be full of sound and fury signifying nothing


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Old 05-02-2010, 02:04 AM   #6
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The source isn't Wookieepedia, dude. You're missing the point. The source is the game's official site, whose newly-revealed info I discovered through Wookieepedia.


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I can tell you right now that this game is going to strike out with its new story. It's too bad I wasn't on the development team. I guarantee my version would be way more successful.

Want to know why? The fans of the game grew attached to the character of Starkiller. Putting someone else in his place who really isn't him is going to turn people off. That right there will probably seal its fate.

People are more going to play the game for the action rather than the story which will kill the game's quality in the long run. I'm sure they're trying to make up for it by allowing him to wield dual lightsabers to try to make the game more attractive along with some new Force Powers, etc, but nothing will be able to make up for the loss of story, especially when you're expected the audience to get on board with a character that really isn't the character people fell in love with.

The developers should have been smart enough to know this from the start. Oh, well, another development team that will learn the hard way unless that have figured out a way for us to fall in love with the new character.

Oh, so now they're going to kill this character at the end as well.

And if they think bringing in Yoda is going to help make this game cooler, they're sadly mistaken.


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Now it'll be the same thing all over again: you are Darth Vader's secret apprentice who breaks free of his master's clutches
What little we know seems to indicate that this happens much earlier in the plot.

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Hell, if they wanted to go with that angle again they could have made Maris Brood the protagonist. I'd imagine that would have been quite any easy and logical choice, wouldn't you agree?
No. Maris has no need to appear in the EU ever again, unless it's finding her corpse in a cell somewhere.

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Who "fell in love with" the apprentice so badly?


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My Problem is that Cloning him, has created another Force messiah... I mean I'm not a fan of Midichlorians, but this makes the Force even less mystical than TPM did, If you can just Clone a jedi, why not make a Jedi Army, Just crap IMO... Not that I expected a much better explanation for his appearance in TFU II, oh well, another facepalm for Lucas and co.


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I can tell you right now that this game is going to strike out with its new story. It's too bad I wasn't on the development team. I guarantee my version would be way more successful.

Want to know why? The fans of the game grew attached to the character of Starkiller. Putting someone else in his place who really isn't him is going to turn people off. That right there will probably seal its fate.

People are more going to play the game for the action rather than the story which will kill the game's quality in the long run. I'm sure they're trying to make up for it by allowing him to wield dual lightsabers to try to make the game more attractive along with some new Force Powers, etc, but nothing will be able to make up for the loss of story, especially when you're expected the audience to get on board with a character that really isn't the character people fell in love with.

The developers should have been smart enough to know this from the start. Oh, well, another development team that will learn the hard way unless that have figured out a way for us to fall in love with the new character.

Oh, so now they're going to kill this character at the end as well.

And if they think bringing in Yoda is going to help make this game cooler, they're sadly mistaken.
You my friend are the ONLY person I know or even heard of (I'm not counting the creators) who actually really likes Starkiller. And the story in the first one was lacking so I don't see how creating a likable character and a good plot line would kill the game's quality.

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You my friend are the ONLY person I know or even heard of (I'm not counting the creators) who actually really likes Starkiller. And the story in the first one was lacking so I don't see how creating a likable character and a good plot line would kill the game's quality.

To like a story, you have to like the main character. If you dislike the main character, the story loses much of its appeal.

So based on that logic, how in the world did this game win awards for its story tellling?

Think about that.

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No. Maris has no need to appear in the EU ever again, unless it's finding her corpse in a cell somewhere.
Here is an example of what a game with Maris would fail. Not many people would fall in love with the character, including me. You have to see yourself in a character in order for it to be successful and that will pave a path to like a story.


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Who "fell in love with" the apprentice so badly?
This isn't a sexual love thing you know.

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My Problem is that Cloning him, has created another Force messiah... I mean I'm not a fan of Midichlorians, but this makes the Force even less mystical than TPM did, If you can just Clone a jedi, why not make a Jedi Army, Just crap IMO... Not that I expected a much better explanation for his appearance in TFU II, oh well, another facepalm for Lucas and co.
That was the thing. Making a successful Jedi clone always failed according to the story of TFU II, etc. I think that was brought up in the AOTC novel, but it's been 8 years since I've read it so I can't be certain.

Anyway, I don't like how they're all of a sudden rewriting the rules. It was considered a great achievement to grow a clone successfully in half the time it would be for a normal human being and now they can do it within weeks or months? On top of it, a Jedi now?


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Old 05-03-2010, 10:55 AM   #13
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You my friend are the ONLY person I know or even heard of (I'm not counting the creators) who actually really likes Starkiller. And the story in the first one was lacking so I don't see how creating a likable character and a good plot line would kill the game's quality.

well, he won the "best star wars character" competiton on wookiepedia in 2008
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well, he won the "best star wars character" competiton on wookiepedia in 2008
Well blind masses will vote anything promoted at the time. I could be wrong though. I'm actually glad to see someone is glad he's back because I'm just f****** pissed!
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Well blind masses will vote anything promoted at the time. I could be wrong though. I'm actually glad to see someone is glad he's back because I'm just f****** pissed!

It is what it is, I will still play it, you probably will still play it. It's a video game dude, if you want in depth story telling go see a movie. I hate when people have nothing to do but spend their days complaining on the internet about a Star Wars Video Game's storyline. Where were you when they put out Republic Heroes? Many, many, many worse games out there. It's a very simple eqaution.

Palpatine= Raw Power

Starkiller= Still an apprentice

Palpatine-Starkiller=Palpatine

They would've known if he survived dude. They can't keep pulling the same trick out; "Oh wait Starkiller was Stabbed by a lightsaber, thrown around a room, then thrown out to space and survived. A straight duel with the Emperor in the equation and he still survives? No.
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Okay, scans of the article in English are now available. I must say that the way they thought out the story is better than I thought it would have been. There might just be potential in this.


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I also have a theory (which by default means that there's a 95% chance that I'm wrong, but anyway): Could it be that Galen (Gaalen? ) has reason to believe he may not be a clone because the original Galen managed to transfer his spirit into one of the clones, and therefore be sort of reincarnated? It could explain why all of the other clones before him lost their minds.

They also mentioned that they were partially influenced by Dark Empire.


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He is a clone, but the rest is premature.

No one ever mention the name Gaalen or Staarkiller or anything like that, reminds me way to much of luuke and clone palps


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I know, that's the point.


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The thing is the writers are passing this clone off or talking about it as if he's really Starkiller and not a clone. Like how he's older and more mature, etc. It's almost as if they're either talking themselves into it's really him, or it's hint to a major twist in terms that he really isn't a clone and somehow was brought back to life.

I'll stick to they're trying to talk themselves into thinking it's really him.


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Thia game's gameplay better make up for a horrible story. WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE CHOSEN DARTH MAUL INSTEAD?!


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maybe becouse he's not as strong as Starkiller
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Darth Maul may be less powerful, but he is so much cooler.


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Darth Maul may be less powerful, but he is so much cooler.
The only thing cool about Darth Maul is they picked a bad ass to play him in the film. Other than that...he's just meh.


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Thia game's gameplay better make up for a horrible story. WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE CHOSEN DARTH MAUL INSTEAD?!
Seriously? You may as well ask why they didn't choose to try and clone Revan or Darth Bane, probably because them like Maul would really have no place in this story and his appearance in TFU II would be pure fan service (like in the infinities and tales comics) not to mention it seems very irrelevant for Vader or any organization in TFU to feel to want to travel to Naboo just to scoop up Maul's remains to use him again.



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There are ways of making a person unseen in the force. It's actually a force power (or several). Considering how powerful he was, and how he was trained to attack jedi, he would have been forced to sneak up on Jedi by HIDING, right?
Could have happened, 'is all I'm saying.
I might just be reading into this way too much.
This is too far-fetched.


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Well I'm not suprised the slightest bit.

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There are ways of making a person unseen in the force. It's actually a force power (or several). Considering how powerful he was, and how he was trained to attack jedi, he would have been forced to sneak up on Jedi by HIDING, right?
Could have happened, 'is all I'm saying.
I might just be reading into this way too much.
This is too far-fetched.
if you have actually played TFU I, you'd know that the jedi always know he's coming, and he simply cuts his way though countless weaker enemies before finally confronting the "boss".

he IS a clone. deal with it.
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Seriously? You may as well ask why they didn't choose to try and clone Revan or Darth Bane, probably because them like Maul would really have no place in this story and his appearance in TFU II would be pure fan service (like in the infinities and tales comics) not to mention it seems very irrelevant for Vader or any organization in TFU to feel to want to travel to Naboo just to scoop up Maul's remains to use him again.
No, I didn't want him to be cloned or anything. I was thinking that it would be cool to play as Maul during the years before his death.

From the beginning, you know the end...


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No, I didn't want him to be cloned or anything. I was thinking that it would be cool to play as Maul during the years before his death.

From the beginning, you know the end...
Oh well then that would be an excellent idea, perhaps like a Shadow Hunter videogame or something taking place during his golden years as an assassin.


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well, i recently read the stuff on wookiepedia- and Yes. thats it.
They have finally messed up the story to as much as it can be. the original ending sucked, due to Starkiller being simply "Killed" (s there is announcement already, i can simply state it- Yes, he Was killed in 1 game)
and the second game gives us the s*ty clone to play as. way To go LA, you did it again- and although this time game Is comiing to PC, and all that- im not buying it. Youve been given another chance, and successfully used it..... to prove your lack of imagination.
However, there is a tiiiiiiiIIIINY hope Left- that wookiespedia (As well as wiki) is simply wrong- as well as some other things that were 100% incorrect on wiki,and the other things that were misunderstyood. i didnt see the news on Official website- so, lets hope, wookies just translated it wronglyinto their monke...... eeeeeeer, wooklie- language about the clone-thing.

PS. Made me laugh, when i saw "You are the only one here" who loves Star killer- i mean, why else would all of us be here, discusing this guy' s fate?
And im sure, all of us here would prefer 2 pplay as original Aprentice
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well, i recently read the stuff on wookiepedia- and Yes. thats it.
They have finally messed up the story to as much as it can be. the original ending sucked, due to Starkiller being simply "Killed" (s there is announcement already, i can simply state it- Yes, he Was killed in 1 game)
and the second game gives us the s*ty clone to play as. way To go LA, you did it again- and although this time game Is comiing to PC, and all that- im not buying it. Youve been given another chance, and successfully used it..... to prove your lack of imagination.
However, there is a tiiiiiiiIIIINY hope Left- that wookiespedia (As well as wiki) is simply wrong- as well as some other things that were 100% incorrect on wiki,and the other things that were misunderstyood. i didnt see the news on Official website- so, lets hope, wookies just translated it wronglyinto their monke...... eeeeeeer, wooklie- language about the clone-thing.

PS. Made me laugh, when i saw "You are the only one here" who loves Star killer- i mean, why else would all of us be here, discusing this guy' s fate?
And im sure, all of us here would prefer 2 pplay as original Aprentice

Dude it's a ****ing video game. You reserve the right to not play it.
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The thing is the writers are passing this clone off or talking about it as if he's really Starkiller and not a clone. Like how he's older and more mature, etc. It's almost as if they're either talking themselves into it's really him, or it's hint to a major twist in terms that he really isn't a clone and somehow was brought back to life.

I'll stick to they're trying to talk themselves into thinking it's really him.
I really hope you see my post on the "GamePro Cover for May 4th features Force Unleashed 2" thread...I brought up these examples and gave my interpretations on them and they're similar to yours. I just hope we're right...


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Actually, I hope he sees my link to the scans of the article in English. Like it or not, it's all true.


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Like I said before; a lot of people will be turned off to the game with the idea of Starkiller being a clone. I was looking at GameFaq's not too long ago and saw a few comments:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/98137...4555604?page=1

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I knew they would pull some stupid crap outta their ass, Clone? Wow.
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A clone, huh? Well there went any chance for this game's story being any good.
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Trust me its not hard to find a better explanation than a clone(if he really is one)
I've seen other places in the last week or so. Maybe I should have bookmarked them to use those as references as well.

Though the idea that Starkiller really isn't a clone has been thought of too in the same thread:

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Probably in-game, they will make his resurrection be a mystery, looking to be most likely that he is a clone (Kota being skeptical), and then who knows, maybe at the end there will be a good ol' fashion Star Wars plot twist that will blow peoples' minds. I mean, this is Star Wars we're talking about. Worked for kotor. Obviously they're going to keep such plot details quiet until the release.


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Unwarranted pointless comment that doesn't contribute to the discussion anyone?

@thread: As I've mentioned before I'm not keen on speculation, but I will say I'm not exactly keen on the whole clone thing myself. I will concede that they didn't have a whole lot of choices to bring Starkiller back, but as others have said I think the clone thing has been beaten to death of late. I will give the game a chance to redeem itself and not condemn it before I've played it though.


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Here is an example of what a game with Maris would fail. Not many people would fall in love with the character, including me. You have to see yourself in a character in order for it to be successful and that will pave a path to like a story.
I would be able to see myself in her. Girl gameplayers do that all the time with male protagonists, so why not the opposite?

Besides, we need a female protagonist. There are sooo few of them. And it would be cool to have a non-human one at that.
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Besides, we need a female protagonist. There are sooo few of them. And it would be cool to have a non-human one at that.
If there was more female gamers out there I'm sure there would be more female hero games being made. It's all about supply and demand.


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