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Old 03-09-2012, 11:35 PM   #1121
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I don't think there is an actual best ending but what i see of the endings...they conflict with the design and mechanics of the ME games.

I can't go into it fully why since it would be major spoilers.

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Old 03-09-2012, 11:56 PM   #1122
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What is the objection to multiplayer, seriously? This purist attitude is fairly sad given that it's single player combat with bells on and it is A PIECE OF PISS to get a good game. buck your ideas up ffs.
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Old 03-10-2012, 12:21 AM   #1123
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MP is fine for those who want to play it. Some people, such as myself, object to being forced to play it as part of the plot of a SP game, as would possibly appear to be the case here. The same applies to the iOS games. Why should people have to buy those as well to advance the game they already paid for?

Now as it happens, it may be in this instance that MP is not required to get the best endings. Regardless, the fact that MP has any sort of affect on SP at all is stupid. If they absolutely had to give bonuses to MP people, they should have just given them additional war assets. That would have been a far more equitable system (and indeed what I had originally thought the system was, based on early reports).
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:29 AM   #1124
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I don't know what the hell sort of ending I got. It was weird.
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does the ending remind you of Deus Ex: Human Revolution (i.e. deus ex machina appears and give you a choice of three doors)? I know that DX:HR got panned for it's ending, and am wondering if ME3 will receive a similar reception.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:30 AM   #1125
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Haven't gotten far enough in the game to judge much, having fun is about the best and worse I can say, but I will state I really enjoyed the day one DLC. So far it has been the highlight of my playthrough.

About 9:30 hours in and all is well, except the lack of a stupid map 1/2 the time and the mislabling of the map. Little protip bioware, call a location the same thing on the map that you do in the journal.
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:29 AM   #1126
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Old 03-10-2012, 03:49 AM   #1127
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@Sal--Agree w/DP. MP is fine if you want it, but should be no more than icing on the cake.

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@ D3: It's not just the Femshep walk/run animation that's horrid, the male shep and npc walk/run animation looks pretty strange to me too... in the ME3 demo I mean, I don't remember it being bad in previous games, but in the demo things did seem pretty off.
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:57 AM   #1128
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Old 03-10-2012, 05:07 AM   #1129
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If the ending is anything like the spoilers I've read that were leaked months ago then I know what to expect...

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Old 03-10-2012, 05:21 AM   #1130
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Other than Chobot's walk-like-a-hooker animations, it seems like most of the female animations are the same terrible ones from ME2. At least for NPCs anyway - don't play a FemShep myself. Watching Liara walking around at times is quite disturbing. There's this whole weird semi-squat stance the animations seem to have, especially noticeable traversing stairs.

And on the subject on dodgy animations, it seems they use a toned down version of that jittery, head-shaking talking animation from the Rachni puppet-Asari in ME1. I've seen Shep do it, and some NPCs. Looks bizarre.
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Old 03-10-2012, 06:37 AM   #1131
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Ok, I've finished the game in 35 hours (with a default face ), did every quest and side quest I could find and from what I've seen of the ending (the one I've gotten, at least):

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Old 03-10-2012, 07:14 AM   #1132
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Ok, I've finished the game in 35 hours (with a default face ), did every quest and side quest I could find and from what I've seen of the ending (the one I've gotten, at least):

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I have to say I agree with you, though I'm going to try and play Multiplayer just before the final mission of ME3 and see if I can get a better ending. However the endings that I've read about are just as disappointing or insanely stupid.

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Old 03-10-2012, 07:24 AM   #1133
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Grr. Seems like I've been hit by the character import bug.

I think I'll patiently wait for a patch to fix the problem.

Provided it doesn't take more than a week, then I won't be able to resist it anymore.


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Old 03-10-2012, 08:18 AM   #1134
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It appears that, from reading forum spoiler content, my theory about ME3 was right:

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I thought, "BioWare is going to pull a DA2 on ME3, in which all of the endings are basically the same with minor differences. Individual players' choices will matter down to the most obscure minutiae, yes--but then the ultimate ending will be what BioWare wants it to be, not the players. This is also what happened with KOTOR II: TSL and Kreia being Darth Traya. Obsidian Entertainment got crucified for this, so why not BW/EA?"


On the upside, is there any partial nudity in the romance scenes with your LI? That'll be the only way I'll be tempted to buy this game.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:21 AM   #1135
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It appears that, from reading forum spoiler content, my theory about ME3 was right:

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I thought, "BioWare is going to pull a DA2 on ME3, in which all of the endings are basically the same with minor differences. Individual players' choices will matter down to the most obscure minutiae, yes--but then the ultimate ending will be what BioWare wants it to be, not the players. This is also what happened with KOTOR II: TSL and Kreia being Darth Traya. Obsidian Entertainment got crucified for this, so why not BW/EA?"


On the upside, is there any partial nudity in the romance scenes with your LI? That'll be the only way I'll be tempted to buy this game.
I don't know about all of them, but if you romance Kaidan he'll be in his boxers. x]

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Old 03-10-2012, 10:00 AM   #1136
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Started playing last night. I never expected much out of ME3 and despite that my initial impressions are still quite negative. The first thing that stands out are the poor visuals, which just might look worse than even ME1, even with all the graphical settings in the config tool maxed out. The next is the high degree of automatization in conversations and the overall lack of convo options and high restrictiveness in character interaction.

I do like the fact that they added back grenades and weapon mods and that they expanded the skill tree (compared to ME2). I also like the fact that Shepard's shields and health are more durable in combat (again, compared to ME2) and that health doesn't regenerate automatically, at least not fully. The squadmates seem more useful during combat as well, which is another plus. However, the roll action has so far done more harm to me than good and the fact that we still have the omni-button, instead of mapping certain actions to separate keys only worsens the situation for me.

On a smaller note, I like that the ME2 Mission Complete screen is gone. On another small note, I don't understand the change in appearance of certain characters (Bailey, Udina), or the change in Alliance and C-Sec uniforms. Again, these are just the initial impressions after playing through the two prologue missions, the Citadel and the Controversial DLC Character(tm) recruitment mission. I might post my definitive impressions after I finish the game.

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Old 03-10-2012, 04:13 PM   #1137
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Someone should Tweet/email Karpyshyn and see if he had anything to do with the endings or if they were all Walters' bright idea.
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Old 03-10-2012, 04:26 PM   #1138
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this is probably an incredibly dumb question. But how can I actually attach the N7 patch on to something like a cloth shirt? Do I need to buy another piece of velcro to stitch/stick on it, which the n7 patch will cling on to?


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Old 03-10-2012, 05:09 PM   #1139
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this is probably an incredibly dumb question. But how can I actually attach the N7 patch on to something like a cloth shirt? Do I need to buy another piece of velcro to stitch/stick on it, which the n7 patch will cling on to?
Or, you could just stitch it on directly. I personally just put mine on my pea coat.

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Old 03-10-2012, 05:20 PM   #1140
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Someone should Tweet/email Karpyshyn and see if he had anything to do with the endings or if they were all Walters' bright idea.
It seems to me the powers that be somehow muscled Karpyshyn out of the franchise entirely. I found no mention of him being involved in ME in any way since Mass Effect: Retribution.
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Old 03-10-2012, 05:49 PM   #1141
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I believe Karpyshyn was involve with an old plot for me3 which was later changed.

ME3 reminds me of what happen with kotor2 sith lords. If you completed the game you probably know what talking about.

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Old 03-10-2012, 06:46 PM   #1142
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Someone should Tweet/email Karpyshyn and see if he had anything to do with the endings or if they were all Walters' bright idea.
I didn't see Drew anywhere in the credits.

Nor did I hear, "embrace eternity", "glass mother", "single, glorious ________" or anything else that sounded like it should be delivered by William Shatner, so I think it's safe to say that Karpyshyn had no role in ME3.
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I believe Karpyshyn was involve with an old plot for me3 which was later changed.

ME3 reminds me of what happen with kotor2 sith lords. If you completed the game you probably know what talking about.
Seconded.


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Old 03-10-2012, 07:34 PM   #1144
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There is a chance they will change the ending or patch it since EA must be looking at this and saying is the mass effect IP damaged, will people pay for any dlc?

It would be in EA/bioware's best interest to patch the ending in a way that won't break the bank but satisfy the fan base and repair the IP.

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Old 03-10-2012, 09:12 PM   #1145
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Patch the ending?? I'm only about 7 hours into the game...is it really that bad?

I'm thoroughly enjoying the game so far, although I'm getting the feeling that I'm spending far much more time going through dialogue in passive-NPC areas than I am actual combat so far. Did anyone else get this impression in the early game? And, does it change at all? Not to say that I don't enjoy the RPG story progression, I do, but I feel like the ratio has been changed unnecessarily from ME2.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:32 PM   #1146
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There is a chance they will change the ending or patch it since EA must be looking at this and saying is the mass effect IP damaged, will people pay for any dlc?

It would be in EA/bioware's best interest to patch the ending in a way that won't break the bank but satisfy the fan base and repair the IP.
I don't think you quite understand how patches work. Patches are to fix bugs, not writing.

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Well they are "patching" the latest ME novel by Dietz to fix all the continuity errors, after the forum went crazy on its release. But no, I seriously doubt there will be any change in the ending/s. You'll just get some canned PR response.

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I think the problem most people have with the ending/s is that it is Bioware's end, not the end for the player's Shepard. After 5 years, 3 games and probably 100+ hours of playtime for a single character, there's no real resolution to Shepard's personal story, at least not in the direct sense that most fans probably wanted/expected anyway. It's very similar to DA2 in a lot of ways. You go through the whole game making a series of choices and experiencing the repercussions of choices in past games. Yet at the end, all that is ultimately meaningless - your choices amount to nought. What you get is the movie Bioware wanted to make, with the only input being what colour the special effects are. And it's not even a good movie, or not a very satisfying one anyway.
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I heard fallout 3's ending was patched do to outcry about it.

It's possible but we might have to wait till after they see a huge dip in people buying dlc. This will be a clear marker.

We will see if this outcry about the endings are around 3 weeks from now and what happens to the future dlc sales.

I personally won't buy the dlc and I bought most of the me2 (except the weapon or clothing skins) And it's not because a protest but psychological I don't see the point.

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I heard fallout 3's ending was patched do to outcry about it.
All I'm familiar with is Bethesda cutting the whole nuclear bomb thing from the Japanese version for obvious reasons. Which is still not the same thing.

In fact, the only patched ending I'm familiar with is the PC version of Portal, but that was simply for promotional reasons.

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FO3 changed the end to allow your character to survive rather than die, but only so you could use that character in DLC. Specifically the BOS one that was a direct continuation of the main story. After the credits roll, ME3 dumps you back just before you launch into the final battle so you have a save for DLC, so they don't need to change the ending on that account.
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After the credits roll, ME3 dumps you back just before you launch into the final battle so you have a save for DLC, so they don't need to change the ending on that account.
Which is the same thing they did for Dragon Age II. And in both cases, it's understandable, although I'm only guessing with Mass Effect 3, since I haven't beaten it yet.

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This is the most ****ing depressing game I've ever played. If Bioware doesn't make some changes, I'm not replaying it.
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By the way, after completing a second playthrough I can now seemingly confirm that Bioware are indeed lying about being able to get the best ending without requiring MP. Based on the various descriptions of the endings floating about, you need 5,000 EMS to get the best ending, which is absolutely impossible with a readiness of 50%. The maximum EMS you can get in that instance is about 3,500 or so, as I mentioned previously.

Also, I think I get what they mean by "best" ending now:
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So it's a case of semantics basically. They can lie, albeit with an element of truth "from a certain point of view".

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Interestingly, I just came to a completely different conclusion.

I don't know which sites you've referenced, DarthParametric, but the one I looked at listed the possible endings based on "Readiness". I assumed that "Readiness" meant EMS, but having just hit 1,900 Total Military Strength (TMS) and seeing the minimum mark hit, I'm thinking that "Readiness" = TMS, not EMS.

If that's the case, then Bioware didn't lie and the "Readiness Rating 5,000" that I've been looking at as the gold standard would be a EMS of about 2,500 (which is rather easy to get in single-player).
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Readiness is the percentage that determines your effective strength from your total strength. It's 50% by default for SP, thus EMS will be half of TMS.

I reached my conclusion based on the fact that
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This was with TMS scores of 6,500 and 7,000. Thus I concluded that the figure of 5,000 being floated around must be EMS, not TMS.
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Readiness is the percentage that determines your effective strength from your total strength. It's 50% by default for SP, thus EMS will be half of TMS.
I'm very much aware of this. I was merely pointing out that the site that I looked at referenced "Readiness" and I assumed that it was referring to EMS, when it appears that it was actually referring to TMS.

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This was with TMS scores of 6,500 and 7,000. Thus I concluded that the figure of 5,000 being floated around must be EMS, not TMS.
And that may be the case. I came to my conclusion based on the fact that the site I looked at listed possible endings starting around 1,800 and that just happens to be the TMS when the EMS bar hits "Minimum".

To your point
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Yeah I said in an earlier post that the strength progress bar seems to equate to an EMS of about 3,000, given the the "minimum" line drawn on it is an EMS of 1,000 (at 50% readiness). That's why when I started my second playthrough I thought maybe the values floating around for the "best" endings were actually TMS. But then I again revised that view on finishing the second playthrough, as noted above.

I could do the ultimate test to prove it one way or another by editing the save to set the TMS to some crazy high number like 20,000. But I'm not really in a hurry to run through the whole drawn-out end sequence again after having just burned through the game twice in a few days.
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Or reload a save and see if the other options yield different results.
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Can't, as you can't manually save for about the last 30-40 minutes of the game, and the auto-save just before the end gets overwritten after the credits roll. Besides, there wouldn't be much point in reloading that late. I want to see if boosting the EMS to 5,000 or more actually does make a difference making the same choice. Also, I heard a suggestion that there may be some minor differences in
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Just for future reference, if you've never played MP on the xbox, you might wanna find a couple of friends to level up with, otherwise they'll probably kick you out of the game because you're only level 1. ._. happened to me.


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