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Old 02-16-2012, 09:13 AM   #41
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Yeah I was about to post how it was the more black and white nature of the OT that gave it that ability to allow people to accept things more than the PT did, but I also think some of it had to do with the pacing too. It knew where to put the quick moments and where to have the quieter moments and what kind of content needed to be in those moments.

The PT on the other hand had horrible pacing throughout the 3 movies, though some moments were better than others. I mean, now we have to sit through the entire extended podrace part of TPM with the home video version... granted that entire podracing sequence is awesome, but it doesn't actually help the pacing of the movie at all... it kills it. Of course, that's if you ignore the whole opening portion of TPM which tries very hard not to be the action packed beginning of ANH and be more mysterious... which was, unfortunately, a mistake, since, going back to the original point, it made people stop and question what the hell was going on instead of making the pace quick enough for the audience to not have time to question it and immediately accept it.

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Old 02-16-2012, 09:43 AM   #42
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I wouldn't go as far as saying the OT is black and white - there is some nuance there, especially in the actions and motivations of both Han and Lando for example. But I definitely think one of its strengths is that the plot is not overburdened with complexity. There is a lot of stuff going on peripherally, but the central theme is always focused on the struggle of good vs evil. The problem with the prequels is it is pretty much all peripheral stuff with no real solid central plot to tie it all together. You can almost see the the Michael Bay-like thought process of coming up with special effects shots and then hashing a script together around them.
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Like?
Like TPM not having a protagonist. Or all those arguments about "This movie doesn't do X and Y like movie Z. Therefore it's a flaw.", "I don't understand X, therefore it's a flaw", and all the ad hominem over those who like the movies.

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No, I think you'll find there is a fairly wide consensus on the validity of his major claims.
Even if true, that doesn't make his claims any more valid.

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You obviously like the prequels and choose to disagree, but just because you don't see the flaws (or choose to ignore them) doesn't mean they aren't there.
I like the prequels as much as the originals, and I can see flaws in both of them. That doesn't mean all criticism about them is valid or factual.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a stab that you like Qui-Gon? Perhaps his role in the prequels would thus be a suitable topic for a mini-debate as a small slice of the larger argument?
If you feel so. Although I'm not sure how would that be relevant about RLM's so called "flaws".

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His character was meant to mirror Alec Guinness' Obi-Wan in the OT but failed miserably.
I have to disagree. Both Alec Guiness and Liam Neeson give a great characterization and personality of what a mentor is and should be.



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Old 02-16-2012, 10:48 AM   #44
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@ DP: I just meant that the OT presents a more mythological approach, you know who the badguys are and you know who the good guys are from their very presence.

@ Alexrd: I'll make this perfectly clear... I'm not doubting Liam Neeson. No, no, no, NO. I'm doubting Qui-Gon's overall role in TPM. He's an extremely good actor who is working with a very dodgy script, the things about Qui-Gon that are good amounts to his ability as an actor... but that's about it, in the overall scheme of things in everything relating to PT, Qui-Gon is mostly wasted.

Hell, they make better use of his in the episode(s) he appeared in The Clone Wars.

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Leaving aside the merits of Neeson's acting ability, which is a whole other discussion, the character of Qui-Gon is completely superfluous. One of the problems the Plinkett reviews highlight is that Obi-Wan spends half of TPM sitting on the ship doing absolutely nothing (and the rest of the time being a snarky SOB), and then when we get to AOTC, the training of Anakin and the supposed great friendship that developed between the two over the course of their various adventures is just barely hinted at in a couple of lines of dialogue, rather than actually shown. This is all really just to facilitate Qui-Gon's presence and central role in the first film.

What we really needed for the first movie was for the character of Qui-Gon to be excised completely, or at the very least to be given some minor background role (perhaps Obi-Wan could go to him for guidance at some point for a scene or two). The first movie should have had Obi-Wan be much older than he was in TPM, already a Knight and taking on Anakin as his first Padawan right at the start. The movie could then focus on the training of Anakin, with some throwbacks to Luke's training by Yoda in ESB along the way. Trying to mirror Obi-Wan's role in ANH by throwing in Qui-Gon makes no real sense.

Lucas keeps prattling on about all 6 films being about Anakin/Vader (I disagree, but we'll run with it for now). That being the case, the movies should be focused on Anakin's development as a character. Obi-Wan's development should be in service to that, not a central focus of the plot, which I gather was the intention, thus having Qui-Gon be some sort of mirror of ANH Obi-Wan (although he was a poor mirror - ANH Obi-Wan's role was the noble sacrifice of the wise old mentor, Qui-Gon's was apparently just to die like a punk).

Now granted, the problems with the first movie go far beyond just Qui-Gon's role. The fact that Anakin is a kid is a complete stumbling block and was a very bad choice (arguably the biggest misstep in all 3 prequels). Added to that are all the wasted time in things like the pod race that serve no purpose in driving the plot forward, but exist purely as spectacle and filler content. But by forcing Qui-Gon into the mix, we lose out on an opportunity to see things we are otherwise only ever told about and that are completely glossed over. The movie really gains nothing tangible from his presence in return.
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One of the problems the Plinkett reviews highlight is that Obi-Wan spends half of TPM sitting on the ship doing absolutely nothing (and the rest of the time being a snarky SOB),
Ok, how is that a problem? Who is Plinkett to decide that Obi-Wan should be doing whatever he expects he should be doing? The director decided that Obi-Wan should be doing X and Y. That's not a problem. That's how it is. People may like it or not, but that's another matter. It's like saying that I have a problem for having brown eyes, when I should have (due to some imaginary rule created by Plinkett) blue ones.

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and then when we get to AOTC, the training of Anakin and the supposed great friendship that developed between the two over the course of their various adventures is just barely hinted at in a couple of lines of dialogue, rather than actually shown.
So what? It's not shown. The movie focused on showing other things. It's, once again, the imaginary rules of Plinkett. "The movie should be this way. If it's another way, it's a problem or it's wrong."

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This is all really just to facilitate Qui-Gon's presence and central role in the first film.
Maybe because he has a presence and central role in the first film (although Plinkett doesn't want to admit that), Obi-Wan was more in the background, and not the other way around.

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What we really needed for the first movie was for the character of Qui-Gon to be excised completely, or at the very least to be given some minor background role (perhaps Obi-Wan could go to him for guidance at some point for a scene or two). The first movie should have had Obi-Wan be much older than he was in TPM, already a Knight and taking on Anakin as his first Padawan right at the start. The movie could then focus on the training of Anakin, with some throwbacks to Luke's training by Yoda in ESB along the way.
That's a matter of opinion and expectations. Not a problem.

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Trying to mirror Obi-Wan's role in ANH by throwing in Qui-Gon makes no real sense.
To each his own.

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Lucas keeps prattling on about all 6 films being about Anakin/Vader (I disagree, but we'll run with it for now). That being the case, the movies should be focused on Anakin's development as a character.
Just because the saga is the story of Anakin/Vader doesn't mean other characters are not developed, or shouldn't have as much a central role in the movies. When we only had the OT, we perceived it was the story of Luke, but at the same time, we saw the character development of Han. And it was not the case of a secondary character.

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Now granted, the problems with the first movie go far beyond just Qui-Gon's role. The fact that Anakin is a kid is a complete stumbling block and was a very bad choice (arguably the biggest misstep in all 3 prequels).
Anakin was going to be a kid anyway, either 9 or 13/14. In fact, in the book "The Making Of Episode I", Lucas struggled with this problem. If he chooses a 9 years old, the podrace and space battle would loose a bit of credibility, but if he was a 13/14 year old, him leaving his mother wouldn't be as dramatic. He felt that the scene on which he leaves his mother was more important (which in the end turned out to be), so he decided that Anakin was 9. Even though I think Anakin should be a little older, I won't argue that it's a problem.

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Added to that are all the wasted time in things like the pod race that serve no purpose in driving the plot forward, but exist purely as spectacle and filler content.
Or to show Anakin's abilities as a pilot, thus explaining why he could pilot a Naboo starfighter. It's as much spectacle or filler as the Asteroid Chase in TESB, Speeder Bike Chase in ROTJ, etc...

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But by forcing Qui-Gon into the mix, we lose out on an opportunity to see things we are otherwise only ever told about and that are completely glossed over. The movie really gains nothing tangible from his presence in return.
Indeed, we loose that opportunity. But in my opinion we gain the opportunity of seeing other things. By having Qui-Gon we explore not only a completely new character, but at the same time Obi-Wan's too. If it was Obi-Wan alone during most part of the movie, we wouldn't have no character development at all. We also learn details about other views of the Force, how the Jedi works, etc...

But again, it's not the movie's fault if people had different expectations. I had a different expectation for TPM when I watched it for first time. Many were not realized, and many were surpassed. But in the end, these are not flaws. Flaws are plot holes, like the Sifo-Dyas subplot not being explained in RotS like it was promised. Or why Leia went to the Rebel Base when she knew the Falcon was being tracked in ANH. But there is no perfect movie.



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Old 02-17-2012, 04:08 PM   #47
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That's one thing I like about the OT. Good vs. Evil.

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Old 02-25-2012, 04:18 AM   #48
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OT better than the PT.

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1) Except episode 3, that i think that it is the 3 best star wars film after ANH and ESB, the acting in episode 1 and 2 was just horrible.

2) The story is just.... idiotic. I mean the people elect a queen. ( Queen and democracy at the same time? If it was a constitutional monarchy, then okay, but this is unrealistic.).

3) I hated Anakin in episode 1. He should have been older. Also i hated the space battle.

4) In episode 2 there is no friendship between obi-wan and Anakin. I see more fighting between them, than friendship.

5) In all 3 movies the romance dialogues were horrible.

6) GL instead of having a good story, creates a movie based on special effects.

Overall i prefer the OT, although i have to say that RoTS is better than RoTJ. And Qui-Gon is the only good character in the PT.
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:41 AM   #49
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2) The story is just.... idiotic. I mean the people elect a queen. ( Queen and democracy at the same time? If it was a constitutional monarchy, then okay, but this is unrealistic.).
Elective Monarchy. It may differ slightly from real world examples by having everyone on the planet vote for the head of state, but it's not completely unheard of.

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I remember the hype for Ep2/3 more than the movies themselves. I actually got to see ep2 on opening day, which was crazy and fun. I was wicked into ep2 when it was being hyped and it will always have a special special place in my heart. But... I like ep1 on par with the three originals (and I like those four a LOT) but ep2/3 are still in this like twilight zone of expectation/disappointment where I visualized them more likeable before I actually saw them. I don't agree with the article in the OP at all.

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I think Episode 3 would have been great if not for the hamfisted acting ability of Hayden Christensen.

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It's unfair to heap all the blame on the actors. All of the performances were terrible, but obviously there were some excellent actors amongst the cast. The blame should mostly land at the feet of the terrible script and Lucas's complete lack of directorial skills.
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Old 02-27-2012, 10:35 AM   #53
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Yeah, if you have a good director you can get the actor's to do wonderful performances well beyond what they could usually do... that's not the case with Lucas.

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Old 02-27-2012, 12:47 PM   #54
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I'm not so sure Lucas didn't get the performances he wanted from the actors.

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Hayden's performance is undoubtedly hated on too much in my view, because I actually thought it was a good job. The script let it down.


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Lucas is an editor. Has no aptitude for directing, which is obvious in pretty much any interview with cast members discussing the subject and in the various prequel behind-the-scenes documentaries. His general approach seems to be to shoot a bunch of takes with no input and then hack them together in post.
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I like all of the movies, old and new...

I retconned my Pnp RPG character up to the prequels and she is far, far more powerful now than before, got a whole slew of new toys to wreak havok upon the universe with. And I know I will lose my SW cred but, I love you midichlorians! (Yes I know the idea sucks but it helped me, so I love it now. )

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Lucas is an editor. Has no aptitude for directing, which is obvious in pretty much any interview with cast members discussing the subject and in the various prequel behind-the-scenes documentaries. His general approach seems to be to shoot a bunch of takes with no input and then hack them together in post.
The baffling thing is that he got really good performances out of actors before (To pick a non-Star Wars example Paul LeMat in American Graffiti), so what happened? Were the actors he hired before just that good or could Lucas actually direct at some point?
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lol, loved it, totally ruined that entire fight sequence rendering it totally lame. Now whenever I see it if I end up watching TPM again, I'll think of this video XD

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Lol.

Synthesised voices are getting pretty good. If they can smooth out the disjointed way some words are strung together, Lucas will finally have his longed for digital actors.
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Lol.

Synthesised voices are getting pretty good. If they can smooth out the disjointed way some words are strung together, Lucas will finally have his longed for digital actors.
Sorry, he already did that. It's not commonly known, but he turned Samuel L. Jackson into a robot for his role as Mace Windu in the prequels.
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The only watchable prequel movie is Backstroke of the West.

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I've always enjoyed prequels more when I want too see large fights and shiny things, but when im trying to get into a story Epire Strikes Back is for me. I enjoyed Haydens acting but the Anakin in TPM, I cringed . They are meant to appeal to different audiences, and everyone disliking George Lucas (well, some people), hes the one who made the 6 movies.
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People always use that "they're meant to appeal to different audiences" argument a lot... but we all know these were kids movies from the very beginning... well, maybe not parts of RotS, but mostly... *looks around*

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If I'm not mistaken, the original trilogy did attract a huge fan following from the very age bracket the prequels were meant to attract, and did that while being good films.


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If I'm not mistaken, the original trilogy did attract a huge fan following from the very age bracket the prequels were meant to attract, and did that while being good films.
QFT, I got in to the OT when I was 4-5 years old, I didn't need mollycoddling to understand them.


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If I'm not mistaken, the original trilogy did attract a huge fan following from the very age bracket the prequels were meant to attract, and did that while being good films.
That wasn't the point I was making, the point I was making is that GL's vision of what Star Wars is hasn't changed over the years, it's just that his methods have changed.

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If I'm not mistaken, the original trilogy did attract a huge fan following from the very age bracket the prequels were meant to attract, and did that while being good films.
I dunno man, I still feel the shift went towards merchandise like toys at Return of the Jedi. Both IV and V almost feel like completely different movies than VI, I, II and III.

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Thats true. But I don't care, I enjoyed all of them. I don't like comparing, its just 1 big awesome saga. Case closed for me


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I dunno man, I still feel the shift went towards merchandise like toys at Return of the Jedi. Both IV and V almost feel like completely different movies than VI, I, II and III.
This. The mood of the saga totally changed between TESB and RoTJ.

I think the spear-chucking teddy bears had a lot to do with it.


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The other change was his full-on embracing of special effects over actual substance. That actually started before Empire, but there he had the likes of producer Gary Kurtz and director Irvin Kershner keeping him in check. To hear Kurtz tell it, that was the cause of their falling out during the production of Empire, and he subsequently left to work on other projects (like the Dark Crystal). By the time Jedi went into production, Lucas had surrounded himself with yes men rather than people that would challenge him. You can really see this in the behind the scenes footage from the prequels. Nobody has the balls to call him out on anything, even when you can see that they are saying "wtf?" to themselves.
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Yup, Kurtz and Kershner pretty much hijacked TESB.


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Lucas himself admitted pretty explicitly in an interview conducted by Christopher Nolan that he knew nothing of story and didn't even like the idea of storytelling in cinema because he felt that it was cinema trying to be other mediums when the forte of cinema was its visuals. (video of that interview is the first one on the slide show at the bottom of the page)

It's too late now, but what Lucas always needed in his career was another Kershner type figure to work with who could temper his visual storytelling with their character storytelling.

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Old 03-26-2012, 09:53 AM   #78
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Yup, Kurtz and Kershner pretty much hijacked TESB.
And because of that I do love it so.

But I think Lucas does get beat on too much.

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The figurehead always does.

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http://www.slashfilm.com/geroge-luca...ar-wars-movie/

lol, wonder if this is actually real. (that link is from 2007 btw so it's nothing new, but it does go along with what's been said in the thread recently.)

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