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Old 12-07-2014, 04:23 AM   #1
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Happy 10th Birthday KOTOR II: TSL

Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords was released on December 6, 2004. Yesterday was the 10th anniversary of the game. Where has the time gone? It just occurred to me shortly after midnight about the milestone.

Here's to 10 years ago!


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Old 12-07-2014, 04:45 AM   #2
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Whoa... I can't believe it's been a decade. That's crazy!

Matter of fact, Next month marks 10 years since I registered on the forums... it really doesn't seem that long ago.


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Old 12-07-2014, 04:55 AM   #3
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Old 12-07-2014, 11:27 AM   #4
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What a game. Happy Birthday, KotOR2!


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Old 12-07-2014, 02:20 PM   #5
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Happy Birthday and long may it last!


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Old 12-08-2014, 06:11 AM   #6
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What a Game, what a series. Never matched. Happy Birthday TSL!


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Old 12-08-2014, 06:35 AM   #7
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I much rather celebrate it in February (with worldwide and PC-releases), mourning what those 2 little months have done to our game :/
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Old 12-08-2014, 08:44 AM   #8
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Old 12-08-2014, 08:53 AM   #9
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My favourite game, ten years on.



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Old 12-11-2014, 01:55 PM   #10
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Love it just as much now as then.

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Old 12-14-2014, 07:19 AM   #11
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Love it just as much now as then.
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Old 12-22-2014, 08:39 PM   #12
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Happy 10th Birthday, TSL!

I suppose we'll never know from experience what was to become of a K3 by Obsidian.

I just realized, though I was inactive for most of 2007-2008, I've been registered here for 8 years, now. How time flies!


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Old 12-30-2014, 02:45 PM   #13
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Old 01-04-2015, 03:36 AM   #14
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Yeah, almost hard to believe it's been 10 years, even though only 8 since I first played it. Though, sometimes, it feels like it's been that long since I last picked it up. First RPGs I'd ever played were K1 and 2. One of their best features, having played TOR for awhile, is that they AREN'T an mmo.


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Old 02-10-2015, 02:41 AM   #15
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Old 02-10-2015, 11:54 AM   #16
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Is it true that kotor 2 has another anniversary this year I don't mean the annual one but the one worldwide one


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Old 02-13-2015, 09:48 PM   #17
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Geez, 10 years already? Where has the time gone!


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There've been a couple of pieces on KotOR II recently in the gaming/online media, such as This Xbox one. It's pretty short, and the first part makes some decent comments, but the second half, IMO, is just shoddy - in particular this gem:

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The popular belief is that Obsidian were pressured to put the game out in time for Christmas, but we're talking about a game with two gender-exclusive companions, a fully implemented crafting system and a card-playing mini-game. If they'd had an extension, would they have finished what they started, or added a fully featured NPC shaving simulator?
I don't think anyone here needs reminding of the actually established cuts made to the timetable, but some of these objections to new features are ludicrous, given that Pazaak is a holdover from KotOR I. After this, it descends into sneering at d20 and dice-based games. It also attemps to claim KotOR II was the last game to be built on turn-based combat. It's a pity, given that the start of the piece makes some well-founded points about the game's characters, that it descends into halfwitted editorialising.

The better, and much more recent piece is last week's Vertical Slice of TSL's opening:

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This is how Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2 begins. For the big, exciting sequel to what many still call the greatest Star Wars game of all time, it’s not the opening you’d be expecting. In Bioware’s original game, you begin as a seemingly insignificant cadet on a Republic ship thrust into a disastrous battle. Within minutes, you’re in league with the ship’s commanding officer, being hunted by the Sith, and fighting to save a legendary Jedi with whom you seem to have a mysterious connection. It’s exciting, fast, and feels important.

Here, though, you’re alone, irrelevant, and confused. And the game works hard to make sure you stay that way for a while.



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Old 02-19-2015, 12:14 AM   #19
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@Darathy: Or other fans (a dear friend in my case) who initially were aware of those cuts, drifting over time to having forgotten these facts and then echoing the whole "Obsidian screwed up what would have been a good game and (blahblahblah)" nonsense.

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The characters of KOTOR 2 know more than you do, you see, and they're not sharing. Instead, conversations happen naturally, dropping little hints of a greater truth. When you meet Boa-Dur, he calls you General, but doesn't explain why. He also alludes to something that happened during the war, back on Malachor V. That's where it all starts to fall apart.
Doesn't explain why? He told you he made the Mass Shadow Generator and went through on the player's orders to activate it. Did this person even play the game? Also, didn't even bother proofreading.


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By the time you reach Malachor V, everything is petering out. The signs were there from the start: cut content, loot randomly generated rather than placed by hand and oh so many bugs. The ending violates the "show, don't tell" rule so hard you can almost hear the money running out.
Money running out? I assume you have good evidence to support this notion, or at least some kind of news article?

Fact: timetable for K1 was 36 months. Timetable for K2 was 12 months.

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Seriously? Who made this guy an authority figure on star wars?

So the typical black and white story mechanic for SW is convoluted for not being real enough, yet grey morality in contrast is also convoluted and "too sophisticated"? I thought the overly simplistic story approach was a general gripe of star wars?

Sounds like you're using an extension of the special pleading fallacy which I call the double edge fallacy: no matter what a person, group or published piece does, it will never be "good enough". So much for consistency.

Maybe you'd care to actually try out the TSLRCM? Of course, ONLY if you have any TIME for the PC version.

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Old 03-09-2015, 07:28 AM   #20
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A slightly more interesting take on TSL with AV Club's "What are you playing this weekend":

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The best part is Kreia. She’s a creepy, stern old woman, whom it’s implied is a former Sith lord, brought to life by English actress Sara Kestelman. ...



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Old 03-09-2015, 08:18 AM   #21
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I think the rather mild popularity of KotOR 2 (in the grander world of gaming with its Grand Theft Autos and Call of Doodies) has meant Kreia has always been a bit overlooked when people make their lists of best characters in games. She occasionally gets the appreciation such a character deserves, but never enough, if you ask me. Avellone wrote her perfectly, and Sara Kestelman voiced her brilliantly.

On that note, if you find any interviews with Kestelman where she talks about her work in KotOR2, be sure to post it. Haven't been able to find anything myself.


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Old 03-22-2015, 03:28 AM   #22
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Oh darn it! K2 is 10 years, really? I was 29 back then, still 29 today, just like Jae!
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Old 03-22-2015, 09:59 AM   #23
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Oh darn it! K2 is 10 years, really? I was 29 back then, still 29 today, just like Jae!
We are obviously all still in our 20s. Over 30? ha ha as if, I'm still young, fun, and down with the kids



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Old 04-05-2015, 11:43 PM   #24
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Happy birthday, TSL!

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