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Old 08-13-2001, 11:22 PM   #1
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Why was Qui-Gon burned as opposed to disappearing like Obi-Wan and Yoda? I never understood this. Could anyone clear it up?


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Old 08-13-2001, 11:25 PM   #2
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I might be mistaken but it might have somehthing to do with chosing to die and not chosing to die. Obiwan and Yoda both chose to die while quigon and vader did not. Like i said, this is just an idea.


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Old 08-13-2001, 11:33 PM   #3
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to an extent true...it also has to do with being prepared...vader and qui gon werent prepared to die so they could not become one with the force and all that...while obi wan and yoda were so...


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Old 08-13-2001, 11:52 PM   #4
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I always assumed that, Dante.

I just hope Lucas doesn't wussy out and explain it by saying it's something that you have to have tought to you.
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I have definitely not been keping up with current SW info. But I believe after episode 1, either George or Rick said that they'll explain it in the future.
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Old 08-14-2001, 01:32 AM   #6
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Please don't reveal anything about Ep. 2 in this thread, as I am trying not to learn anything about it. Thanks

With that said...Are you sure Vader didn't disappear? I was under the impression (from reading the books) that a Jedi could "push out" his mind an instant before death to allow his spirit to live on in our world. It was explained as a Jedi "linking his mind" to an individual who was present. That was why Luke could see Yoda and Obi-Wan's ghosts (or apparitions if you want to be technical) throughout the movies. This brings up the point that he also saw Anakin's apparition at the end of ROTJ. Maybe Vader had enough time to link himself to Luke. It was fairly long (relatively speaking) from when he got electrocuted and when he actually died. Maybe Qui-Gon just didn't have enough strength after he got run through by Maul to "push out" his spirit. Maybe disappearing has something to do with not having a spirit in the body anymore, and so the body just disappeares (A body can not live without the mind etc).

In the book that took place right after ROTJ ended (Courtship of Princess Leia perhaps?) it starts off with Luke on top of a Coruscant building. Obi-Wan's apparition comes to him one last time to tell him he can't speak with him anymore. He needs to move on. Maybe if a Jedi "pushes out his mind" it's just like holding on a little bit longer, and afterward you go into the Force fully. Qui-Gon probably just went directly into it.

Everything I just said could be completely wrong , I just thought I'd throw it out there. What do you think?

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Old 08-14-2001, 01:33 AM   #7
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It was a funeral Pyre, the same way luke burnt Vader, in ROTJ, so that is why, its like a sign of last respect. i can't figure out why he dinnae disappear..




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Old 08-14-2001, 01:55 AM   #8
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I would say he didn't disappear because he wasn't a Jedi Master. Remember? He wasn't on the Jedi Council. I think you have to go through something(which I'm sure they will reveal in episode 3 probably with Obi-Wan becoming a Jedi Master, NOT A JEDI KNIGHT LIKE QUI-GON) to become a Jedi Master. Yoda was, Vader was, and Obi was. Just an assumption, but it makes sense to me.
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Old 08-14-2001, 03:57 AM   #9
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Uhhhh, Qui-gon WAS a jedi master, he could of been on the council, but he was a maverick, and his thinking on all life forms, and "being led by the force" differed from the councils, that is why he was not admited to the council. Also Anakin doesnt ever make it jedi knight (he turns evil just before) so he couldnt have been on the council, but never the less he was a sith lord, mastered the sith, NOT jedi arts.
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Old 08-14-2001, 04:14 AM   #10
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I think it was announced that its a learned skill. Kepping your personality intact when you die.


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Old 08-14-2001, 04:32 AM   #11
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Read the opening sequence of TPM, it says "Dispatched 2 JEDI KNIGHTS", not Jedi masters bub. So Qui-Gon was not a master, he was a knight, like it or not. And for Vader, he was a Jedi Master of Evil.
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Old 08-14-2001, 10:47 AM   #12
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I believe that a Jedi Master can be referred to as a Jedi Knight.

Jedi Knight is a universal term used to describe Jedi, be the person Master or Apprentice.

If you want to get technical, the start of TPM should have said 'Dispatched a Jedi Master and his Apprentice'. Obviously, '2 Jedi Knights' sound better.
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Old 08-14-2001, 11:10 AM   #13
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Yes, I agree with Simpson.
Slowbie, your point is just bull, you know.
Yeah, it says "To Jedi Knights", but if we're to follow your reasoning, that means that Obi-Wan was a Jedi KNIGHT, as well, and he was only an Apprentice at the time.
Like it or not, Qui-Gon was a Jedi Master.

I don't believe that the disappearance thingy has anything to do with the exact title of the person.
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Old 08-14-2001, 11:28 AM   #14
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during episode 3 they find a new force power for jedis no dark jedis well thats what i think
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Old 08-14-2001, 11:30 AM   #15
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Do you want to make other films? And why does Qui-Gon Jinn not disappear like the other Jedis do when they die?

The Qui-Gon Jinn thing you will discover as time goes on. There is a whole issue around that and the ability to disappear. The key line to understanding this is when Ben Kenobi tells Darth Vader, "If you try to strike me down, I will become..."
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Old 08-14-2001, 11:47 AM   #16
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heh who cares, thier dead... so u guys want kyle to fade away when he gets killed by a massive group of stormies, or jus rot thier on the ground like he always does.
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Old 08-14-2001, 04:55 PM   #17
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Heh. Point taken Red, but the Jedi have been around for millenia. Heck, Yoda's been alive almost a millenium by himself! You think someone would have figured out that you can preserve your conciousness sometime before then. If the movies do explain it later, that's great, but that doesn't mean we can't speculate right? There is another option. Qui-Gon maybe was not strong enough in the Force to disappear, but that is unlikely. The only way that could POSSIBLY be correct was if he didn't specialize in that sort of calling on the Force. But also seems untrue, because Qui-Gon is repeatedly referred to as a master of the "Living Force" and even though this happens at a Jedi's death, it certainly seems to fall under this category. I mean, it's not defense, or attack or anything.

And is it a power at all? I mean, is there
"Force disappear"? If so, what purpose would it have? Jedi rarely do anything just for show, it normally means something. Disappearing really doesn't seem to have much meaning except for being flashy unless it's impossible NOT to disappear. In which case, we are brought back to our original question..."Why didn't Qui-Gon just disappear like everyone else?" Man, this isn't getting very far.


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Old 08-14-2001, 05:06 PM   #18
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vader DOES disappear, his suit is burned tho.

go to http://www.starwars.com and look at ask the "ask the coucil", doug chang explains all this anyway I think, its either him or one of the other bigwigs..

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Old 08-14-2001, 05:59 PM   #19
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I'm sorry Mr. Lucas, I mean Qui-Gone-Jinn (sarcastic), you are right. Give me a break will ya. You don't know jack, just like I don't know jack. At this point any one of our opinions could be right, because there is no right answer. Only time will tell, but remember, it's just a movie.
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Old 08-14-2001, 09:38 PM   #20
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heh, i didn't even see quigon burn, i bet they had to bury him the next day, notice that his beard doesn't burn!
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Old 08-14-2001, 11:11 PM   #21
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well, you know of course, jedi hair has a much higher spontanious combustion threashold than normal hair, i would assume that goes for skin as well...

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Old 08-15-2001, 02:33 AM   #22
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Uhhh, Slowbie i have a site that WILL clear it all up for such a confused individual as yourself. Offical StarWars Site

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A venerable if maverick Jedi Master, Qui-Gon Jinn is a student of the living Force. Unlike other Jedi Masters, who often lose themself in the meditation of the unifying Force, Qui-Gon Jinn lived for the moment, espousing a philosophy of "feel, don't think -- use your instincts." Were it not for Qui-Gon's unruly views, he would have undoubtedly been on the Jedi Council.

At the behest of Supreme Chancellor Valorum, Qui-Gon and his Padawan apprentice Obi-Wan Kenobi journeyed to Naboo to settle the trade dispute that threatened the peaceful world. Aboard a Trade Federation battleship, the Jedi were ambushed, but they managed to escape to Naboo's surface.

In the swamplands of Naboo, Qui-Gon rescued a clumsy Gungan outcast, Jar Jar Binks, who swore a life-debt to the Jedi. Qui-Gon's compassionate nature was such that he took the strange alien under his protection. With his help, they journeyed to the city of Theed. There, they freed Queen Amidala and her retinue from the clutches of the Trade Federation, and set off to deliver her safely to Coruscant.

During the trip to the capital, damaged sustained to the Royal Starship forced an unscheduled stop on the Outer Rim world of Tatooine. There, Qui-Gon discovered a young slave boy named Anakin Skywalker, who was strong in the Force. Sensing the boy's potential, Qui-Gon liberated Anakin from slavery. During their departure from Tatooine, Qui-Gon was nearly killed by a dark warrior, whom he suspected to be a Sith Lord.

The Jedi Master then traveled to Coruscant to present Anakin to the Jedi Council. The Council, however, felt Anakin's future seemed clouded and uncertain, and deemed the boy too old to begin training and dangerously full of fear and anger. They refused to allow Qui-Gon to train Anakin, but the Jedi Master nevertheless kept the boy as his ward as he returned to Naboo.

On Naboo, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan confronted the Sith Lord Darth Maul, Qui-Gon's attacker from the desert. Maul proved a deadly and fearsome opponent. Together, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon fended off the Sith Lord's attacks, but as the battle progressed, Master and apprentice became separated. Maul pressed his advantage, wearing down Qui-Gon's defenses and ultimately killing the Jedi Master. Obi-Wan then defeated Maul, but nothing could save Qui-Gon. With his last breath, the Jedi Master asked Obi-Wan to train Anakin, a request Kenobi accepted.

A short time later, the Jedi Master's body was cremated at a funeral attended by numerous mourners, including Anakin, Obi-Wan, Jar Jar, and several Jedi Council members.


let me point out the important part, ONE MORE TIME, since you seem to be a "slow" one

A venerable if maverick Jedi Master, Qui-Gon Jinn is a student of the living Force. Unlike other Jedi Masters, who often lose themself in the meditation of the unifying Force, Qui-Gon Jinn lived for the moment, espousing a philosophy of "feel, don't think -- use your instincts." Were it not for Qui-Gon's unruly views, he would have undoubtedly been on the Jedi Council.

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Old 08-15-2001, 02:40 AM   #23
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Big Deal. I never said I was right. It's called an opinion.
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Old 08-15-2001, 05:19 PM   #24
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Originally posted by Slowbie One
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So Qui-Gon was not a master, he was a knight, like it or not. And for Vader, he was a Jedi Master of Evil.
Sounds very much like a statement to me!
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Old 08-15-2001, 06:08 PM   #25
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and a bold statement at that...Qui-Gon was a master in all but name...when he was before the council they asked his opinion...last time i read any thing masters dont ask juniors for opinions...


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