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Old 02-27-2002, 05:43 AM   #1
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Force rage????

Can someone tell me about force rage a little bit more, from what i heard this will slighty increase speed and strength temporaly.
However is it passive, or selective?

It seems that raven put some thought into this as it is perfect in the sense, where this seems to happen in the movies, where someone can use the force to temporaily increase speed and strength.
Im sure you guys can think of some examples but the main one would be when luke used his hateful feelings become stronger and faster enough to beat his father in rotj.


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Old 02-27-2002, 06:12 AM   #2
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What I understand is that when using it, your health goes to ~1, but you have massive strength and force power ... so you can use it to mutilate enemies, but a hangnail will kill you
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Old 02-27-2002, 06:28 AM   #3
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Thumbs up Multiplayer...

Its also a MULTIPLAYER ONLY POWER!!!!

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Old 02-27-2002, 06:55 AM   #4
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Thanks for that reminder, Qel ... I had forgotten that ...
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Old 02-27-2002, 11:11 AM   #5
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I hadn't even heard of this power. Boy, am I lost.


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Old 02-27-2002, 11:26 AM   #6
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sigh.. for the LAST time

/geek rant

luke didnt defeat Vader. he became a true jedi when he restrained from killing him.

kinda the whole point of the scene

/end geek rant


seriously, force rage sounds really cool for multiplayer. cant wait to use it


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Old 02-27-2002, 01:06 PM   #7
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Hehe if you're good and you combine your powers well, you'll develop "Force Rape."
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Old 02-27-2002, 01:20 PM   #8
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Old 02-27-2002, 01:22 PM   #9
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Old 02-27-2002, 01:27 PM   #10
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Old 02-27-2002, 02:54 PM   #11
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What I understand is that when using it, your health goes to ~1, but you have massive strength and force power ... so you can use it to mutilate enemies, but a hangnail will kill you
hehe. That [hangnails] would be a good candidate for 'worst new feature'!

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Old 02-27-2002, 03:02 PM   #12
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"Ah geez.. my nail's stuck between the saber ignating switch.. *tear* OH NO! A HANGNAIL! *dies* lol ^^" I can already see it happen.
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Old 02-27-2002, 03:22 PM   #13
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Re: sigh.. for the LAST time

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luke didnt defeat Vader. he became a true jedi when he restrained from killing him.

kinda the whole point of the scene
The way i see it, it wasn't Luke's rage and anger that caused him to defeat vader, but rather his love for his sister, Leia. Thats the whole point of the scene, love triumphs over hate. Get it? Love v. Hate, Light v. Dark.


Anyways...i think that it would make a decent multiplayer force power, but it would be very risky and almost worthless in MP. One hit isn't alot, and you could easily loose the entire level just because of a force power.

BTW, does it refill your health to what it was before after it finishes?


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Old 02-27-2002, 03:23 PM   #14
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Bwhahaha, that would be funny, will this 'force rage' make your saber more powerful against other siths or will it just make you faster?

is there even fists in JO?


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Old 02-27-2002, 03:37 PM   #15
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No fists.
Oh and Force Rage is multiplayer only.. ^.^ and BTW.. It can be very useful when used in the right hands. Think about it, that boost of strenght and speed could give you the edge in the duel and you manage to land that winning blow first. Ofcourse then you can use the remaining time of that boosted speed to QUICKLY run to the nearest health pack.
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Old 02-27-2002, 04:47 PM   #16
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Ye, that would be usefull in de ol' Jedi Knight with the 2 hit saber damage kill thing, because if you get hit once in BGJ there's no chance for you to make it alive through another hit anyway so just use rage. I guess it's just a 'last resort' power.
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Old 02-27-2002, 04:50 PM   #17
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I kind of miss the fact that there won't be fists in MP. Who here hasn't screwed around once or twice while playing JK/Mots with a good old fashioned boxing match? I always thought it was kind of fun to do that...oh, the good old days...


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Old 02-27-2002, 05:24 PM   #18
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Actually it wasnt luke becoming a jedi or love for his sister, but rather just a way to convey mark hamill's bad acting skills.


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Old 02-27-2002, 05:42 PM   #19
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And I suppose you're the consumate actor? Having done a fair amount of acting, I can say that it's not as easy as it may appear.

And to be honest, I'd say that Mark gave his best performance as Luke during Return of the Jedi. Is he a Robert De Niro or Ed Norton? Clearly not, but I don't feel he's as bad as you're implying. And I'd even say that he does a fair job as Luke.


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Old 02-27-2002, 06:16 PM   #20
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And he's one of the best voice actors out there right now. The Joker anyone?


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Old 02-27-2002, 07:24 PM   #21
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Force rage sounds like a dark side power. Arn't light side jedi supposed to control anger and fear and sith knights use it?
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Old 02-27-2002, 08:08 PM   #22
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Maybe, but remember on EP1 obiwan lost control over his emotions (kinda like jedi rage) and went all out with darthmaul wich in resulted in his fantastic death

but even tho he was fighting with anger he was doing it cause of the love he felt for his mentor, Qui gon who had just been given a fatel blow.


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Old 02-27-2002, 09:02 PM   #23
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YA!!!

No more fists=peace remember that


fists=peace

wow that takes us back.


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Old 02-27-2002, 09:03 PM   #24
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Hehe if you're good and you combine your powers well, you'll develop "Force Rape."
Gee, is that a "passive" Force power?


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Old 02-27-2002, 09:13 PM   #25
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ESE_SithEmperor, LOL!!! Yes, how could I forget:

fists=peace

...boy, that really takes me back


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Old 02-27-2002, 10:20 PM   #26
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the good ol' days indeed

<sigh>...stun baton=peace just doesn't have the same ring to it...


Um...this is where I would put something clever and witty, if i could come up with anything. Instead, I'll put this enlightening and peaceful emoticon:
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Old 02-27-2002, 10:27 PM   #27
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Dead bodies=peace sounds better


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"Well DNA test shows neative oh well I guess I can kill you after all good bye" - Darth Vadder

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*Vader swings his saber cutting of lukes head*
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Old 02-27-2002, 11:05 PM   #28
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They'll probably do what they do in SBX unlit sabers = peace.
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Old 02-27-2002, 11:06 PM   #29
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Maybe

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"Luke, I not sure if I am your Father let me check up on that." - Darth Vadder

"Ok" - Lukke

"Well DNA test shows neative oh well I guess I can kill you after all good bye" - Darth Vadder

"Oh Wait NOOOOOO!!"

*Vader swings his saber cutting of lukes head*
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Old 02-28-2002, 12:37 AM   #30
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yea, fists=peace takes me back, well, about 2 hours back when i was playing JK... hehe

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Old 02-28-2002, 12:55 AM   #31
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Maybe, but remember on EP1 obiwan lost control over his emotions (kinda like jedi rage) and went all out with darthmaul wich in resulted in his fantastic death

but even tho he was fighting with anger he was doing it cause of the love he felt for his mentor, Qui gon who had just been given a fatel blow.
Ok, I play the Star Wars RPG as a gamemaster so I've had a lot of time/experience with determining darkside etc. Allow me to shed some light on this for you...

Obi-Wan was headed toward the darkside when he went beserk on Darth Maul. That was anger, fear, aggression. Remember? However, Maul was not only a better fighter, he was more attuned with the darkside, so he still managed to beat Obi and knock him halfway down the hole. This part's for you Vagabond! If you watch real close, you see Ewan McGregor have what's called (in acting at least) a moment of discovery. This is when he's down the bottom of the hole hanging on for dear life. Darth Maul is mocking him from above. Because Ewan McGregor is such a great actor, all in one close up camera shot, you can tell that Obi-Wan realizes he was headed to the dark side, he cannot win, and heads back in the direction of the lightside of the Force. After he composes himself enough, he pulls himself out of the pit while pulling Qui-Gon's saber to him and slices through a very suprised Darth Maul.

So in conclusion (since this is practically an essay), even if you are doing bad for a good reason (Obi getting angry about Darth Maul killing Qui-Gon), it's still the dark side. After all, no man believes he is truly evil, even if to others he may seem so.


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Old 02-28-2002, 02:21 AM   #32
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<font color=cbcbff> Damned right, Moses. I'm still a little unclear on where this info on Force Rage came from?
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Old 02-28-2002, 07:18 AM   #33
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Re: sigh.. for the LAST time

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/geek rant

luke didnt defeat Vader. he became a true jedi when he restrained from killing him.

kinda the whole point of the scene

/end geek rant


seriously, force rage sounds really cool for multiplayer. cant wait to use it
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luke didnt defeat Vader. he became a true jedi when he restrained from killing him.

kinda the whole point of the scene
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The way i see it, it wasn't Luke's rage and anger that caused him to defeat vader, but rather his love for his sister, Leia. Thats the whole point of the scene, love triumphs over hate. Get it? Love v. Hate, Light v. Dark.




The emperor came down and said your hate makes you strong, luke realize how much he almost given into the darkside. Love for his sister will then come to hate as hes not just thinking of leia but himself and all his father has done.

Your hate has meant your powerful


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Old 02-28-2002, 10:10 AM   #34
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fists=peace.. haha ^_^" good times... but then ofcourse that were those that would take advantage of that and make a suprise punch or something. (and who knows.. odds are ppl end up making a "fists" mod so that fists=peace can be introduced again LOL)
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Old 02-28-2002, 10:30 AM   #35
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I disagree - Luke's love for his sister is not at all the point of the scene.

The final confrontation between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor is the climax of the entire saga. This was the moment Luke had been preparing for his entire life, why Obi-Wan and Yoda had so carefully trained him - this was his destiny - to confront his father.

But Luke could still sense the good in his father, and couldn't bring himself to fight him, so he withdrew. The threat by Vader made to Leia was the only thing that could incite Luke to attack his father. And although his love for his sister is what motivated him - the scene was all about hate - it was what Obi-Wan and Yoda feared most: that he would start down the dark path, like his father before him. And so Luke gave into his hate, drew upon the Dark Side, and in his rage became more powerful than his father. Having cut off his father's hand, with him lying helpless on the ground before him, Luke prepared for the killing blow, as the Emperor egged him on.

And then something unexpected happened. Luke saw his father's broken body, his severed mechanical hand, and then he flexed his own mechanical hand. This was the pivotal moment of Luke's character. He stood at the edge of the abyss, his next move being the one that would seal his fate. His hate had made him powerful, and his anger seductively urged him to cross over to the Dark Side. But as he looked at his father's hand and then his own, he realized that he was about to make the same mistake his father had made - he'd remembered his training. And so he eased back from the edge, and turned his back on the Dark Side, passing his final test. Luke was a Jedi.

The events to follow would have Anakin fulfill his destiny as the Chosen One, destroying the Emperor and the Sith Order, sacrificing his life in the process because of his love for his son, and thereby earning redemption for his immortal soul. Thus was fulfilled the ancient Jedi Prophecy, thereby bringing balance to the Force.


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Old 02-28-2002, 02:27 PM   #36
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The events to follow would have Anakin fulfill his destiny as the Chosen One, destroying the Emperor and the Sith Order, sacrificing his life in the process because of his love for his son, and thereby earning redemption for his immortal soul. Thus was fulfilled the ancient Jedi Prophecy, thereby bringing balance to the Force.
LOL! I always thought that the "balance" was that he killed (almost) all the lightside jedi

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Old 02-28-2002, 03:14 PM   #37
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Hmmm... I always thought that the only reason why Vader got defeated by Luke was becuase Vader couldn't bring himself to kill Luke, and that the emporeror was using all of his power to make Luke defeat Vader... Because he knew that if Luke would kill his father out of anger that he would be hopelessly in the darkside. But if Vader were to kill Luke, then Luke would've died as a true Jedi, which wouldn't been a sore blow to Palpitine. Also, Vader was torn between his love for his son, and the power of the Darkside, so he wasn't fighting at his best..

I mean, Vader was the chosen one, and had been a sith for about 40 years, I'd imagine he'd be alittle better then a 2 year trainee .

Also, remember when Papitine started electrocuting Luke, he was completely helpless, but when Vader picked up the Emporeror and dropped him into the pit he was still able to stand (while being electrocuted...).
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Old 02-28-2002, 04:53 PM   #38
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Luke was his father's son, and as noted by both Obi-Wan and Yoda, was also very strong with the force, being nearly if not as powerful as Vader. Was he less skilled? Definitely. But that doesn't matter when using the Dark Side - it's quicker, faster, more seductive. And note that when Luke was in his rage, he demonstrated very little skill - he swung his lightsaber like a club channeling the raw power of the Dark Side to defeat Vader.

Remember, this is an epic story centered around, Good, Evil, Destiny, and Redemption.

Vader didn't fall to Luke merely because of his mixed emotions. He was destined to fall - he was meant to fall. Just as Luke's entire story arc had been building to this moment, when he would finally come face to face with the Dark Side. This was his destiny - to face his father's decision - to face his father's destiny. He was meant to make that choice. And for those few moments as he flexed his mechanical hand, unsure, the fate of the force and the galaxy hung in the balance. Despite the seductive lure of the Dark Side, Luke did not turn, would not turn. He had played his part.

Vader, though weak from his battle with Luke, was moved by the devotion of his only son. Luke was the only one who could bring Vader back from the darkness - no other. And it was only Vader, moved by the love of his son, who could destroy the Emperor, fulfilling his destiny.

It's both tragic, yet hopeful. The fallen Jedi, responsible for so much pain and suffering, saved his son, and in doing so saved a galaxy. And by offering his life, earned his redemption.


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Old 02-28-2002, 05:50 PM   #39
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Rage
Duration 10-30 seconds

Effect Frenzy of speed; drains your health; healing time matches usage

Level 1 10-second Rage; 10-second health recovery

Level 2 20-second Rage; 20-second health recovery

Level 3 30-second Rage; 30-second health recovery

Dark Rage (more powerful Rage) Fire 33% faster; move 2x faster; decrease damage taken by 50%; can't die. Recovery after Dark Rage: Fire 50% slower; move at 75% normal speed
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Old 02-28-2002, 06:01 PM   #40
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Yea, sure, next you'll be telling me that Luke was his sister's brother!! Go and make up things somewhere else!
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