Trailer II Discussion - Page 4

Harbinger · 03-14-2002, 03:01 AM

I hope we get a response on Syko's question about using force powers.

I hated cycling through all the force powers or reaching across the keyboard to just make a force jump. It's probably the only thing I'm really worried about concering this game.

The Raven response to only using the basic six keys for all the acrobatics was very encouraging.

I hope we'll see these buttons all close together, in a very accessable position:

Up, Down, Strafe Left, Strafe Right
Jump, Crouch
Use Force Power

I think the mouse wheel would be best for cycling through force powers while weapon cycling would be better fit for the number keys.

In the trailer, the player seemed to use force powers very fluidly, without the need to pause to look through his/her force power list.

Dark Cloak · 03-14-2002, 03:03 AM

While I don't think it completely nessicary(sp) to have blood and guts all over the place (I think JK2 can do WITHOUT gibbing people), I DO remember MANY times in Jedi Knight when I'd cut off the arm of an enemy, and it would fall the ground, trailing blood behind it. I remember the first time I did that, and I said to myself, "HA! I found blood a Star Wars game!"

... :|

But yeah, I remember what it was like to play Rune, and get a head shot. The head pops off and goes flying. I can't argue with that...it was pretty neat. I think, because Lightsabers cut through virtually anything...that there is no real problem with having an arm or a leg, or a pinky finger here and there come shooting past Kyle's head when he cuts it off...and making a little bullet pining noise. :| Okay, so maybe that would be corny. Leave that out. But an arm or leg, or the head...that would be pretty neat. Maybe with not all the blood (lightsabres, I think might cauterize(sp) the wound), though.
Now for the real question...those of you who understood a word of what I just said, raise your hand.

Hoowl · 03-14-2002, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Harbinger
I hope we get a response on Syko's question about using force powers.

I hated cycling through all the force powers or reaching across the keyboard to just make a force jump. It's probably the only thing I'm really worried about concering this game.

The Raven response to only using the basic six keys for all the acrobatics was very encouraging.

I hope we'll see these buttons all close together, in a very accessable position:

Up, Down, Strafe Left, Strafe Right
Jump, Crouch
Use Force Power

I think the mouse wheel would be best for cycling through force powers while weapon cycling would be better fit for the number keys.

In the trailer, the player seemed to use force powers very fluidly, without the need to pause to look through his/her force power list.

I agree the wheel may be best suited for cycling though the force powers. With the saber being such a key weapon it is unlikely you will want to use anything else very often.

I hope i can assign actions to the extra side buttons on my intelli mouse explorer like i could in Max Payne.

Necro · 03-14-2002, 04:27 AM

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Originally posted by Hoowl

I hope i can assign actions to the extra side buttons on my intelli mouse explorer like i could in Max Payne.

me 2, but q3a dont allow it cause somehow i heard ppl cheat with em o_O

Force Master · 03-14-2002, 04:36 AM

You guys have all seen it and I haven't. Its not fair I tells ya. I have to wait till I get home (in about 6 hours from now).

I wanna see it now......

*looks at watch*

*cries*

Force Master

03-14-2002, 04:37 AM

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoke

That last level where the dark jedi is, we've seen like a billion shots of... no i don't think it's that carbon chamber (which was in mots anyway...) i think it's a similar sort of thing but not that exactly. Maybe though.

Anyway, over all... quite dope. A lot of good stuff!

It is the carbon chamber. It's been said a million times over that you go to Cloud City looking for Lando.

BlackDragon · 03-14-2002, 06:14 AM

...about the release date.

March 29th?

Isn't that Good Friday?

Don't know about the US or anywhere else, but that's a bank holiday in the UK. Don't think many shops are going to be open!

What's the story then? Are we actually going to have to wait until the 30th?

Where's my calendar?

Belgirion · 03-14-2002, 06:40 AM

yes I have no school on good friday! Gotta love catholic schools

Anakin · 03-14-2002, 06:40 AM

1. Retailers have the option to open up Sunday opening hours, thats usualy 10am-4pm or 10:30am to 4:30pm
2.Yes its good Friday
3.HMV, EB, Woolworths, Dixons are usualy open on a BankHoliday.

Anakin · 03-14-2002, 06:47 AM

Oh BTW- does any one have a direct link or a mirror for the site, I cant install QT here at work, and I have BraodBand here so it will go like the clappers unlike at home!!
PM me with a link thx.

Hoowl · 03-14-2002, 06:47 AM

A monday is easter monday so those of us who work get an extra long weekend to enjoy some wholesome lightsaber fun.

BlackDragon · 03-14-2002, 08:22 AM

Anakin,

Have you tried downloading the offline installer from the Quicktime site? It means you can install without having to be connected to the web?

Or is that you can't download anything at all at work?

(I had similar problems!)

TUS_Tomcat · 03-14-2002, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by Hoowl

I hope i can assign actions to the extra side buttons on my intelli mouse explorer like i could in Max Payne.

You can do that in any game.

Now before you start: "No i cant do it in this and that" let me finish

Bind the function you want on one of hte buttons to a key like F4 or another function key.

Then tell the mouse, with the software, to use that key not as back or forward but as, you guessed it, F4 or a function key.

Kx_Dra_Sycdan · 03-14-2002, 09:28 AM

OMG i just got done watching it...that was awesome.

Well you've all pretty much covered what was cool in the trailer, but how about Jan Ors...She was going off in MP, that was cool, Finally some true saber combat.

And of course it will me be in my hands and on my PC March 31st. WooHoo.....shibby

Desslock · 03-14-2002, 09:48 AM

I guess everyone had multiple orgasms over this trailer

I think you will be able to push back people who are using Force Rage or Pull them and move out of the way, sending them flying off a cliff

If not, you could use grip continously until his Rage expires or if you have level 3, you can just place him over an edge, and wait for the grip to expire

or you could jump to a higher ledge because Im pretty sure you cant use force powers when you have Rage on so its appearent Rage is going to be a power used only in certain circumstances when you know it will be effective.

Oh my Grip push and pull are going to make for some hilarious scenarios

Anakin · 03-14-2002, 09:49 AM

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Anakin,

Have you tried downloading the offline installer from the Quicktime site? It means you can install without having to be connected to the web?

Or is that you can't download anything at all at work?

(I had similar problems!)

I can download anything and everything- Oh the joys of broadband- but I cant install things- poxy Admin privalages

It would save my poor 56k at home trying to get it...

Pipe Smoke · 03-14-2002, 10:42 AM

I know you go to Bespin in the game, and I know it looks very similar to the carbon chamber... but, doesn't it look like a related area or something? and not quite the actual deal? it's designed quite a bit differently than it was in MOTS *or* the movie if I recall.

And some tell-tale stuff seems to be missing, like... the carbon freezing pit?

*shrug*

nykel007 · 03-14-2002, 10:44 AM

People you'll can rest easy, I am here

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Great trailer!!!!!. That all I can say. Can't wait to see the mods that come out for this game.

Keiran Halcyon · 03-14-2002, 10:59 AM

Jan ors in the Star destroyer is wearing a purple extended lightsaber?

The_One · 03-14-2002, 11:08 AM

March 29th? But I want it now!

Brilliant stuff Raven boys, this better come out in the UK on time, as that's in my holiday...

*Invisiges himself locked away playing JK2 all holiday*

Keiran Halcyon · 03-14-2002, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Keiran_Halcyon
Jan ors in the Star destroyer is wearing a purple extended lightsaber?

Opinions please!!!!!!!!

TUS_Tomcat · 03-14-2002, 11:49 AM

Her saber is purple yes.

Is that a problem?

Necro · 03-14-2002, 11:49 AM

/me drools over the trailer of the 50th time

Keiran Halcyon · 03-14-2002, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by TUS_Tomcat
Her saber is purple yes.

Is that a problem?

EXTENDED LIGHTSABER means long as vader is suposed t have... the one in SBX....

ChangKhan[RAVEN] · 03-14-2002, 12:02 PM

Force jump is the same key as the jump key, very easy to use.

Force powers can be bound to individual keys and/or you can bind 2 keys to scroll through them and 1 key to use the selected force power. I, personally, bind the most common (push and pull) ones to keys close to my movement keys, the ones I use a little less (lightning, grip) are still fairly close and the ones I only have to use in certain circumstances (heal, mind trick, speed) are still within finger-reach... (my config is the arrow keys for movement, rshift for crouch, rctrl for jump and numpad for force powers)...

Sneeze · 03-14-2002, 12:06 PM

hiya guys

don't think this has been mentioned, but at 01:13 the player is struck with a sabre by an other player with force rage and the strike takes away 35 shield points... as opose to doing direct damage, bypassing shields.

ps2maddenman · 03-14-2002, 12:08 PM

Cool, another Raven post, you guys rock!

I didn't think it would be a problem assigning the force powers to the keyboard for easy use, but posts like yours helps us get pumped up!

ChangKhan[RAVEN] why is the scoring like 400+ points in the Capture the Ysalimari part of the video, were you guys playing a very very long game, or is the scoring alot higher in this mode? thx in advance.

TUS_Tomcat · 03-14-2002, 12:09 PM

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Originally posted by ChangKhan[RAVEN]
(my config is the arrow keys for movement, rshift for crouch, rctrl for jump and numpad for force powers)...

I hope that isnt the default config! lol

TUS_Tomcat · 03-14-2002, 12:17 PM

You make the call... It does look a bit longer

ps2maddenman · 03-14-2002, 12:26 PM

I think it is longer only because it is closer to the camera viewpoint (perspective issue.)

Saient · 03-14-2002, 12:44 PM

Is the red glowing stuff around the Jan Ors Character up in those screens some kind of Quad Damage for Jedi Knight II?

just wondering

JaledDur · 03-14-2002, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Saient
Is the red glowing stuff around the Jan Ors Character up in those screens some kind of Quad Damage for Jedi Knight II?

just wondering

Its Force Rage.

And I don't think there is going to be any kind of 'extended lightsaber'. What you see there is just a product of camera angles.

Harbinger · 03-14-2002, 01:04 PM

That red aura around Jan is a Sith force power -- force rage.

Thanks for the response, Chang. I guess I'll just have to tweak my controls here and there. I use a pretty similair config to yours.

However, that little revelation you gave us -- that force jump is used with the same key as a regular jump -- that is awesome! I'm guessing we just hold down on the jump key longer to build up the height of the jump. Sounds great.

Maddenman, I think the scoring is higher in the Yslamari/team games. Have you ever played Team Fortress Classic (another mod of Halflife)? You get around ten points for capturing the flag and it can build up. Maybe that trailer was showing team score for that MP game? Or maybe you can toggle between your individual score and your team score?

TUS_Tomcat · 03-14-2002, 01:06 PM

I think so myself too that its the angle.

But well, someone wondered so I thought I'd show the comparison

nu||ifier · 03-14-2002, 01:07 PM

lol - jan's ass is quite big

Vertigon · 03-14-2002, 01:12 PM

I'll just answer a zillion things at once.

The saber is the same length in MP as in SP. The blur effect might make it look a tad bigger when in motion.

You guys need to chill on this batsaber thing. There isn't any knockback from sabers in MP. The crazy knockback in the first trailer was an anomaly of the particular build they were using at the time. The reason there's some (smaller amount of) knockback in SP is because it feels good and gives the player feedback as to his actions. Don't try to apply science, real lasers are boring.

You can't change the length of your saber (asked in another thread). Someone could mod it easily if they really wanted to, however.

The red effect around Jan was Dark Rage. A raged player also moves and attacks faster, hence her whirlwind of death.

I bound all four buttons plus the wheel in my Intellimouse explorer.

Indy4 · 03-14-2002, 03:15 PM

will there be a demo?

why arent you making the new indiana jones game?

SEYA

Ulic Quel Droma · 03-14-2002, 03:22 PM

<oldman> i am retired
<borat> you are retard?
<oldman> yes

Pedro The Hutt · 03-14-2002, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Indy4

why arent you making the new indiana jones game?

SEYA

Lucasarts didn't ask them to make it ^_^"

NoodlyGod · 03-14-2002, 03:37 PM

I'd just like to give a big thanks for taking the time to read and respond to the posts on this forum. I think it's really cool that "big guy developers" still care about the people they make their games for. Thanks again! -Noodly