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Old 04-12-2002, 07:56 AM   #1
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Raven: Saber throwing during duels is out of control

In the last 72 hours, I did a test.

I dueled 100 people. 98 of them constantly threw their sabers.

Raven, I had the best time of my life dueling last week. This week, it seems as though everybody has figured out the easiest cop out in dueling. What the hell is saber throwing allowed for anyway? Did Luke throw throw his saber at Darth Vader every 2 seconds????? Its so out of place, it makes absolutely no sense.
Dueling is a virtual joke.

Now for all the dolts...call me a whiner, call me insane, tell me there's 100 counters to a saber throw, it only means:

1. You're a coward and obviously depend on saber throwing since you lack any true melee skill.
2. You dont have the slightest clue what good sportsmanship is.
3. You're a teenager, new to online gaming and think you know everything.
4. You have no love for the Star Wars Universe and Jedi dueling, you just want to win, no matter how cheap in doing it.
5. You have no honor, because its easy to be honorless behind a computer, in the comfort of your own home.

Raven, when you implement a cowardly offensive move, the majority will use it. They're called 'lamers' and will always find the cheapest way to win, guaranteed. Please dont give this game away to lamers, like every other game. I have never said anything about force powers, guns vs. sabers, I personally think its perfectly balanced. Throwing sabers in a duel is a tragedy.

Thanks for listening.
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:02 AM   #2
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:07 AM   #3
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hi, im power_ed and i think saber throwing during a duel is kewl. *insert beavis laugh*
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:07 AM   #4
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play NF then softlad
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:09 AM   #5
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what, on the 1 server that pings 480? right.
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:10 AM   #6
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I will neither call you a whiner nor insane, but maybe, just maybe... take a breath?

Now since you don't want to know about the 100 ways of blocking saber throw *shrug* Ok, then I won't say anything about those either, but I will say something about 'saber throw not fitting into the SW universe".

There are several things in JO that 'don't fit into the SW universe', with having more than 3 saber colors being one of them. You wouldn't complain that JO contains non-canonical colors like orange, yellow and purple, right? Since originally there are only three: red, blue, green.

Now, a saber throw is a logical composition of force elements like telekinesis and and established SW features like a lightsaber. So what? And just because we don't see Luke throwing his saber all around that just means it isn't his style. So what?

And about that teen etc. business... now who's reacting childish here? I know what you're talking of and yes, it's irritating at times - but it's not like all people were doing it. Maybe try some other servers?

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Old 04-12-2002, 08:10 AM   #7
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how absolutely ridiculous, theres one place on the entire planet playing NF sabs? and it has a ping of 480?

play on the zone then, in Week of Duels, or join a ladder, like TWF, CWT or Cases
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:11 AM   #8
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Re: Raven: Saber throwing during duels is out of control

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3. You're a teenager, new to online gaming and think you know everything.
well i dunno how old you are but im 14 which is often classified as a teenager and i do not think i know everyting, so i find that quite insulting....the thing is what the hell is wrong with saber throw ????

somone tell me please, i cant think of anything, i mean 1st. does almost no damage unless a direct hit. 2nd is easy to dodge. 3rd its a good tool to start a duel or attack someone if they ran away from u during the duel.....etc etc i could say more but i dont see the point...sorry Sithdrone but i DONT think u have a god point there.

of course i will let u have your own oppinion, but yeah, just my thoughts
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:27 AM   #9
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i agree with you saber throwing is lame, just like people killing you in FFA when you want to challenge them. My opinion is that the majority of the JO players just don't appeciate SW enough to play the game, the way it should be played.

Oh yeah, maybe in the movies there where only three saber colors, but if you've read the books you should know that there are more colors. I believe it has something to do with a crystal used to create a lightsaber (don't remember that to well). Oh yeah in JKI, didn't kyle have a yellow lightsaber?

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Old 04-12-2002, 08:27 AM   #10
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It's a great tool... when used every 30 seconds or so, max. I don't think the people complaining about cheapness are half the whiners the people saying "but it's a tactic, it's not cheating, it's in the game, and it lets me win, so I gotta use it" are.

Right, there wasn't a lot of moving sabers with the Force in the movies, and there were only three saber colors. And there wasn't Darth Vader hiding near the pit tossing Rebels in as they walked by oblivious, and Luke didn't run backwards at light speed tossing his saber as his only move (besides level 3 drain). Those are okay too, right? Those are sportsmanlike!

"Hey, they work! I'm winning! So it's fair! The developers put it in! It's balanced! You're just mad 'cause I beat you by tossing the saber into you three times a second! Whiner!"

BTW, this isn't you, Digital... and there are good servers out there. It's just frustrating to see people playing who think this is Rocket Arena. (Or Drain-and-Grip Arena, etc. But it's fair because it's in the game!!)
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:33 AM   #11
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sorry Millions o' Monkeys, you might be the rare exception, but most teens are new to online gaming and sink very low when it comes to winning and impresssing their friends. I've seen it in every online game, never fails. Wether they play with all the hacks they could find or find the cheapest exploit to win, many games have gone down the drain. As an admin, every cheater I've talked with turned out to be 15-18. Sad, but true. The word 'kiddies' didnt come from no where. Again, you might be fine, but your age group as a whole is not. Be an example to your peers, thats all I can say.

And about if I know how to counter it, please. Thats not the point. The point is I'm dueling you to fight up close, not for you to run like a pansie, throwing your saber and turning it into a fisher price duel.
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:35 AM   #12
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you have to be a complete newbie to get killed by saber throw constantly. maybe you should stop mashing your mouse and swinging your saber around in the air and you could acually BLOCK the throws!!


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Old 04-12-2002, 08:48 AM   #13
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And there wasn't Darth Vader hiding near the pit tossing Rebels in as they walked by oblivious, and Luke didn't run backwards at light speed tossing his saber as his only move

ROFL

..would have been so cool though,, imagine it in your head: Vader.. hiding.. one unlucky rebel comes wandering by... when suddenly.. Vader would force grip the sob going "MUAHAHAHA, I AM YOUR FATHER" then toss him into a pit, and quickly run and hide againg, waiting for the next dude to pass by...


am i the only one who would have really loved to see that?


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Old 04-12-2002, 08:56 AM   #14
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"you have to be a complete newbie to get killed by saber throw constantly"

toolbox, when and where did I ever say I lost? I'm talking about something entirely different here, get a clue.

oh wait you use "ROFLMAO"...how typically typical. Where did you learn that expression, hanging out in irc all day with your gay friends? Might be a little hard finding that clue with your testacle in place of your brain.
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:58 AM   #15
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whoever said its easy to dodge/block sabers, it doesn't matter. Since both of you have equal force powers in an FFA duel you wil never catch him if he doesn't want you to. Along with the fact saber throw sometimes passes through a block, and also that its hard to land a hit when the player is constantly making you roll/jump etc.
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Old 04-12-2002, 08:59 AM   #16
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Old 04-12-2002, 09:13 AM   #17
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"toolbox, when and where did I ever say I lost? I'm talking about something entirely different here, get a clue."

talking about somthing different? what the ****? your only whinging about SABER THROW because you obviously are new to the game and cant beat people who use it. why else would you be whinging about it? idiot. plus honor? well it is so honorless you could call jkii a...... COMPUTER GAME?? so please try to make an effort to kindly shut the **** up you stupid ****ing ****, you idiot.
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Old 04-12-2002, 09:31 AM   #19
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Re: Raven: Saber throwing during duels is out of control

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In the last 72 hours, I did a test.

I dueled 100 people. 98 of them constantly threw their sabers.

Its so out of place, it makes absolutely no sense.
Dueling is a virtual joke.

Now for all the dolts...call me a whiner, call me insane, tell me there's 100 counters to a saber throw, it only means:
1) I have never said anything about force powers, guns vs.
sabers, I personally think its perfectly balanced.

Thanks for listening.

STFU NOW K THANX
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Old 04-12-2002, 09:33 AM   #20
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ARE YOU FINISHED? WELL ALLOW ME TO RETORT

Sithdrone, you spark me as a icy and remorseless man - it chills my bones just to look at you.

Your simplistic arguement disgusts me to the utmost extreme. My stomach was filled with an acidic bile that distorted my facial features when I read your insufficient post. The fact that you lack the finesse and grace required not only to utilise a lightsabre, but to master it is a great disservice to yourself, and a dishonour to your family. The basic idea that you lack the skill required to defend yourself against all forms of attack is one that is laughable, and one that shows your dissipated morals and value-system.

You sir, are a disgrace to all those who show true poise and purpose when ever they swing their sabre with mastery and knowledge that surpasses The Great Library of Egypt. You insidious ideals and the fact that you have to enter this forum and immediatly attempt to put across an already invalid and obsolete point shows your complete lack of respect to the Jedi Order.

I cannot fathom the degree in which you openly desacrate us sabre purists by posting this ignorant compilation of thrown out household goods that represent the basis of your post, and all subsequent posts that you have made so far within this thread.

I sentance you to two life sentances, one for each of your victims. SO BE IT. *hits gavel*

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Old 04-12-2002, 09:34 AM   #21
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Re: Raven: Saber throwing during duels is out of control

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...call me a whiner

..whiner


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Old 04-12-2002, 09:43 AM   #22
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Sithdrone, the problem is your anecdotal evidence that "98% of people constantly threw their sabers" simply doesn't ring true for the majority of us who are reading your thread! The whole tone and nature of that opening remark is basically trolling at best...

I am curious though as to the criteria you supposedly used to differentiate between someone who "constantly threw" their saber, someone who "occasionally threw" one and someone who threw it maybe just once? To me "constantly throwing" really means using saber-throw to the exclusion of all other force powers...

The chances that 100 seperate players all used just this one tactic are somewhat astronomical. Secondly if you "constantly throw" your saber, you would quickly run out of force-power and be quite vulnerable to ranged attacks (darkside) or force-protected (lightside) melee. Thirdly if you are strange enough to actually count "98 people in 100 duels over 72 hours", you are unlikely to want to debate your "findings" here. These "facts" are now gospell to you and no matter what is said, you not going to be persuaded.

Basically, the only way that I can really see your remarks being remotely true is if you either set up the test unfairly (eg. server name = Thrown saber duelling only!" etc.) or your own tactics were to blame. What I mean by this is that if you insisted on force-jumping to a particularly obscure ledge, then maybe, (just maybe) those people were set up into throwing their sabers just to reach you etc.

From what I can see, not many people here can even see your problem with the balance. I suggest you find a way to deal with it yourself. Otherwise...

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Old 04-12-2002, 09:59 AM   #23
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Someone send Sithdrone a picture of a real female human being so when I tell him to have sex with a girl, for the first time in is life he will be able to do so as so far his trollness has proven he has never been laid in his life. So like I said, once he finds out what women look like perhaps he can get sex and stop his trollish posts. (after an orgasim or two he shouldnt have any of his built up agression left in him)

This probably made no sense so to sum it up:

Sithdrone, get ****ed.
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Old 04-12-2002, 10:01 AM   #24
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...it would appear that you're on a crusade today, obi.

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Old 04-12-2002, 10:03 AM   #25
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I think excessive throwing in duels can become quite irritating. I've done a bit of that and it works too well. Only two people have actually been able to beat me when I threw. It's just irritating when people rely on it so much. I'm trying to improve my slashing but i can't when people rely on throwing. In return I become provoked to throw too and the duel totally underminds my intent, which is to duel with slashing only. In my experience I have not seen much success in the suggested tactics to counter excessive throwing so don't assume that I like the "skill". To assume that would be absurd because I'm usually the excessive thrower, when the situation demands. ie. My opponent is throwing.

By the way, if you are going to attack my opinion you better have substance in it and you better point out what your substance is.
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Old 04-12-2002, 10:07 AM   #26
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Man this is getting alot of use....
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Old 04-12-2002, 10:08 AM   #27
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I have no problem with saber throwing, I never put points into unless I have left overs when the rank is Jedi Master. If anyone hits me with it (not often) I just use heal right away. I suppose for dark side this could be more annoying but then there is drain to get that right back :slsaber
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Old 04-12-2002, 10:16 AM   #28
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Re: Raven: Saber throwing during duels is out of control

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In the last 72 hours, I did a test.

I dueled 100 people. 98 of them constantly threw their sabers.

Raven, I had the best time of my life dueling last week. This week, it seems as though everybody has figured out the easiest cop out in dueling. What the hell is saber throwing allowed for anyway? Did Luke throw throw his saber at Darth Vader every 2 seconds????? Its so out of place, it makes absolutely no sense.
Dueling is a virtual joke.

You sir, need to visit a doctor about getting high blood pressure medication NOW nefore its too late, oh and cut caffine out of your diet too.

That said, I am getting about sick of people using a MOVIE to define how THEY think a game should be. As to throwing sabers, watch the movies again there is most certainly a SCENE where a saber is THROWN. Even if it is not AT a person it is thrown to hit something, now think real hard on that one for a second.

Someone yesterday posted about the bar and that no "just" people were in it like they were in the movie, I'd like to remind him that this is a GANGSTER hideout in the game, and if you recall the Hut's" hideout in Episode 3, everyone was against luke or being saved by him. Now quit trying to make this Episode 2, that comes out May 15th.


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Old 04-12-2002, 10:31 AM   #29
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Re: Raven: Saber throwing during duels is out of control

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Did Luke throw throw his saber at Darth Vader every 2 seconds?????
Did Luke have blue lightning come out of his hands? Apples. Oranges.
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Old 04-12-2002, 10:42 AM   #30
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Re: Raven: Saber throwing during duels is out of control

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In the last 72 hours, I did a test.

I dueled 100 people. 98 of them constantly threw their sabers.
Thanks for listening.


this is a blatant lie ...

post facts, not bs ... i would probably consider reading your post if you bothered to tell the truth in the 1st two sentances ...
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Old 04-12-2002, 10:47 AM   #31
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oh wait you use "ROFLMAO"...how typically typical. Where did you learn that expression, hanging out in irc all day with your gay friends? Might be a little hard finding that clue with your testacle in place of your brain.

kind of hard for people to take your complaints seriously when all you do is bash others that disagree with you, granted they weren't the nicest people either. But for me, anyone who simply yells at somene who disagrees with them doesn't deserve to be heard in any rational manner..


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Old 04-12-2002, 10:54 AM   #32
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but most teens are new to online gaming and sink very low when it comes to winning and impresssing their friends. I've seen it in every online game, never fails. Wether they play with all the hacks they could find or find the cheapest exploit to win, many games have gone down the drain. As an admin, every cheater I've talked with turned out to be 15-18. Sad, but true.


...now this is probably the only thing i will agree with from you on this topic ... I being 17, have all too well seen what my younger and even some older peers have done, it is quite dissapointing ...


maybe along with the content rating, they should have a maturity standard on the box...when you go to buy it, the guy at the counter sais "I'm sorry, you cannot purchase this game, it requires a maturity level of blundering idiot or higher" ....of course that is impossible, but one can dream...
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Old 04-12-2002, 11:14 AM   #33
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1. You're a coward and obviously depend on saber throwing since you lack any true melee skill.

You're an idiot to just stand there and get hit by it insted of jumping out the way...

2. You dont have the slightest clue what good sportsmanship is.

If you do you would accept that you are not the god of the game and nobody has to follow the way you play

3. You're a teenager, new to online gaming and think you know everything.

and of course you know everything! im only 14 and ive been playing mmporpgs for a few years now and just because someone uses a different tactic than you doesnt mean there a dumb kid that doesnt no ****

4. You have no love for the Star Wars Universe and Jedi dueling, you just want to win, no matter how cheap in doing it.

you idiot! the hole point in a duel is to win, thats why you fight each other and dont stand there saying "ok you kill me then i'll kill you then we have 1 kill each and its fair! " and also...vader threw his lightsabre at luke in rotj wen he was standing above him on that platform thingy...

5. You have no honor, because its easy to be honorless behind a computer, in the comfort of your own home.

......ummmm......its a move in the game........its not a cheat or anything its an actual move.......does that mean you are honerless for swipeing at people with a lightsabre?.....o dear...



to put it shortly i think u dun have the slightest clue wat ure going on about!


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Old 04-12-2002, 11:17 AM   #34
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1. You're a coward and obviously depend on saber throwing since you lack any true melee skill.

You're an idiot to just stand there and get hit by it insted of jumping out the way...

2. You dont have the slightest clue what good sportsmanship is.

If you do you would accept that you are not the god of the game and nobody has to follow the way you play

3. You're a teenager, new to online gaming and think you know everything.

and of course you know everything! im only 14 and ive been playing mmporpgs for a few years now and just because someone uses a different tactic than you doesnt mean there a dumb kid that doesnt no ****

4. You have no love for the Star Wars Universe and Jedi dueling, you just want to win, no matter how cheap in doing it.

you idiot! the hole point in a duel is to win, thats why you fight each other and dont stand there saying "ok you kill me then i'll kill you then we have 1 kill each and its fair! " and also...vader threw his lightsabre at luke in rotj wen he was standing above him on that platform thingy...

5. You have no honor, because its easy to be honorless behind a computer, in the comfort of your own home.

......ummmm......its a move in the game........its not a cheat or anything its an actual move.......does that mean you are honerless for swipeing at people with a lightsabre?.....o dear...



to put it shortly i think u dun have the slightest clue wat ure going on about!

your entire post reaks of dis-respect and immature hatred ... this is proof that what he said was more or less true about the young people hurting games ... why be so mean ?


heres something new, you can disagree with him or agree with him without beeing an ass ...
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Old 04-12-2002, 11:18 AM   #35
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Have a cry.

So they threw their sabers. And you think you can stop them. Try going to a quake message board and telling people to stop using the rocket launcher. You'll probably get similar results.

Perhaps when you said "I dueled 100 people. 98 of them constantly threw their sabers", you really meant "I dueled 100 people. 98 of them threw their sabers once or twice, or as a side tactic along with melee. 1 or 2 people used saber throw exclusively".

For someone who is accusing 98% of people of being immature, you sure arn't showing much maturity of your own. All you have done is flame them and call them immature teenagers. Grow up.

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Old 04-12-2002, 11:21 AM   #36
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swamp, hes not being mean, hes being truthfull.
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Old 04-12-2002, 11:23 AM   #37
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swamp, hes not being mean, hes being truthfull.
it's not the truth factor i was commenting on, it was how he presented his truth
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Old 04-12-2002, 11:25 AM   #38
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im aloud to xpress an opinion on wat i think
and geez sorry if i sounded so mean but i honestly think that complaining about one of the moves that you can use because its used to often is a load of bull
if you dont like it then deal with it you cant have everything you want and you cant have everyone folowing the way you play the game
thats like saying "raven why did you bother putting lightsabres in the game because everyone is useing em"
jus my opinion dont bite my hed off for it


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Old 04-12-2002, 11:28 AM   #39
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Originally posted by Voldos
im aloud to xpress an opinion on wat i think
and geez sorry if i sounded so mean but i honestly think that complaining about one of the moves that you can use because its used to often is a load of bull
if you dont like it then deal with it you cant have everything you want and you cant have everyone folowing the way you play the game
thats like saying "raven why did you bother putting lightsabres in the game because everyone is useing em"
jus my opinion dont bite my hed off for it
--shrugs--

sorry if i sounded like i was mad at you ... maybe i was a little bit ...


i just don't think you need to call peole idiots/stupid when you disagree with someone ...

if you will note, i disagree with him as well, so it's not like i want things "my way" ...
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Old 04-12-2002, 11:29 AM   #40
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I don't normally like feeding the trolls, but I have two points to make:

1.) 98% is an utterly ridiculous number. I see saber throw *****s as maybe 10% of the people I duel, at most.

2.) I honestly don't understand what you're talking about if you think it's an overpowered tactic; your only argument is that it's annoying, basically. I agree, it's annoying; then I kill them easily and get to duel someone else. I can't remember the last time I lost to someone who only threw their saber. It should also be noted that saber throw costs a couple bars of force power, and you don't regenerate while it's in mid-throw: someone who uses it constantly will be out of force very quickly, at which point they're pretty much screwed.
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