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Old 04-13-2002, 11:50 PM   #1
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what is with you guys thinking you are some type of badass jedi because you can use

lightsabers in deathmatch? I've never seen such egoism in a game before. I mean christ you people take it personally beacuse other people use guns and not sabers exclusively, or if you dont use sabers exclusively you're not as good or as much of a "fan" gimmie a break.
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Old 04-14-2002, 12:55 AM   #2
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I agree.
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Old 04-14-2002, 01:02 AM   #3
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Yes very true.

Like DeTRiTiC-iQ said:
"The point is in FFA you have every weapon at your disposal. There shouldn't be people running around only using Sabers, if they want sabers, they can play sabers only. Sabers do have advantage over other weapons in certain situations. But the saber is just another weapon in multiplayer, the saber isn't weak, far from it, its just you have to pick the moment to use it. I am completely against changing the balance of the weapons and force powers, since I don't really see a problem, except that saberists are too damn stubborn to use a gun once in a while. "

So for those true Jedi: There are SABER ONLY servers out there!!

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Old 04-14-2002, 01:05 AM   #4
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I find it funny. These people come into servers and complain when someone shoots them with a gun. Someone tells them that if they want to only use sabers, go to a saber only server. The person says, "Just stop being p*ssies and use lightsabers,"

I normally use saber because I think it's fun, but when I see that, I go pure guns just to tick them off
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Old 04-14-2002, 01:07 AM   #5
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Yeah I have to agree here.

I play CTF pretty much exclusively and the nutballs running at me with their sabers and their force powers really need to get a clue.

I understand its a Star Wars based game, but really, theres not gonna be ANY Jedi in JKO MP that can pull off attacking a gunner with his saber and his force powers unless the gunner is just wholly and totally incompetant.

There are a dearth of server types out there. So I cannot understand why a saber purist would join a guns server...and then start *****ing about the guns.

If I wanna play Jedi, I go to a sabers server, if I want to combine all the aspects of the game, I go to a regular server.

Its a simple choice people. If I've got your flag, I'm not gonna throw down my gun and whip out my saber just because your attacking me with yours. Its not logical.


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Old 04-14-2002, 01:09 AM   #6
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Of course, on the whole, not everyone whines about it.

But the ones that do are the same ones that whine about force powers being lame.

Typical personality type, they can do anything they want, but if you kill them with something, its lame.


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Old 04-14-2002, 01:55 AM   #7
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I totally agree with DeT-iQ on that. If you want to play sabers only, play on a ****ing sabers only server! No one is going to stop using guns, and they are by no means wussy, weak, or for newbies. The people who complain are the newbs that are loosing because they won't use guns.

All I have to say to those sabers-in-FFA games is:

Why don't you...

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Old 04-14-2002, 05:41 AM   #8
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Old 04-14-2002, 05:52 AM   #9
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I agree with you about whining about people who use guns (andd whining in general)but I disagree with you about the built-in balance of the sabers vs guns. ESPECIALLY in CTF!!! This has been mentioned in another thread about posible patch ideas, etc, but it should be made more realistic in that if somebody is carrying heavy firepower they shouldn't be able to move as freely and as fast as somebody just wielding a saber. If a patch or a mod would come out modifying the speed you can run while carrying a gun that would go a LONG way towards balancing the play....That way you would get a fair mix of both types of play (Sabers and Guns) as it is now in CTF you basically HAVE to play with guns because somebody carrying a gun can run just as fast as a saberer and blast them to kingdom come....It doesn't matter as much in FFA (the point then is to kill any way possible) BUT in CTF it does.
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Old 04-14-2002, 06:02 AM   #10
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Re: what is with you guys thinking you are some type of badass jedi because you can use

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lightsabers in deathmatch? I've never seen such egoism in a game before. I mean christ you people take it personally beacuse other people use guns and not sabers exclusively, or if you dont use sabers exclusively you're not as good or as much of a "fan" gimmie a break.
only a lamer would complain about people using lightsabres in a game.

the whole point of jedi knight is that lightsabres are above guns, but some guns are overpowered right now, can you say alt fire repeater rifle ? using a lightsabre in a ffa and beating people with guns would usually suggest that the person with the lightsabre is better. what's harder ? using a melee weapon or a ranged weapon ? obviously ranged weapon, especially considering those with huge splash damage.

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lightsabers in deathmatch? I've never seen such egoism in a game before
what you think this is quake ? when force powers are disabled, then using sabres and complaining about guns is one thing, but this is jedi knight man, it's not about the guns.
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Old 04-14-2002, 06:09 AM   #11
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"what's harder ? using a melee weapon or a ranged weapon ? obviously ranged weapon, especially considering those with huge splash damage. "

I think you mean "what's easier" or "obviously melee weapon"


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Old 04-14-2002, 06:10 AM   #12
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I agree with this but if you play with guns you're really wasting your time.
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Old 04-14-2002, 06:14 AM   #13
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Old 04-14-2002, 06:18 AM   #14
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Well not so much as wasting time as wasting money hehehehehe....Why not just play Q3 or some other gun FPS...I play both but prefer sabers and force....It is "JEDI KNIGHT" after all....But that is just my preference.....I just wish there was a better balance in Sabers vs Guns.....In the movies a Jedi could go up against most gun wielding enemies with impunity and those they couldn't they should at least be able to run away from. In my mind changing the speed and manuverability of big gun carriers would strike a good balance....But I doubt it will happen.
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Old 04-14-2002, 06:21 AM   #15
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Re: Re: what is with you guys thinking you are some type of badass jedi because you can use

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only a lamer would complain about people using lightsabres in a game.
And only a lamer would complain about people using guns in a game that allows them.

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the whole point of jedi knight is that lightsabres are above guns, but some guns are overpowered right now, can you say alt fire repeater rifle ? using a lightsabre in a ffa and beating people with guns would usually suggest that the person with the lightsabre is better. what's harder ? using a melee weapon or a ranged weapon ? obviously ranged weapon, especially considering those with huge splash damage.
I agree that Lightsabres are above guns. But you're still complaining about weapons here. If you don't want to fight people with guns GO TO A GOD DAMNED SABRE ONLY SERVER!

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what you think this is quake ? when force powers are disabled, then using sabres and complaining about guns is one thing, but this is jedi knight man, it's not about the guns.
No, JKII is not quake, but there's a DAMN good reason why Free For All is called Free For All:

'Cause it's a FREE FOR ALL!

Stop complaining and whining about people using guns in multiplayer and join a Sabre only server. Sheesh... some people are so [edited]!

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Old 04-14-2002, 06:25 AM   #16
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Well not so much as wasting time as wasting money hehehehehe....Why not just play Q3 or some other gun FPS...I play both but prefer sabers and force....It is "JEDI KNIGHT" after all....But that is just my preference.....I just wish there was a better balance in Sabers vs Guns.....In the movies a Jedi could go up against most gun wielding enemies with impunity and those they couldn't they should at least be able to run away from. In my mind changing the speed and manuverability of big gun carriers would strike a good balance....But I doubt it will happen.
Ahah! A good point (finally).

True, there are other games out there with guns and no sabre, why just play them. That's a very good point.

You are, however, forgetting one important thing:

People are Stupid.

It's a universal fact. As a race, people are stupid. People on the Internet are Stupid and Rude!

You cut guns out, and people go mental about it. You leave guns in, and people go mental about it. You take out force powers and people go mental about it. You leave force powers in and people go mental about it.

We're a stupid bunch of idiotic morons who can never ever be happy.

BYE
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Old 04-14-2002, 06:41 AM   #17
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Re: Re: Re: what is with you guys thinking you are some type of badass jedi because you can use

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And only a lamer would complain about people using guns in a game that allows them.
so. where did i ever complain about guns ?

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I agree that Lightsabres are above guns. But you're still complaining about weapons here. If you don't want to fight people with guns GO TO A GOD DAMNED SABRE ONLY SERVER!
no didn't, learn to read.

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No, JKII is not quake, but there's a DAMN good reason why Free For All is called Free For All:

'Cause it's a FREE FOR ALL!
you pretty much just said "why is it woot is woot ? because WOOT IS WOOT !!!. your reasoning skills are beyond poor.

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Stop complaining and whining about people using guns in multiplayer and join a Sabre only server. Sheesh... some people are so friggin' thick!
all i did was outline why it's harder to use a lightsabre, and using one and still kicking ass suggests a more skilled player.

no where did i complain about people using guns. there's no point in knowing how to read if you don't understand what you're reading.
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Old 04-14-2002, 06:49 AM   #18
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Re: Re: Re: Re: what is with you guys thinking you are some type of badass jedi because you can use

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you pretty much just said "why is it woot is woot ? because WOOT IS WOOT !!!. your reasoning skills are beyond poor.
No I didn't. You're the one who has bad reasoning skills.

"Woot" has no definition.

"Free For All" does.

"Free For All" means that "All" are "Free" to do what they want with whatever weapons and powers are available.

Some people just don't get it...
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Old 04-14-2002, 07:03 AM   #19
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You cut guns out, and people go mental about it. You leave guns in, and people go mental about it. You take out force powers and people go mental about it. You leave force powers in and people go mental about it.

BYE
Well personally I don't want to cut either out....But it does seem to me that if all you wanted to play was guns then there are better choices for your money. This game was supposed to be about Jedi, pure and simple, and guns should be an afterthought. I do hope that Raven does patch the game so that there is some sort of class system to better balance sabers vs guns that way everybody can play the game the way they like and yet be competitive.....I like CTF but as it is now I have to go guns because using saber doesn't work....If you steal the flag and use force speed and saber, all somebody has to do is run up you tail with the power guns and your dead (and they can keep up with you)......If you chase a flag stealer with just a saber and they have a gun they can run just as fast as you so always stay ahead of you and they can turn around, run backwards just as fast, and fire their big gun at you. The conclusion I came to is that saber just does not work in CTF the way it is implemented now.
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Old 04-14-2002, 08:07 AM   #20
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lol robin is kewl
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Old 04-14-2002, 09:19 AM   #21
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Just to add my 2 cents, I have to admit it's my personal preference to use saber all the time, yes even in (shock, horror) free for all matches, but I have never complained about people using guns. In fact the thing I like the most is trying to take out some one using a gun with my saber. I suck at it, usually end up low in the scores but it's the way I like to play.


However if I was going to whine about something ( and please note that the following is not a whine merely a speculation on a topic that I might find to whine about ) it would be that only those using sabers are able to use force powers. ie. select a gun and your force powers are temporarily disabled. switch back to the saber and they work again.

Not that I'm whining of course.

There you go guys, feel free to flame me to your hearts content.
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Old 04-14-2002, 09:20 AM   #22
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Indeed, Robin is positively hunky. He doesn't need moulded plastic to improve his physique.

Just to see what would happen, I recently tried using neither guns nor the saber and sticking with det packs, trip mines and thermal detonators. Some saber kid still kept telling me not to use guns, so I pointed out that I wasn't and blasted him off a ledge.



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Old 04-14-2002, 10:33 AM   #23
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Hey, tsavong lah, from Tribes 2 right? Remember me? Ah, the good ol' !CC! days......
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Old 04-14-2002, 11:00 AM   #24
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I play almost exclusively saber, and the main server I play on is CTF, AND I almost exclusively use Heavy style.

90% of the time, I kick serious butt, sometimes capturing several times, and really, I don't mind weapons in general, I find it funny as hell when someone stands there shooting at me with a blaster rifle and lets me kill them with their own shots, or rockets at me and (if a good share of the timing still being luck) I force push them right back at them,

the main complaint I have, is the repeaters secondary fire, I am a tad idealistic, and I think a person properly skilled using force and saber should be able to beat any of the other weapons,

on yavin especially, using JUST saber and force, with a little fancy footwork, and a smidge of luck, I've managed to cap the flag, going around and being chased by several enemies, but making it all the way back,

forward sumersaults, strategically timed non-force jumps, erratic pathing, and knowing the map enough to at times run backwards so you can deflect their shots, can make a world of difference.

edit: oh yeah, I also heard someone seem to think that trip mines were meant to be placed on the ground... not the wall, any ideas where this came from? I thought the "trip mine" - "trip wire" connection was pretty obvious
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Old 04-14-2002, 11:19 AM   #25
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oh yeah, I also heard someone seem to think that trip mines were meant to be placed on the ground... not the wall, any ideas where this came from? I thought the "trip mine" - "trip wire" connection was pretty obvious
Yeah, when they're on the floor you can just run around them. It's fun to jump up and put one quite high on the wall, then crouch down and put another one underneath it. Someone comes along, sees the bottom one, tries to jump over it and succeeds in setting off the top one then falling back down onto the bottom one. Boom.


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Old 04-14-2002, 11:29 AM   #26
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I rarely use anything but saber, but I don't complain when somebody uses guns. Its part of the game. Not to mention the fact guns are HARDER to get than sabers since you have to find them. Besides, I am working on anti-gun strategies and with enough practice i'm sure I could get some consistence going
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Old 04-14-2002, 11:48 AM   #27
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I'll throw in my 2 cents, here goes.....
Many people who are gunners, don't touch the saber at all have inflated egos. They think that they have so much skill, being able to use guns and all and whoops on all the saber people. Well, that is perhaps the biggest load of crap ever. I play mostly saber only, why? Because this is a star wars game, and I want to take advantage of that fact. Don't get me wrong, I've never once complained about people using guns, or anything in the game for that matter, its in the game so I have no problem when people use it. But, tell me this, if guns require so much skill, why is it that I can try going guns only for the first time and end up in the top 3 every game? hmm? Well, that brings me to my next point.... While I agree that everyone should be able to use whatever is int he game as they please, I also agree with those that say the game is unbalanced. Many of you are comming at this from an incorrect point of view.... almost as if this is a game like Quake or Unreal where there is just the added bouns of a saber. I see it differentl, call me a fan boy if you'd like, I don't care. I see this as a unique game, the saber and force powers make it such. THerefore, I think it should be possible for a force+saber user to have just as much a chance at victory as a gunner. With the current game build, that is possible, but difficult. Please do not flame me, I have not once complained about gunners in the game, I also think it is stupid when people ***** about anything short of cheating. If its in the game, its a viable tactic, so get over it, but again.... there are balance issues.
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Old 04-14-2002, 12:01 PM   #28
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I'm pretty much a saber only guy, because I think its way more fun. The lightsaber is pretty much what makes this game great, in my opinion.


I don't complain about people who use guns only, but I still think alot of the weapons are noob cannons, with which a half braned munkey (on crack) could get a ton of kills. I dont complain about them, I just look down on them

That said, when I use sabers in a FFA with guns, I'm not trying to prove anything except to myself. I may die 5 times, but its worth it for the satsifaction of completely owning 2 guys at once in a corner with 1 saber slash.
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Old 04-14-2002, 12:13 PM   #29
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Guys guys the simple fact is that Sabers make you look really cool, and just walkin around with them makes you look tough. when you run around with a tiny blaster you look like an idiot and there is no skill in shooting missiles at defenceless players. with sabers you have lots of fun spining around killing people and you dont look like a wuss.
I suggest ONLY use weapons if

a) you are rubbish with a saber
b) you are a REAL nEWBIE
c)you are low on health

Those are my only acceptable terms of using weapons


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Old 04-14-2002, 12:27 PM   #30
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the thing is, it's not all the guns' problem. the only gun that sabre users have a problem with is the alt fire on the repeater rifle, all the other guns are relatively harmless when you have lvl 3 sabre defence.

it's just the alt fire on the repeater rifle, if raven manages to tweak down that lamer cannon, there won't be much complaining on the sabre user's behalf.

just go check it out yourself, any gunner that is doing well is spamming with the alt fire function on the lamer rifle.
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Old 04-14-2002, 12:33 PM   #31
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Old 04-14-2002, 12:44 PM   #32
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You people aren't listening at all.

I'm talking about the ones that are insisting some kind of "honor code" be put into use for the use of guns.

Let me ask you a question, what takes more skill? Killing someone in less than 5 seconds with the E-11 blaster rifle.....or spinning in circles continually until you hit someone?

I've worked with the saber, I'm pretty good with it, generally considered better with it than most of the people I duel. But I can tell you already from experimenting with all the facets of the game that tracking someone with the E-11 blaster is alot harder than running up to someone and spinning in circles until they die.

The jedi purist cannot stand up to a armsman in this game. Yes they've got all manner of semi-functional counters, its nice to see that Raven at least thought that out. But the pure fact of the matter is that a skilled gunner will overpower a skilled jedi every time.

I'm no more happy about this than anyone else, but its the current facts of the game. "Oh darn you pulled my imperial repeater out of my hands, shame, I guess I'll have to use one of the other 8 or 9 weapons at my disposal." - "Oh darn, you've taken my weapon completely...let me use force speed and go pick up another one." - "Shucks, you've gripped me, here, eat Golan Arms FC-1 alt fire since you can't defend yourself."

Instead of trying to limit the guns, which really aren't all that powerful in their own balance. Why not be asking Raven to review what they've done to the MP Jedi? Innaccurate, highly unwieldy saber play, force powers that are merely a token gesture in the face of an armsmans assault. Its not the guns that are the problem, its the fact that that to truely represent the power of a jedi from the Star Wars Universe, the only current way to do it is to fight on sabers only servers.

If Raven analyzes the situation correctly, they will implement a base classes system, that doesn't allow people to have force powers if they're going to play as an armsman, and doesn't allow jedi to use guns (Lukes the only Jedi I've ever seen that used a blaster at all, and that was ANH, ESB and RoTJ he uses his saber almost exclusively.) in the Star Wars universe, there are very few Jedi as compared to Storm Troopers carrying around E-11 blasters, the reason for this is because it takes a special person to be a jedi. Whereas you don't often see Storm Troopers force pushing Luke around. And as I said, you rarely see a Jedi with a gun because his powers truely surpass them, and some kind of obscure code of combat that they follow.

To TRUELY balance the MP game into a Star Wars based FPS, you have to take away the ability to be a Jedi with a gun.

And that will pretty much kill the Guns vs. Sabers argument.

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Old 04-14-2002, 12:46 PM   #33
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I think sabers are more fun too. If I wanted guns, I'd play Quake or RtCW.



Of course you can go here and here, and a heck of a lot of other places to hear peoples comments on the whole saber vs guns issue. Boy there's a lot of people who want to whine this and whine about that.

To saberists: Hey, I like the saber too. But to take out a gunner, switch from elegant lightsaber to explosives spammer and return fire it they want to use it, or sacrifice your kills and learn the best way to counter it.
To gunners: C'mon. You've gotta admit that it is a Star Wars game first and foremost, and not just a FPS like Quake and RtCW. Why bother playing JO (or forking over the money to buy JO) when QIII and RtCW will cater to your needs. I can't help thinking that the gunspammers are QIII players who couldn't cut it in QIII MP and decided to pick up a Heavy Repeater and ALT-spam the twits with the lightsabers. It's just what I'm seeing here.
To combo saber/gunners: People using all of their rescourses to their advantage? Countering guns with guns and switching to saber to meet their saber-using foes in honourable combat? No, surely these people cannot exist.



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ROFLMAO!! -Very well said Chewie Baker!!!!

I happen to be a combo saber/gunner when theres no saber-only servers up.


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Old 04-14-2002, 12:58 PM   #35
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Yes!

Joruus, you said what I wanted to say sweetly. Thank you.



...but d@mn you for posting it while I was 80% done with mine. lol


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Old 04-14-2002, 01:01 PM   #36
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Re: Re: Re: Re: what is with you guys thinking you are some type of badass jedi because you can use

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all i did was outline why it's harder to use a lightsabre, and using one and still kicking ass suggests a more skilled player.
Actually that would suggest being extremely lucky I'm not on the server. =P

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Old 04-14-2002, 01:09 PM   #37
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To TRUELY balance the MP game into a Star Wars based FPS, you have to take away the ability to be a Jedi with a gun.

And that will pretty much kill the Guns vs. Sabers argument.

While that may be true, it will start a new one up... one that I'll probably spear-head myself: I WANT to be a Jedi with a gun. It is the main reason why I play this game. I've long been bored silly of melee fighting in FPS multiplayer gaming because it all looks the same (as you pointed out earlier in your post). The only difference between fighting with just Sabers in JK2 and fighting with CROWBARS in Half-Life is that in JK2, your crowbar is much prettier, and sometimes it will block the other person's crowbar.

JK2 is the first FPS in a LONG TIME to go AWAY from hitscan weapons and towards projectile only. Even Q3A was about the hitscan... Rails and Lightning Gun with a little bit of Rocket Launcher depending on the map.

The Class system is of course, an interesting idea... but it isn't new. Because of that, if it doesn't play as good as TF or Q3F, then I probably won't be interested in it, and I'm guessing many others like me won't either.

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Old 04-14-2002, 01:12 PM   #38
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"To TRUELY balance the MP game into a Star Wars based FPS, you have to take away the ability to be a Jedi with a gun. "

sounds good to me! make classes, like in other games, "Jedi" or "Soldier" or something like that, making the jedi's force powers either recharge faster, or otherwise last longer,

but then again they do have the game type "Jedi Master" or whatever it is, where theres only one lightsaber and everyone has to kill the guy who has it, (that can't use other weapons, I dont think)

but last I saw very few people played that gametype
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Old 04-14-2002, 01:19 PM   #39
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While that may be true, it will start a new one up... one that I'll probably spear-head myself: I WANT to be a Jedi with a gun. It is the main reason why I play this game. I've long been bored silly of melee fighting in FPS multiplayer gaming because it all looks the same (as you pointed out earlier in your post). The only difference between fighting with just Sabers in JK2 and fighting with CROWBARS in Half-Life is that in JK2, your crowbar is much prettier, and sometimes it will block the other person's crowbar.

JK2 is the first FPS in a LONG TIME to go AWAY from hitscan weapons and towards projectile only. Even Q3A was about the hitscan... Rails and Lightning Gun with a little bit of Rocket Launcher depending on the map.

The Class system is of course, an interesting idea... but it isn't new. Because of that, if it doesn't play as good as TF or Q3F, then I probably won't be interested in it, and I'm guessing many others like me won't either.
My idea here is fleshing out as as think it through. But as I stated in another post, its simple math.

Each major game facet has a value of 2.

Mobility, Saber Use, Force Powers, Gun Mastery

A player playing as an Armsman in the current game has a total value of 8, whereas a self enforced Jedi has a total value of 6, implying an obvious imbalance in the types of play styles.

In a truer attempt to represent the Star Wars Universe, a gun dependant class would not have the ability to use the force, and the jedi's force abilities would counter the gunners technological power.

Now, to balance it, the gunner would lose his saber, and get a stun baton. Then to further ensure hes on a technologically even footing with the jedi class, certain new elements would have to be introduced to give the gunner class the ability to combat jedi.

Jedi would have force jump, to assist them with 3 dimensional mobility. The gunner based player would have an E-11 barrel mounted grapnel launcher (Luke used one in ANH, so its feasible) with a slow reload time, or a resource based limitation (say 40 blaster ammunition per grapnel shot)

Jedi would have force mind trick, armsman players would have IR Goggles which could pick up heat signatures but run on batteries like in the game.

Some of the more exotic force powers would not have a technological counter, but thats the balance, the jedi has tools at his disposal the gunner does not have, and the same way around.

Personally I think its the best way to truely balance out the MP game to something more accurate to the Star Wars Universe.

[Edit - Stormy - too much bold text still kills the eyes. ]


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Old 04-14-2002, 01:20 PM   #40
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See, this post only serves to prove my overall point about the game imbalance. I don't fault gun users for using guns. Not in the least. They want to win, and let's face it, using guns is the easiest way to win. But the fact that essentially you have the choice of playing on a guns server or a sabre server is a real problem. Folks who want to use a sabre have no way to stand against folks using a gun. I think we've all figured that out by now. It's not just the alt fire on the repeater, either. The flechette cannon's alt fire and the missile launcher are a problem as well. And it's not so much the issue that these guns are uber weapons. They're by far NOT uber weapons. The problem is in whose hands those weapons happen to be. When a gun user with force powers goes up against a sabre user with force powers, the gun user will win.

And this is why this game will die shortly unless something is done to fix it. Follow out this scenario to its logical conclusion. People buy JO for two distinct reasons: 1.) they want to play a cool FPS, 2.) they're die-hard Star Wars fans who want to be able to play like Jedi Knights online. They install the game, fire up MP, and join in a battle. On the one side, you've got the guy who wants to play to win. Nothing wrong with that. I like winning too. You've also got the die-hard fan who wants to win, but wants to do it as a Jedi. These two meet in an FFA server. The guy who's playing to win fights a few sabre battles, then runs off after a while and grabs a gun. He runs back to where the sabre battles were, and finds four Jedi wannabes duking it out in the middle of the map. The gun user looks at the melee, looks down at the weapon of mass distruction in his hands, gets an evil grin on his face, and proceeds to vaporize all of the jedi. Suddenly, the guy playing to win realizes, hey, why bother with a sabre when you can use a gun?? He also realizes that he's wasted a lot of points on sabre skills when they could go to other force powers. He bumps all his neutral skills (Speed, push, pull, seeing) up to level three. The guy who plays to win starts doing so. Even in one-on-one fights against the jedi. He runs, shoots them with a repeater or flechette cannon, and when they manage to push the bolts back at him, he figures out that if he jumps and fires, they'll never hit him even if he doesn't hit them 100% of the time. Meanwhile, the sabre user becomes more and more frustrated. He decides to go play on a sabre only server. Except that sabre combat is so lackluster in this game, that he grows tired of it, and leaves. Meanwhile, the gun user is still using guns and force powers, but the game's getting old to him. Besides Q3, CS, and a whole host of other games did it better and were more interesting to play. For him, the game ends up being just another gun game that isn't terribly distinguished from the other games. Now where do you think the game goes from here? The gun user gets bored with the game and moves on to another game with cooler, newer guns. The sabre user is bored with sabre combat in the game, and goes back to summoning groups of enemies and allies to play on SP maps. And the multiplayer aspect of this game that we had such high hopes for dwindles and dies. Folks just stop playing. Raven figures this out and doesn't put as much energy into supporting the game because they've got other projects to work on that will reach a larger audience.

THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THIS GAME UNLESS IT IS PATCHED OR MODDED. Mark my words.
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