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Old 04-14-2002, 01:50 AM   #1
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The unlisted Saber styles-- Why not MP?

Why weren't these two saber styles included in MP? I understand they'd have to be balanced, but they had their own animations and were pretty nifty.

(For those who don't know what i speak, just go into SP, bring up console, and type Setforceall 500. You now have 2 blue saber styles and 2 red ones.)

The Blue style seems to be a tougher copy of blue/yellow, but the red one is very cool (involves a lot of single-hand wielding/swinging of the saber. animations i haven't seen in any of the regular styles)

They were more powerful, sure, but still had animations and were quite cool in their own right.So i wonder, why weren't they included?

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Old 04-14-2002, 01:55 AM   #2
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yea it would be nice to have a mod that included them in mp and gave them their own colours......
the second blue seems to be stronger but lacks the extremely effective lunge attack
the one-handed red rocks
it's considerably faster and very fun to watch
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Old 04-14-2002, 02:43 AM   #3
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I was just fighting on the ladder level with the 2nd heavy saber style, thats cool. Its lots better than the regular one, faster, and one handed, i felt like i was cheating though. Anywayz. Somebody should make a mod with these 2 modes, that would be cool.
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Old 04-14-2002, 04:17 AM   #4
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Yeah, the one handed red style is (wha tim guessing) supposed to be Vader's style.
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Old 04-14-2002, 04:27 AM   #5
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Yup, the second red is Vader's style... all we need now is that stance to be selectable in MP and a Vader model to go with it


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Old 04-14-2002, 04:29 AM   #6
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the one handed red style I believe is what Desann uses. though it would work well for Vader as well.

I think Tavion had the second blue stance, medium and heavy (if you watch, they do switch up)

and Desann had the second red stance, medium, and the second blue stance

not sure about the Reborn tho


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Old 04-14-2002, 04:41 AM   #7
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Nope...

Desann no tavion has the second blue stance, they both have your light stance and your medium stance, and desann has the second strong stance. Both Desann and Tavion use the "lunge" attack which is not in the second blue stance, nor the 2nd red stance. On that note, the second strong stance has this very very fast double attack to the front(two slashes, accross and back), i think its the same attack that was in jk1, but ive never played it, it does tons of damage and is very fast.

the second light stance is Lukes stance, which he uses exclusivly, take a look at it when he fights, he uses the second blue.
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Old 04-14-2002, 11:20 AM   #8
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Those to stances should be left out of MP. They are as balanced as mice and elephants.
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Old 04-14-2002, 04:32 PM   #9
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Indeed, they are intended to make those NPCs more skilled than anyone else in the game. Instead of making better AI, they just gave them cheaper saber styles. Who could of guessed

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Old 04-14-2002, 05:17 PM   #10
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and thats why they are not available in mp. if you had the second red stance, would you ever use the first red stance? no. its pointless to have two options where one is clearly superior (you could also say: absolutely bad game design)


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Old 04-14-2002, 06:51 PM   #11
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If they were included in MP they sure would need some heavy tweaking of course.
The second heavy stance could be limited to around a combo of 2/3 swings at most, should make it more "Vaderish" since in the movies he isnt a saber slash freak.
The other blue stance would just need some slowing down since its really fast and deadly, maybe make it less "comboable" like the original blue stance but still faster then the yellow stance, like a stance between blue and yellow.


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Old 04-14-2002, 09:30 PM   #12
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Whelp, looks like this David Mackintosh character emailed Jediknight.net with the saberistic information which i gave.

And here i thought they were common knowledge.

Go figure.


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Old 04-14-2002, 09:33 PM   #13
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whats next? wang clips for kyle?
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Old 04-14-2002, 09:58 PM   #14
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Of course the styles would have had to have been toned down, (and they ARE pretty cheap to give them to Desann and Tavion just to beef them up) but still...

It's kind of a waste of perfectly good animations.


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Old 04-14-2002, 10:18 PM   #15
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Well I finally beat the game without cheats, but when I saw the news of this, I went back to fight Desann. I tell you, the new stances are so much better and easier!! I hope Raven puts this and all the real combat stuff in a patch or something
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