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Old 04-15-2002, 10:34 PM   #41
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Zufuss, I pretty much just apologized for being hostile. But it seems that you can't accept this and want to keep the flame war going.

What do I say to that?

Bring it on, I could use a good laugh.
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:35 PM   #42
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Im not talking about the "sit around and watch it fly at me" throw.

You get in close start attacking and since at close distance you cant really tell if hes saber throwing anyway he suddenly slices you 3x and you like wtf. Meanwhile you take a step back and all thsi time his force has been regenerating and hes got another 2 throws locked and stocked and ready to send hurling at you the moment you swing at him from 2 feet away.
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:37 PM   #43
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Once again, sorry for the multiple posts.

Zufuss.. are you telling me throws are unblockable?

What do you use your force points on?? Put some on defense... saber throws RARELY hit if you have any clue what you're doing.

Go back and read my big long post... especially the part about people thinking there's something wrong with the game whenever they die (aka screw up aka suck).
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:38 PM   #44
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Exactly, a number of people(including myself) have stated several times that there are numerous ways to counter the saber throw, that are so simple. And yet you continue to say there is no counter. Are you actually reading these replies, or do you just continue to make baseless assertions?
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:38 PM   #45
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:39 PM   #46
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Im not talking about the "sit around and watch it fly at me" throw.

You get in close start attacking and since at close distance you cant really tell if hes saber throwing anyway he suddenly slices you 3x and you like wtf. Meanwhile you take a step back and all thsi time his force has been regenerating and hes got another 2 throws locked and stocked and ready to send hurling at you the moment you swing at him from 2 feet away.
Uh...how about throw yours back at him, since he's defenseless until he gets his saber back.

If you're that close, why don't you try to roll past your opponent in an attempt to get behind him and circle strafe/hack ths sh!t outta him?

It is becoming apparent that you don't know how to duel very well in the first place...
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:40 PM   #47
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*gasps once again in horror at someone using something other than the left mouse button*

Dude, don't accept duels then. Don't stand so close to them. Throw yours at them. Jump up, kick them down, run away, don't give them time to regenerate force, etc. etc. etc. This is what I like to call a "duel." This may be a new term to you.

DUEL
**Please take a moment to contemplate it's 4 letters and complex meaning.*

There are so many ways to counter this move it's not even funny. You're just too intent on having the game changed and fitted to your exact liking, since you can't seem to figure it out the way it is.

Seriously, how long have you played? 1, 2 duels? I can't imagine anyone who's done 15+ would be whining about this.
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:45 PM   #48
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heh more then you can imagine. And the only problem ive ever had is with saber throw. Sure your gunna block it when you aren't attacking but he aint gunna throw untill you attack. Your only problem is you dont play enough to understand how duels are with this occurance.
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:51 PM   #49
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:55 PM   #50
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heh more then you can imagine.
Somehow I doubt that...

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And the only problem ive ever had is with saber throw. Sure your gunna block it when you aren't attacking but he aint gunna throw untill you attack.
Here's a hint genius, DON'T ATTACK UNTIL YOU ARE RIGHT UP ON YOUR OPPONENT. Do you start your attack from ten feet away?
Then you deserved to get ripped a new one. I have played many, many duels, and I know how to deal with consistent saber throwers, heavy one-hit-one-kill users, etc. so I suggest you spend a little bit more time dueling and a lot less time b!tching.
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:56 PM   #51
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Zufuss, you're an ignorant brat. How old are you, like 12?

"More than you can imagine"

What kind of half-assed comback is that?

"Your only problem is you dont play enough to understand how duels are with this occurance."

And using my OWN ARGUMENTS AGAINST ME?

Please. If you want to get me rethinking my opinions, you gotta come up with your own arguments.
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Old 04-15-2002, 11:01 PM   #52
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I to have had many duels, including a tournament which I won with 57 wins- 2 losses. So, I know a thing about dueling. From my perspective, your argument is very... well for lack of a better word, stupid. You need to get some more experience, I can think of 8 ways to block a saber throw off the top of my head right now.
You need to consider the stratigy involved in dueling, it's not just flailing your saber wildly expecting to hit something. There is so much more. You should read over the example of people here, they have very good comments. After you do that, go out and get some practice and come back here and try to actually convince us with facts and proof, rather then the baseless assertions that you have been making thus far. I do not intend this message as a flame, but rather as a suggestion. You have not convinced anyone with your arguements. Please stop with the postings until you have done what I said above and what the others have mentioned.
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Old 04-15-2002, 11:05 PM   #53
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a tournament? You played a FFA duel tournament? maybe you dont know what im arguing about there.

This isn't really about anything else then the often random duels once participates in a FFA game.
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Old 04-15-2002, 11:10 PM   #54
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Oh please. You didn't even read half his post zu-fussy.

I'm not going to even humor you with a re-explanation of what he just said. Or, maybe I will just for the sake of having you come back with another "witty" remark:

He's saying that he knows how to block saber throws. It's the SAME THING in tournoments as it is in FFA.

SAME. THING (if force powers are enabled, which it sounds like they were.)

So, he's saying that he knows how to block saber throws, unlike your ignorant self.

Stop this insanity zufuss. Your petition has gone to hell... you have no argument. You are done, as am I.
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Old 04-15-2002, 11:12 PM   #55
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No, it was a Duel server, with very limited powers. I have also dueled ALOT in FFA dueling. Dueling is all I do. Anyways, instead of challanging my comment, how about you follow it and do what I suggested before making more arugments. Right now you are not giving us a good image of yourself. From what you've written I've gathered your about 13, Poor in school, poor in games, please for your own sake, follow the suggestions.
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Old 04-15-2002, 11:56 PM   #57
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duel server dueling is way off topic here. you havent dueled much in FFA, which if you notice is what im talkign about. In duel servers everyone gets throwing sabers.
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Old 04-16-2002, 12:14 AM   #58
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He just said he HAS dueled a lot in FFA. And dueling on duel servers is EXACTLY (repeat: EXACTLY) like FFA duels. THERE IS NOT DIFFERENCE. I'll repeat that again as you seem to need things repeated to you 10 times.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FFA DUELING AND "DUELING DUELING" IF FORCE POWERS ARE ENABLED.

read the entire post before you start your mouth off again.

Be a man and admit defeat when it slams you in the face. You are just creating enemies here, no friends.

I am sick and tired of you challanging EVERYTHING EVERYONE SAYS. You don't think before you post. You obviously don't read everything that people post. You just whine and cry, spit and piss. It's annoying, frustrating, and really, REALLY funny.

Grow up or shut up. You are not adding any intelligant comments, just pointless, hostile arguments to people that are just trying to be constructive. I tried being nice, but my semi-apology and attempt to calm this down obviously went over your hot head.

I'm expecting yet another absurd argument again from you, because you aren't a big enough person to admit that perhaps you were incorrect. If you continue to argue this, it will just firm my opinion that you are an ignorant, self-absorbed brat.
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Old 04-16-2002, 01:22 AM   #59
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Yeah that true, you can avoid the saber throw if you do that but you won't ever get in an attack that way, it will just leave one player throwing the saber and one constantly dodging. Unless they both have saber throw and use it against eachother constantly. I use heavy stance a lot but saber throw is not the only counter for it, when other people use heavy stance you can wait for their full swing to go through and charge in with medium or light. This is a fact because I have duels all the time with and without force. Like I said earlier though, during FFA duels saber throw owns very much, I bet I could beat anyone if I had saber throw lvl 3 and they didn't. I'll just run backwards, strafe, do circles, whatever it takes to stay away from him and throw the saber which is bound to hit sometimes and they won't ever get near. I don't do this because I prefer to have an actual saber fight and I don't even like saber throw. If other force powers can be used in FFA duels then it would be balanced out otherwise it would be nice to restrict it in FFA duels.
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Old 04-16-2002, 01:27 AM   #60
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My reply was to this by the way

Dude, if someone throws a saber at you you either:

1. Move to the side
2. Stand and block it
3. JUMP (either straight up, back, to either side, or *shocking tactic* AT THEM!)

There are ways of avoiding a saber throw. Just because you can't get around them don't go crying about having it removed from duels. If you don't like the way someone fights in a duel DON'T ACCEPT THE DAMN CHALLENGE!
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Old 04-16-2002, 01:31 AM   #61
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Sorry to post 3 times in a row but I just saw this.

<<<He just said he HAS dueled a lot in FFA. And dueling on duel servers is EXACTLY (repeat: EXACTLY) like FFA duels. THERE IS NOT DIFFERENCE. I'll repeat that again as you seem to need things repeated to you 10 times.

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FFA DUELING AND "DUELING DUELING" IF FORCE POWERS ARE ENABLED. >>>

There is a difference because you can NOT use force powers during a FFA duel, thats what makes the saber throw own. Sure if you could heal or drain right after it being throw all would be dandy.
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Old 04-16-2002, 01:45 AM   #62
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wow someone intelligent enough to understand what im talkign about. Its not a complicated thing to understand. And yes i can take actions to avoid it but when i have no saber throw and they have level 3 its kinda hard, especially if their a real saber throw *****, which it is NOT hard to be.

they just don't understand what im talking about its as if they have never played a FFA duel before and yet repeatedly affirm they play it all the time? wtf.
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Old 04-16-2002, 01:50 AM   #63
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A petition for no saber throw in duels?? HAHAHA! OMG, you think Raven would remove it?? It's one of the coolest features!

If your getting your ass kicked by saber throw, then you sir, REALLY SUCK. All you have to do is stand to block it. Having trouble with an excessive saber thrower? Switch to the light stance and charge the bastard and kick him down. The light stance blocks most everything even while running.

The duels aren't supposed to be NO force, it's supposed to take out the force powers to make it more movie like. In the movies and books, the Jedi battling are concentrating on dueling with their lightsaber, they don't worry about using lightning to zap their enemy or choke them to death. Only traditional Sith lords do that, because they don't use saber at all.

Saber throw is left in because it's part of the saber combat system, not part of the force combat system.


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Old 04-16-2002, 01:53 AM   #64
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THERES A SLIGHT PROBLEM THOUGH.

ITS FFA IF I DONT HAVE SABER THROW I DONT GET TO USE IT IN THE DUEL.

DO YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE WORDS THAT ARE COMMING OUT OF MY MOUTH.

This is especially prevelant on servers with jedi knight setting where you dont have much force points to waste, just to blow 6 on saber throw so i can even the playing feild during a short duel.
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Old 04-16-2002, 02:04 AM   #65
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I see the "Dodge and Counter Attack" concept still eludes you even after many attempts by the smarter board members to explain it to you. To be honest, I just stand there idle when a saber is thrown at me - by just standing there, it deflects back, and only take damage 1 in 10 times, even then its only 5 damage. The only time I dodge is when its thrown past me, then I move in and kill before he can retrieve his saber.

Look, it's not the game's fault you can't do simple counters, it's not Raven's fault, it's not the other player's fault. It is Your fault, and soley your fault. If you can't deflect/dodge a saber throw, then you sir, suck. Get some skill, Get a life, or preferably - both.
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Old 04-16-2002, 02:07 AM   #66
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Yes, I understand what your saying, we've been through this, and we've discussed this, and you just don't seem to be able to comprehend our message properly. I am not going to try to explain it, due to the fact you don't read my replies fully and often confuse what I am saying. So I'll leave this burden on bacon's shoulders(sorry bud), maybe you can finally get it through your stubborn skull if he tell it to you. He'll go through it all really slow and maybe he can draw some pictures for you aswell.
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Old 04-16-2002, 02:10 AM   #67
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i know this has already been said but just to ad to the stupidity of the post..........
if somebody throws their saber at you
a) stand their and block it
b) jump
c) move to the side

it's so easy to block it's stupid, the only time you can't block it is if your swinging, and you really shouldn't be mindlessly swinging your lightsaber hoping to hit so it shouldn't be much of a problem considering hte fact that a hit on medium will do more than a saber throw


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Old 04-16-2002, 04:37 AM   #70
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i dont get your point, your mad at the fact that the other person throws at you, when you yourself can throw at him, but, for some unknown reason, you decided that sabre throw was and unneeded power,and alloted no force points to it??? maybe you should try alloting force to your throw, i usually max out all of my sabre stats and jump, before putting power elsewhere, this whole game is about the sabre, so teh forces that deal with it would defently be most important, right?? and if you play on FF servers, how can you not allot force to the throw, you have force points coming out of your ears

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Old 04-16-2002, 05:03 AM   #71
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I vote no, when they get a patch, hopefully the force disable options will be fixed and this wont be an issue, find a server with throw disable. I dont want to be forced by someone elses thoughts on how they think the rules should be and I hope you feal the same way. If you dont then I dont know what to tell you.....
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Old 04-16-2002, 05:19 AM   #72
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Ok.. lets look at this argument:
There should be no saber throwing in no force saber duels because there should be no force (well I dont remember hearing anythign like that, but Ill take your word).

possibillity one: You suck at dodging sabers, or dont know how to use them, so it gives others an advantage over you. Thus you dont like it. Im gonna credit you with more than this and assume 2

Possibillity two: You are arguing about a little thing that makes no difference any ways. Thus a pointless argument.

Ok, im being an *******, but Im REALLY sick of listening to people whine about little things.

If you could use other force powers during it then it would be perfectly fine but since you can't its a one sided deal

Sorry, I dont see how this is one sided. Its a force power that everyone can ahve if they choose it, if youve chosen another power over it then it gives you an advantage in other parts of the game.

even 2 hits is more then enough to offset the duel's balance more then enough.

Yes, if you leave your self open.
SO DONT LEAVE YOUR SELF OPEN!
It is REQUIRED for heavy stance folks (as the hit detection totally kills your change to take them out).
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Old 04-16-2002, 05:35 AM   #73
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Zufuss = Navaros?
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You keep crying that the others have an advantage cause they chose to put points into S-throw and you didnt. Your the one who chose not to invest in it so deal with the consequences.

And I dont think that s-throw should fall uner the category of a force power to begin with, but thats a different rant.
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Hi all....

Im not a JKII player but i do read a lot of threads here to get some insight. my comment has nothing to do with the conversation of the saber throwing.

I just wanted to say that Zufuss has to watch out what he is saying. you are lucky that this board is realy busy or you would have been banned by now. if this were Galactic Battlegrounds, you would be gone with your first post. in Rogue Squadron you may have lasted one thread..... but i think you better watch it or your out of here... for ever...

just a heads up.
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Old 04-16-2002, 08:26 AM   #77
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go blow a goat zufuss. dont tell others how to play this game. u dont like saber throwing go cry us a river.

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Old 04-16-2002, 09:13 AM   #78
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I didn't even bother to read all of this lame thread. I read what the first guy wrote and will just coment on that.

Light stance doesn't block saber throw??? You are sad indeed! Whenever someone uses saber throw against me I switch to light stance and deflect every saber they throw. I just make sure that my saber is where theirs hit. It's no problem at all... so stop making up all this nonsense just so you can whine about something YOU find lame because it kills you.

I am so damn tired of all you whining children here. The sadest part is that you don't even comprehend the insignificance of your oppinions. SO STFU K THANX!

Here is a list of things people finds lame.
1. Saber throwing
2. Weapons
3. Heavy stance
4. Light stance flailing
5. Grip
6. Pull/Push
7. Drain
8. Lightning
9. Heal
10. Kickflip
11. Not bowing
12. Duelling in FFA
13. Cheap kills
14. Killing people with light sabers off
THE LIST GOES ON FOR CRIST SAKE

ALL of the above have been mentioned here and people have been whining and crying about it. WTF do we have left then. Are we going to kill each other with bowing and 1337 sp34k untill our opponent dies from boredom??? SO STFU K THANX!

Some of the problems mentioned are indeed problems and I am sure they will be adressed in the patch... But NOT everything... OK? SO STFU K THANX!

It's really annoying comming here and seeing all these moronic threads where people whine and cry about things they have not even tried to actually THINK about. SO STFU K THANX!

If you get your ass kicked just try for a second to imagine how in the bloody hell EVERYONE should be able to be number 1??? There WILL be someone better than you! There will be someone who uses different tactics than you! And these tactics might just be better than yours! You can customize your way of playing JK2 and that is really great... But noooo some people will just come here crying and whining like bloddy children who had their last candybar stolen from them... SO STFU K THANX!

JUST STFU K THANX!

And just another thing

STFU K THANX!

Oh and did you know that EVERYONE can have saber throw? Use points on if you like. If it isn't worth using points on from your point of view it seems really stupid to claim that it is imbalanced? Just plain stupid. If you use all your points on lightning and drain or whatever THAT is YOUR choice! SO STFU K THANX!

Saber throw is needed to combat the flailers and the heavy special. Removing it would cripple the gameplay... if you can't comprehend that JUST STFU K THANX!

"Waaahhhh I don't want to use points on saber throw because I want lvl3 lightning and drain.... waaahhhhh no one else should be able to use it.... waaahhhhhh ...." STFU K THANX!

But wasting words on a thread like this is truly a disrespect for the fact that humans can indeed communicate in a way much more complex than ... say monkeys. I am sorry about that one thing. Everyone would show great respect for the human language by replying to future threads like this with the simple words:

STFU K THANX

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Old 04-16-2002, 01:56 PM   #79
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i think we can sum everything up with one symbol:

boo hoo--get over it
and not just you Z--anyone who whines about aspects of the game that they themselves could choose to practice...cheating is ofcourse taboo--but anything else is fair game as far as i'm concerned...so let's uh, stop bouncing this thread--sorry i have to in order to say all this...
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[B]You DO realize that without his saber, a saberist is 100% vulnerable to any and all incoming fire from guns and other sabers.
You DO realize he's talking about ffa duels? dont know where you see guns and other sabers there.

btw. even worse than the whining is the whining about whining or the whining about whining about whining...
if you dont like the thread and consider it whining: DONT ANSWER. i thought everyboby who spent more than 10min on a forum realizes that this way they will just disappear within hours.

but the 'mature' reaction seems to be to insult and tell people to stop whining or stfu. discuss or discuss not, there is no.. hm.. whatever.


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