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Old 04-17-2002, 09:12 AM   #1
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Oh my god

Stop complaining about people using weapons against you.
Join a ONLY SABRE server for godssake and stop being a child!

I know you all want to be a powerful Jedi or Sith which noone can't defeat with ordinary blaster weapons (just like your heroes from the movies), but guess what? It's a game, and weapons would be unessecary in the game then, because everyone would play that overpowered Jedi!

And what do we have if that would be the case?
Yes, saber only fighting people!
So thats why SABER ONLY server exists for you who want to saber fight.
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Old 04-17-2002, 09:24 AM   #2
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We COULD brainwash a certain percentage of the community to play on normal servers with only blasters and Stormtrooper skins. And they can bind a key to say "Hey! You there!" at which point you'll be so enraged that you'll mercilessly hack them to pieces or grip them to plummet from a high death only for them to respawn and the fun to begin!
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Old 04-17-2002, 12:51 PM   #3
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Unhappy It is a sad day for the forum

I don't know about you, but I'm sick and tired of hearing people whine about one thing or another.

It's a game, people. It's supposed to be fun.



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Old 04-17-2002, 02:00 PM   #4
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Isn't there anyone left that...

...thinks the lightsabre is just one of many tools available at your disposal? I'm talking FFA here.

I use whatever fits the situation best. If people are spamming E-11 or primary repeater fire, I do pull out my sabre for defense. I will usually use the sabre over the E-11 if my target also has a sabre out. If I have the Merr-Sonn or thermals I'll use them.

Why is it so hard for people to comprehend that FFA means Free For All - not whine and ***** that people are "gun *****s" OR that "people who use sabres are lame". All weapons and force powers have their use. Including sabres.
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Old 04-17-2002, 02:39 PM   #5
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LOL

too true...
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Old 04-17-2002, 02:42 PM   #6
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i dont put points in my saber in ffa because it sucks hehe =)



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Old 04-17-2002, 02:52 PM   #7
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well if u let urself be killed by someone with a weapon than u obviously have no explored the game.

i can take on any weapon in the game with a lightsaber. for all non-explosive weapons, use saber to reflect all of them back. simple, yes. for projectile weapons, they usually cant carry alot, so just use force push on them and send them back.

simple? yes.
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Old 04-17-2002, 02:56 PM   #8
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am i the only one who finds it fun and entertaining to fight people who use guns by using a saber? i dont ***** or whine about it encourage it dont like getting shot? pull the guy and backstab his ass its simple and easy to do usually causing panick and making the guy use a saber
GUNS VS SABERS IS FAIR
and its extremelly fun
and please dont say guns=no skill because trust me with the right combinations of moves it would take skill to take someone with a saber down with a gun


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Old 04-17-2002, 02:57 PM   #9
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well if u let urself be killed by someone with a weapon than u obviously have no explored the game.

i can take on any weapon in the game with a lightsaber. for all non-explosive weapons, use saber to reflect all of them back. simple, yes. for projectile weapons, they usually cant carry alot, so just use force push on them and send them back.

simple? yes.
heh....i have a few problems with this strategy, the first being that it doesnt work....

do you know what force drain is?

heres how it would go

from a moderate distance, i would use force drain

i shoot you with a rocket launcher repeater or flak cannon

you die

simple, yes?

btw, with those force points i saved on the light saber, i have many many more options available =)

simple math and logic dictates that guns wins vs sabers

you have tons of points that you save from not having a saber...you have a ranged attack...you arent going to be painfully hurt from a loss of force due to drain....



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Old 04-17-2002, 03:16 PM   #10
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simple logic? nah. because while it does have some range, force drain isn't that ranged. however, you need only wait for a projectile to get close enough and send it flying back. it works very well, actually. and it's quite affective.


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Old 04-17-2002, 03:35 PM   #11
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simple math is that i have more points to use on other force powers while you waste tons on the saber....i can use drain to kill your chances big time, because when you are going saber vs guns, the force is your ONLY hope...and with drain, im giong to have tons of health, eliminated basically all of your effective methods of repelling my attacks, and i can use my force powers at will

btw: push does not work well at all when someone doesnt aim at you .... ie shooting from the side at the ground in front of them...

and your mana runs out naturaly faster than my ammo does...

trust me...if you use guns you will have a much much much better chance at winning



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Old 04-17-2002, 04:25 PM   #12
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I _can_ take any weapon on with my lightsaber... but for that matter I _can_ take any weapon on barehanded, given decent force levels. Even so, I'd rather use a gun.

My 'solution' to gun users is to hope they aren't that good a shot (or that I'm good enough to avoid the fire for long enough) and to take their gun away - NOT try to push the projectiles back. The rate of fire (ROF) is too high on the more powerful guns for me to push back every shot. I _have_ pushed them back for the kill before, but I don't ever rely on it.

Guns are more powerful than sabers, but they have limits. They can be stolen, their projectiles can be pushed, they are dependant on AMMO, and every gun (EXCEPT the disruptor) has a lag time which gives you more reaction time to avoid the shot.

Adapt. Use the Force, your saber, your environment, your weapons... there is NO best way to do it. The entire game is one big "Rock-Paper-Scissors"

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Old 04-17-2002, 07:48 PM   #13
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This thread is soooo last week.

Please stop whining about whining.

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Old 04-17-2002, 07:50 PM   #14
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This thread is soooo last week.

Please stop whining about whining.

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please stop whining about whining about whining



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Old 04-17-2002, 07:51 PM   #15
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Yes I know, its a paradox and you can't win.

It would be nice if the search function was turned back on, its getting really annoying seeing the same 10 threads every day from different people.


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Old 04-17-2002, 07:52 PM   #16
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Anyone care for some cheese to go along with their whine?


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Old 04-17-2002, 07:54 PM   #17
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Oh and;

Please stop whining about my whining about their whining about whiners,.....or I will whine some more.

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Old 04-17-2002, 09:40 PM   #18
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Old 04-18-2002, 01:31 AM   #19
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We COULD brainwash a certain percentage of the community to play on normal servers with only blasters and Stormtrooper skins. And they can bind a key to say "Hey! You there!" at which point you'll be so enraged that you'll mercilessly hack them to pieces or grip them to plummet from a high death only for them to respawn and the fun to begin!
Actually, that would be AWESOME.. getting 15 or so people all with a fairly low ping rate to play as stormtroopers, using only the blaster rifle, and then have two Jedi. (Both using Light side powers.. one acting out the role of Apprentice) playing on the Death Star or Star Destroyer maps.... oh what fun that would be.

Even more fun if at the end there was a Darth Vader and Darth Sidious skinned Sith Lord to face.


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Old 04-18-2002, 01:43 AM   #20
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wow!

heres the facts people the ceators of the game made the light sabers and the guns even there is no winning or losing betwine them.

heres the cons and procons for the guns:

procon:yes u can shoot at someone from far away.

con:guns take time to reload and ones that dont (i.e e-11 blaster rilfe) can be bounced back. and while ur realoading someone could come up with a lightsaber and kill u one hit.

procons and cons of lightsaber:

procon:can kill in one hit.

con:short distance have to get up close.

see what i mean its impossible to say that the guns can beat the lightsabers or vice versa. i prove my point


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Old 04-18-2002, 02:15 PM   #21
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simple math is that i have more points to use on other force powers while you waste tons on the saber....i can use drain to kill your chances big time, because when you are going saber vs guns, the force is your ONLY hope...and with drain, im giong to have tons of health, eliminated basically all of your effective methods of repelling my attacks, and i can use my force powers at will

btw: push does not work well at all when someone doesnt aim at you .... ie shooting from the side at the ground in front of them...

and your mana runs out naturaly faster than my ammo does...

trust me...if you use guns you will have a much much much better chance at winning
*thrEEpaGe recieved a swift kick in the face by kold*
just an example of how usefull kick is just run up to the guy kick him while he is on the ground dice him its simple


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Old 04-18-2002, 02:20 PM   #22
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Lol, I would just force pull all of threepages guns and then the little gunspammer would have to run like a wuss. This is what I do to anyone who uses guns on me. It works a charm. Avoid the first few shots, get in to medium distance and pull him. His gun will be pulled away, you have it, and he is forced to switch weapons. This is soooooo easy and I never see anyone trying it. I've ran right through a hail of bullets, force pulled, kicked, then slashed. Dead repeater spammer.
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Old 04-18-2002, 02:46 PM   #23
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And ultimately, this is what folks are complaining about. The sabre IS useless in an FFA game except as a shield. Even then, you're better off assigning your force powers to things like drain, heal, and especially speed, in order to avoid coming into contact with a sabreist, or being able to deal with one if you do.

What a lot of the people who are "whining" about sabres want is for the game to be on an even playing field where the sabre really IS just another weapon, and not the useless POS it is right now.

thrEEpaGe is a perfect example of why this game needs to be modded or why the base game needs serious balance restored to it. Frankly, I don't blame him for playing the way he does. If you want to win, you WON'T use a sabre, and you WON'T assign force points to any of the sabre skills. I played as a gunner for a few games, and I hardly ever got hit by a sabre. I simply assigned my points to pull, push, jump, speed, drain, and grip. Maybe one or two on lightning, I can't remember. Then I'd go grab a repeater or a Merr-Sonn, and proceed to kick the crap out of anyone who approached me. Think they're gonna pull the weapon? Drain 'em. It works in about, oh, 1.5 seconds. Find that they're capable of pushing your secondary repeater fires back at you? Jump or use speed. If you approach at an angle, they won't be able to push the thing back effectively. Right now, on CTF or FFA servers, there's no reason to bother using a lightsabre, and there's no effective way to counter a gunner who's maxed out their other powers. This is one of the major problems in the game, and like I've said elsewhere, if it ain't fixed, this game WILL die.

People will get bored with the same old run-'n'-gun style of playing, and there will be nothing distinctive about this game, except maybe the force powers. Ultimately, it'll be a Q3A mod with professional graphics. I just think that, unless the sabre is made into a viable weapon, the novelty of this game will run its course and people will move on (as I've moved on) to games like Return to Castle Wolfenstein, or simply back to Q3A. Until they fix this stuff, I'm not gonna bother with MP, because it's frankly rather boring. Just your basic, dull deathmatch play, with a minor tweaks to established guns (IE: Merr-Sonn = Rocket Launcher, Repeater = Machine gun/grenade launcher, etc.).

Like I said, I don't blame people who play with guns. The game tacitcly encourages you to go guns/force and avoid the sabre, at least in T/FFA and CTF/Y games. If you want to win, that's how you'll play. If you just want to mess around with a sabre, you can do that, but you won't win much. This is my main reason for wanting Raven to at least LEVEL the playing field. I don't want a sabre to be the ultimate weapon and for guns to be useless, but at the moment, the balance is the total opposite: sabres are useless and guns are the ultimate weapons.
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Old 04-18-2002, 03:00 PM   #24
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simple math is that i have more points to use on other force powers while you waste tons on the saber....i can use drain to kill your chances big time, because when you are going saber vs guns, the force is your ONLY hope...and with drain, im giong to have tons of health, eliminated basically all of your effective methods of repelling my attacks, and i can use my force powers at will

btw: push does not work well at all when someone doesnt aim at you .... ie shooting from the side at the ground in front of them...

and your mana runs out naturaly faster than my ammo does...

trust me...if you use guns you will have a much much much better chance at winning
Which only goes to support the argument that gun use is not balanced properly....IE they shouldn't have access to most of the force powers that they do have now....Which is exactly what Raven looks like they are going to do in a future patch...And when they do you will NOT be able to use this particular tactic because if you use guns you will not have access to force drain, etc. So enjoy your way of playing while you can
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Old 04-18-2002, 03:16 PM   #25
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!!!
If someone shoots you, you pull the gun out of their hand, AND SHOVE IT BACK DOWN THEIR FAT GOB!
IT IS REALLY THAT EASY TO AVOID!!!
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Old 04-18-2002, 03:25 PM   #26
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I guarentee you that most of the whining (not the whining about whining about whining, etc) would stop if more people started treating the saber as JUST ONE WEAPON IN YOUR ARSENAL OF JUSTICE (in an action FPS) instead of THE ONLY weapon in a role playing game.

People who insist on using the saber exclusively in MP, will simply have to put up with getting schooled by people who effectively use all the weapons in the game, or just become that much better in order to still compete.
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Old 04-18-2002, 03:46 PM   #27
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how come no one mentions protect in these guns vs. sabre debates?

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Old 04-18-2002, 04:38 PM   #28
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oh yea and another thing
ITS JUST A GAME
heh who cares if you lose or wins if you die too bad try again if you win good for you


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Old 04-18-2002, 04:41 PM   #29
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Post Beating a dead horse for the fun of it...

Hmmm....I am a father of three who spends little time playing online games anymore. For that matter, I get relatively little gaming time anymore at all. I do try to play 30 min. - 1 hr. of JKII online every other day or so. In other words, I am not able to dedicate my life to playing this game. I don't play all night (wow...sure miss those days ) drinking beer and having a blast with wife and friends online (no dirty comments...). Given that, I am not an expert at JKII by any stretch. SO, my take is this:

Given even the time that I play online, I have learned to at least be on an even playing field with gun users. I usually rank in the top three on CTF servers that I play on. I rarely am below that in score, but am occasionally. I play sabre-force 90% of the time, with the occasional switch to a det pack or rocket when needed. I prefer the sabre, and have not felt the need to switch to primarily guns to stay competitive.

So, I don't play all the time, yet I can play sabre-force and still kick ass. Even on FFA, I rarely am in the lower 60% of rank in score. So, if guns were so much better, then why can I accomplish this? I don't practice like I used to in Q or HL or T2, yet I can still keep an edge. Seems to me like sabre use 90% of the time is doable, as I am doing it. Yeah, I do use other weapons if there is no other alternative. But isn't that what some are saying is impossible cuz sabres suck? Not true. I think its just the skills of the players that are lacking.

As an added handicap, I have severe carpal tunnel syndrome in my mouse hand and must use a trackball. I am no where near as good with that as I am with a mouse. The pain is so bad at times I have to just stop playing. My tendons and nerves are extremely sensitive in that hand, so even typing is a little painful. As I am a sys. admin, I've got no choice but to deal with it. But as a FPS player, I am definately at a disadvantage. Yet I still rank high...

If you see me online late at night or afternoon CST, you will see what I mean.

My $0.02,

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Old 04-18-2002, 05:24 PM   #30
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Old 04-18-2002, 06:08 PM   #31
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JESUS H. CHRIST!

Play where you want, when you want, how you want, with which weapons you want, because here's a revelation--

NO ONE GIVES A GODDAMN ABOUT HOW YOU PLAY!!

Like sabers? Go to a SABER ONLY server.

Like Guns? Go ANYWHERE ELSE.

Quit whining.


QUIT WHINING!
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Old 04-18-2002, 06:11 PM   #32
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I also use the saber about 90% of the time and also manage to score good to very well. The lightsaber is my "tool". Everything else is a "gadget".

Example of cool guns: 5 people fighting with sabers in a tiny room. Throw a grenade in there. Boom. Lol. This is not lame. What would any person do in a combat situation like that? Walk in there? Thats like running head first into one of thhose wood chippers.

Example of lame guns: Shooting someone with the alt-repeater at point blank range (sabering range). If they try to do this, you always have PULL.

I also don't care if I win or lose. If someone totally owns me in a cool way, I will bow down to that person. If someone owns me as a lamer, I think, he's a lamer, so who cares how well he does. Sure, I enjoy being top of the list, but what is wrong with being in the middle? At the end of the day you should just say: I'll do better next time.

Example: One time this guy had at least 10 frags more than me, but I beat him almost every duel we had. Who's better then?
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