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Old 07-19-2001, 03:54 PM   #81
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I see someone else familiar with Star Trek: Invasion.

Which Valkyries were you talking about, the type Is, IIs, or IIIs?

Personally, I like the Type I ship. Valkyrie mark II looks like it was built by klingons, and the mark III just looks bizarre.

Here's one for ya: The Defiant (commanded by Commander Vaughn) against the Executor (with Lord Vader on the bridge).


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Old 07-20-2001, 01:24 AM   #82
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yea, i like the I's myself, theyr are the only ones who look federation in origin, the III's look like romulan vessels.

the game is awesome, the last level took me forever to do.

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Old 07-20-2001, 09:20 PM   #83
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TIE fighters take out a ST ship? Not even close. TIEs use lasers. ST sheilding has advanced to the point lasers won't do jack to them. And the ST phaser targeting system would nail a TIE cold. A phaser packs enough power to vaporize a TIE and most of its' wingmates, and still rock the ship they launched from. The standard ST torpedo can flatten a city, where SW torps take hordes to do the same.

FTL speed is the only advantage (other than sheer size of spacecraft) that SW has over ST.

So no, SW can't beat ST in a fight. But it is a moot point anyway, considering the two universes willl never officailly meet.


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Old 07-20-2001, 10:24 PM   #84
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Agreed. I don't really like crossover fanfic. I prefer "re-interpretation" fanfic.

Not crossing over Star Wars and Star Trek, but putting the Star Trek ships & characters into the Star Wars universe (or vice-versa) and finding a way to do it without violating the "laws" of that universe.

One of these days I'm going to get around to doing my Buffy/Star Wars and Buffy/Star Trek fanfics.

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Old 07-21-2001, 12:22 AM   #85
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Madposter, what I was getting at is, TIE's are too small for the phasers to lock on to. And about the photon torpedoes, they can take out TIE's, but they only have a limited number. Another thing is that if their a huge number of TIE's and one group hit the ship with lasers over and over, that could cause damage.
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WRONG AGAIN. TIEs are an all too easy target for ST ships. The phasers can lock on to a human sized target if they need to. They wouldn't bother to use torpedoes on them, that would be a waste. And TIE laser cannons do NOTHING to the ST sheilds.


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Old 07-21-2001, 07:11 PM   #87
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MadPoster... your not actually being serious are you?

Oh well, first time for everything I guess

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Old 07-21-2001, 08:11 PM   #88
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lol.........

for once i actually AGREE with madposter.
TIEs couldnt do anything to a Trek ship, or any rebel craft, for that matter.

if luke thinks he can whip the Enterprise in an x-wing using the force, he's dead wrong.

In a battle, Trek would make Wars look like a horde of jedi masters facing 2 or 3 banthas.




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Old 07-21-2001, 08:32 PM   #89
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*Gasps* obiwan13 *shakes head in dismay* I never thought you were a TRAITOR- how could you say that?


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Old 07-21-2001, 11:13 PM   #90
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I say it's about time we break out the crosses. hehehee...
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Old 07-21-2001, 11:52 PM   #91
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I just think that the ST vs SW debate is stupid. It is like comparing apples to thick, juicy, meaty, tasty hamburgers, smothered in mustard, with bacon, and cheese, and tomatoes, and... Damn. I'm hungery. Who's gonna go get some burgers? I'll buy.


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Old 07-22-2001, 01:57 AM   #92
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MadPoster, I agree with you on that. This is getting stupid. It's starting to remind me of that dispute I got into with someone over abortion. It got to the point that if we both kept up we would've been temporaily banned.
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Old 07-22-2001, 07:28 AM   #93
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My 2 cents:
TIEs could swarm a starship, because the lasers would have to lock on to each individual ship.

How do you know blasters fire "lasers"? Where has that been said? They use tibanna gas to produce the blaster shot, and for all we know a blaster could be composed of something similer to phaser fire. So that point is moot, unless you can prove otherwise, which you can't. As a matter of fact, we cant prove any of this, but dah-well....

Besides, all you would have to do is get a group of Jedi and or sith together and have them use the Force to slag the shield genorators. Or they could take control of the minds of the command crew to lower the shields...or self destruct the ship and lock out all the controls...or transport JarJar aboards so he can annoy them to death or get them to commit suicide....
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Old 07-22-2001, 11:42 AM   #94
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*Gasps* obiwan13 *shakes head in dismay* I never thought you were a TRAITOR- how could you say that?
i'm not a traitor, I have more star wars stuff than a jawa has droids.

It's just i was surfin the net and saw where Trek and Wars met in a war, and trek came out on top, and left SW like the klingon Empire.

I thought that was quite disturbing, so i looked at several other fanfics, from ST AND SW fans, who both determined ST would be on top, so i decided to 'except the ineadable' and decide trek would win in a war.

but as i said, i have a lot SW merchindise, and the only thing i have of trek is a 2 video games. BTW, the only trek i like is TNG, and enterprise is gonna rule!




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Old 07-22-2001, 12:04 PM   #95
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What about man to man?saber V.S.
Phaser eh!!
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Old 07-22-2001, 12:47 PM   #96
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i disagree with this:
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Besides, all you would have to do is get a group of Jedi and or sith together and have them use the Force to slag the shield genorators. Or they could take control of the minds of the command crew to lower the shields...or self destruct the ship and lock out all the controls

ST has it share of powerful telepaths and psychics. Whole races of 'em, so force users wouldn't be a huge advantage.

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...or transport JarJar aboards so he can annoy them to death or get them to commit suicide....
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Old 07-22-2001, 02:40 PM   #97
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SW would beat ST any day of the week. For one SW Has better/Stronger characters . Two they all have a background history that wipes the floor with any character from ST.


Luke Skywalker vs. Captian Kirk
Weapon: Lightsaber/Force vs. Vaser up to settings

Han Solo vs. Spock
Weapon: Blaster vs. Vaser

Darth Vader vs. Worf
Weapon: Lightsaber/Force vs. Sword Staff

Ya pick who wins Iam not sure about Spock and Solo though but I know the Jedi and Sith and even the Dark Jedi would kill the ST Characters.


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Old 07-22-2001, 04:58 PM   #98
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Sure, Trek has telepaths, but not many serve on starships, and even then, do you really think they are more powerfull than Jedi?

Forget Jedi, get a few Dark Jedi/Sith together and they can take out a whole starship just using the force and cutting off blood flow to the brain in the crew. 1 Sec and its all over. :-D
Lets see them fancy schmancy shields stop that. hehe.
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Old 07-22-2001, 06:09 PM   #99
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I guess your not a traitor... just misguided!



oh yeah... thanks again for the great sig pic
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Old 07-22-2001, 08:08 PM   #100
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traitor? nah. misguided? maybe. great sig? HECK YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, i used to hunt down sigs for people that wanted me too, back in the day.




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Old 07-23-2001, 01:21 PM   #101
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(*)So lets finally say
WARS can kick treck's ass
any day!
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Old 07-23-2001, 02:23 PM   #102
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Let's not and say this whole thing is below even me.


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Old 07-23-2001, 04:18 PM   #103
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man, i didnt know the topic would reach 101, i mean,102 posts.

this is turnin out to be one of those posts that get a lot of attention, like the debate over abortion, and that was a serious, real life matter.

BTW, anyone remember how many posts and pages long it was?




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Old 07-23-2001, 04:53 PM   #104
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oh yeah I think everyone already knew that it would I mean come on. Two very powerful Science Fiction Movies.

Star Wars and Star Trek Fans are mortal Enemies to each other. I for one am a Die Hard Star Wars Fan and I know its safe to say that Star Wars wins.


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Old 07-23-2001, 05:18 PM   #105
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Technically, you are also one of us.

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Old 07-23-2001, 05:36 PM   #106
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lol I would liek to see that that would be FUnny as hell.

Seeing The All Borg Race against "The Choosen One" "Darth Vader" . But Iam afriad that Darth Vader is even close to a Borg as far as Personailty. Machine yes. But the Borg Suck and Darth Vader is not even close to a Borg.


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Old 07-24-2001, 12:22 PM   #107
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Old 07-24-2001, 02:27 PM   #108
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lol


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Old 07-26-2001, 03:07 PM   #109
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Captian Vader, just let the topic die.

If your boring Madposter, it must be dumb!
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Old 07-26-2001, 09:26 PM   #110
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NO!! WE MUST PERSERVE THIS TOPIC!!!!!!!!!

j/k, i don't really care.

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Old 07-28-2001, 02:13 AM   #111
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Why do I suddenly feel stupid about saying that TIE's can take on a starship? don't know why, if I did..........then, I wouldn't know what I'd do.
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Old 08-07-2001, 02:50 AM   #112
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Why did it take 1,000 episodes and countless movies for Star Trek to be as popular as Star Wars?! All Star Wars needed was 6 episodes. It's simple math people... I have never been, never will like Star Trek. A series like that just lowers the standards of sci-fi in general.

Star Wars =
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Your argument is fallacious.

The original Star Trek was cancelled after one season, but was revived by popular demand. Thousands of fans wrote to Desilu Studios demanding first reruns, then syndication. The continuing series (TNG, DS9, and Voyager) could not have existed without the continuing effort and demand of the fan community.

Star Wars was popular with the first theatrical release of A New Hope. Its popularity grew with the release of Empire and Jedi. After Jedi, Lucas effectively suspended his Star Wars input. There was no public outcry.

Currently, Star Trek and Star Wars appear to be equally popular. However, Star Trek may be entering a period of decline with the creation of the "Enterprise" series.


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i agree with borg, without a prequal of star wars, it would have been dead a long time ago.

Lucas didn't want anyone to forget the movie that made him a millionaire,so he released and then re-released and "master edition" version of the movie to remind the people.

my prsonal opinion, epI made star wars what it is today. and Enterprise is gonna rule.




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Old 08-08-2001, 09:00 PM   #115
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I guess I'll never know why anyone, even the lowest scum in the universe would like Star Trek (no offence anyone).
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Old 08-09-2001, 02:25 PM   #116
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ST has been around a long time, and has a stronger following than SW. Almost 40 years for ST, as opposed to 25 for SW. Also ST is aimed at adults, while SW seems more and more for the kiddies. Rodenberry's legecy has survived his death, while GL's universe may not survive his life (if this keeps up, I'll help kill it!)

But it doesn't matter which you like, or, like me, enjoy both for their own merits (and faults notwithstanding).

Read/watch whatever you want- there is no need to be a moron and flame someone for there choice of entertainment.
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*stands and claps after omn.'s speach*

i like both, but it's up to you to decide, i just wish SW would make a tv series, then we'll see who the winner of the tele is.




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Old 08-12-2001, 05:45 PM   #118
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Am I the only one who remembers Droids and Ewoks?

Though I do agree that a modern series (whether animated, CG, or live-action) would be unspeakably cool.

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Old 08-17-2001, 02:40 AM   #119
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Old 08-19-2001, 01:14 AM   #120
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Well hey, I don't know about you. But Voyager got stupid. What's up with that? Star Wars is better...now that new title is well...it sounds like something from an old monster movie...what is up with that?
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