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Old 05-07-2002, 07:56 AM   #121
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Angry Not good at all....

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My only complaint is the JUMPKICK!!! Back to 1 jump PLZ!
You have got my 100% support on that!
Who here has ever heard anyone complain about the jump-kick?
Totally uncalled for.

Grip

Grip was easily countered before, and when someone got me with it before, I granted them that. Now what's the point of that force? When is it practical to use?

Drain

Loved this force, only used it in self-defense.
Never did Drain/Grip, Drain/Lightning. Was a good way to counter gun-spammers.

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Overall, I feel as if this was a patch to appease those who don't take the time to learn the full game mechanics. Now it's just a swing fest based more upon luck and less upon skill (but not all luck).
So true...


I am saddened by this patch ... will try to adapt, just hope it doesn't destroy this great game...

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Old 05-07-2002, 08:23 AM   #122
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For Pete's sake! It isn't random! The fact that there is so much blocking now means that you should concentrate even harder on when to land a hit. It is just more difficult. How can you call it random when its' basics are so simple? He attacks, you block/evade, hit him at the end of his swing. It really still isn't that difficult. I don't get "lucky" when I hit home, I bloody well intended to.
Grip is still far from usesless. You can throw people with it quite easily, just swing the mouse and let them go and you can throw people over edges instead of dropping them.
Drain still grabs a lot of force from your opponent so as a defensive measure it still works fine. Want to stop him using X force? Just practice with your saber to be able to kill him quicker.
Practice people, can't stress this enough. Learn when to attack and when not to. Don't just hit and dodge.
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Old 05-07-2002, 08:41 AM   #123
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Personally I never saw the problem with gunners in the first place. One force pull and they stop shooting. It is sooooo simple. But no-one ever does it online. I mean, I pulled a frickin' arsenal out of the hands of this dude... every time he whipped out a new weapon I would just steal it and thus he was too busy switching weapons to fight. On the other hand, I can whip out a gun and pummel a saber user because he doesn't seem to think of pulling me. He just runs after me seemingly hoping for me to stand still.
What was annoying was people spamming the alt-fire like crazy. Nothing but alt-fire. Even though these people are darn easy to kill once you get close, the trouble is still having to get close. Try it when someone is spamming alt-flechette down a corridor and you have to go through it. Completely impossible. It's like walzing through a minefield. With less ammo we won't see this type of behaviour anymore and maybe people will learn how to AIM.
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Old 05-07-2002, 08:44 AM   #124
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iFeel mouse support. Now I can feel the lightsaber as I use it. Thank you Raven/Lucasarts!
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Old 05-07-2002, 09:06 AM   #125
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All do respect, but the guns were ****ed up man in ffa... did u see any super bomb guns in starwars movies etc? god sake u need to run like a pig if someone try to shoot u with one of those...

sure grenade launchers is for the quake games....

EXCELLENT WORK RAVEN !!!
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Old 05-07-2002, 09:31 AM   #126
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i am grateful that they changed the saber to work in multiplayer just as it works in singleplayer, that'll allow acrobatic fights just as i have against the reborn/tavion in singleplayer... mhhhh... acrobatic...
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Old 05-07-2002, 09:31 AM   #127
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I bought this game.. I have the right to complain about whateva the hell i wanna
You paid for the game. All patches are free. Raven could just tell you to go play outside, instead of bothering to do a patch to issue all this stuff. It's a FREE patch, so you have no right to complaint

This patch is GREAT. You guys sould like the CS bunny hopping community when 1.4 came out. "WE WANT BUNNY BACK!". Jeez!

GREAT WORK RAVEN. I LOVE RAVEN!
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Old 05-07-2002, 09:38 AM   #128
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Question ?

The patch is part of support for the game. He has paid for it.

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Old 05-07-2002, 09:42 AM   #129
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just my 2 cents...

Im not tying to sound like a braggart or anything, but i was a really good player for the pre patch, i only met one person online who was a challenge. I destroyed everyone else, and i never used those DFA crap or whatever, i dont understand how everyone was complaining, i almost never died to those moves, they were easy as hell to avoid and left the other person open for the attack. I also never used force heal or drain beacause they are pathetic powers used by the weak imo.
That's a bunch of crap. I would see someone pull a DFA move and dodge to the left or right with a roll, stand up move away SEE the guy swing and miss and then I'd DIE... with 160ms ping. Granted on most servers I play with 100 or less. But still..

Is it just me or can the DFA move even be done!? I would still like to do it for a finisher!! It seems the timing for the medium finisher has been altered as well... which is cool too.
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Old 05-07-2002, 09:43 AM   #130
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Well then you can all go ahead and keep whining until Raven gets so sick of it that they don't offer any support anymore.
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Old 05-07-2002, 09:53 AM   #131
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Exclamation ...

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Well then you can all go ahead and keep whining until Raven gets so sick of it that they don't offer any support anymore.
God damn!

What kind of kinder garden mentality is that?!

We're just giving constructive criticism, which we are entitled to... whining is what you are doing.

It's our right to like or dislike the patch, we don't care to comment about what you think of the patch, we just want to be heard.

So grow up and stop calling people whiners!

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Old 05-07-2002, 10:02 AM   #132
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All in all, the patch is cool as beans, I agree with PLENTY of players light style is not as useless anymore, and is faster than before in my opinion.

Sorta the Ninja style attack now with quick slashes and fast spins, combined with light's already top notch blocking abilities. Someone with good reflexes with light should do real well in battles. Yes they will be drawn out, but I THINK, taking someone out like a raving chainsaw is cool if your good.

Medium is still good you can no longer pinwheel about a map like Richard Simmons in a men's locker room. I think that's good. I found that move ridiculous and walking on to a server with two-three people spinning around like Brian Boitano on crack seemed very un-Star Wars like and ludicrous.

Heavy, even though I liked to use it, was too powerful, and with the game being out for 2 months, almost, I was getting to the point that every server was the same thing. A bunch of kids doing DFA and overhead swings. Dumb! Heavy is still strong, it can kill you in 2-3 hits, and is still a faster way to dispatch an opponent than light or medium. Although if your heavy against light, your going to have to maneuver your way around, and be smart about which hits to take... YOU MEAN YOU CAN'T JUST SWING AND KILL SOMEONE EVEN IF THEIR BLOCKING!?!? OH NOS!!

90% of you wanted this according to all the complaints on this forum. Hell, I think Raven read THIS forum and used it to make the patch. I agree with this patch 100%, although I am SURE if it still needs tweaking we will be downloading patch 1.06 or something in the future, again-if need be.

If you want to know who's complaining, here is who they are:

1) DFA monkeys.

2) Drain monkeys, who like to DFA as well.

3) People who like to switch on heavy mode, run in and hack wildly. These people also drink coffee and eat Twinkies while engaged in ritualistic Hacking Combat style.

4) People who like to win games by entering in cheat codes, exploiting bugs, and DFA monkeys.

If you suddenly realize that you DO NOT fall into the above categories, DO NOT be surprised if you LOVE THIS PATCH. If you do fall into this category I await your next post, which should go something like this:

Hey man! Who do you think you are! I loved JK2 before the patch NOW THE GAME IS RUINED I AM HAVING MY NAME LEGALLY CHANGED BACK from DeSANN to Jack Hanna. Medium sucks now!!! I used to use it to fool people to get close to me then DFA. NOT THAT I USE DFA ALOT. NO, I only drained/grip/pull/push then swing wildly in heavy. Well.. that's not true necessarily. I would DFA then medium finish. Hell when I wake up in the morning I DFA my face into the bathroom sink to brush my teeth!! BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT!! I WANT TO KILL PEOPLE LIKE IT WAS A QUAKE3 GAME YEAH!!! I want to walk onto a server and just see bodies... I don't want to think about playing, just push FIRE and BOOM.. people are falling down faster than I can dookie streak my underpants. This patch makes me play, this patch means I have to think and change styles, and that OTHER people can kill me with LIGHT STANCE while I perform a DFA!! THAT'S NOT FAIR ... NYAH NYAH NYAH I HATE THIS GAME

These are the same people that later, when an exploit will be found in 1.03 will be like:

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH SPAMMING WITH REPEATER SECONDARY MAN!!! ITS IN THE GAME STOP WHINING BECAUSE I ROCK YOUR SOCKS!!! STOP COMPLAINING!!! STOP AHAHHAAHHAH JUST GET ON THE SERVER SO YOU CAN DIE!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! By the way SABERS SUCK NOW!! HAHAHAH!! I LOVE THIS GAME BECAUSE THE GUN ROCKS"

Simpletons.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:04 AM   #133
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Selling my JK2, who wants?
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:04 AM   #134
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But you don't get much constructive criticism...
All you get is this and that is nerfed and now it sucks. Constructive criticism would be more along the lines of such:

I feel the DFA has been toned down too much. Not being able to turn has taken away too much of it's accuracy. Having less damage and making it harder to execute would have been better.

That is a voiced opinion. What you usually get is:

It's nerfed. It sucks now. I hate you Raven.

Which is stupid.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:07 AM   #135
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Re: ?

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The patch is part of support for the game. He has paid for it.

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But Y are you all so angry about? You dont NEED the stupid patch, let the loosers use it and the real players play the game the way it was ment to be....
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:08 AM   #136
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Question Patch is OK But...

[FONT=century gothic]So, i've been looking forward to this patch for a while now and am quite pleased. The only thing is why is saber throw now a non-force powerWHAT THE HELL IS THIS Raven gets rid of the a extreamly cheap move( i.e 1 hit kill) and puts in another way for people to be cheap? Why o Why wouldn't they make it optional? Saber throw= gay
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:10 AM   #137
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Even though these people are darn easy to kill once you get close, the trouble is still having to get close. Try it when someone is spamming alt-flechette down a corridor and you have to go through it. Completely impossible. It's like walzing through a minefield. With less ammo we won't see this type of behaviour anymore and maybe people will learn how to AIM.
The only weapon that needed toning down was the repeater the Flechette and rocket alt-fire (or primary) can be deflected with push. That corridor scenario all you had to do was run in pushing and the balls would go back to the shooter. Pull is tough on a repeater spammer because as you mentioned, which is a good point, its hard to get to a spammer.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:11 AM   #138
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Selling my JK2, who wants?
Now that is just silly...
Why? Why do you want ot give this game up? Tell me, honestly... what is it that makes you hate the game now? Please, not "because X force power is useless, DFA nerfed, etc..." but get down to the core of what is bothering you... Could it be, because you are no good at it?
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:11 AM   #139
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Although I havent saber throw spammed.. I believe that can be dodged, jumped over, and blocked quite easily, especially with light style...

Also a saber throw doesn't kill in 1 hit. Try a push or a pull when they saber throw to confuse the bejesus out of your opponent.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:15 AM   #140
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Plus, I think if you time it just right now, you can knock the saber onto the floor. Then he is WIDE OPEN for attack. Otherwise just block the sucker or don't leave yourself open unless you are almost sure of a hit.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:17 AM   #141
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But Y are you all so angry about? You dont NEED the stupid patch, let the loosers use it and the real players play the game the way it was ment to be....

Timeline:

- You are home watching Star WArs Episode One in your Jar Jar jammies waiting for JK2 to come out so you can trade in your Pappa Rappa games for it at EB.

- JK2 comes out. With no public beta, Raven and LucasArts reap the profits.

- People start to write guides on how to play, all say the same thing, heavy is the best, do a DFA, and finish with a medium hit, or something, it doesn't matter heavy rules.

- Noobs who got the game die horrible deaths at the hands of DFA monkeys. Raven takes notice.

- People complain. Raven takes more notice.

- Servers are all about the DFA and the heavy stance. Through e-mails, Raven states that heavy will be tweaked, and other components will be balanced requiring more finess than mindless spamming (as Star Wars is in the FILMS).

- More people complain.

- Patch comes out. Chaos erupts.

- You decide Star Wars JK2 should be your own private game. Not like the films, but more like one-hit spamfest. You become frustrated that one click.. DOES NOT do it all. You find your Jar Jar panties and slap them back on.

- People praise the patch! All three styles become important.

- You decide to play JK1.

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Where exactly on the timeline are you?
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By the way Chub Rock, what in the world is a looser?
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:24 AM   #142
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Selling my JK2, who wants?
Wah.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:27 AM   #143
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Why do people say it's a bad thing that guns have been toned down? The farther away from Q3 and the closer to a real SW game the better IMHO.

If I'd wanted to play Q3 then I would have bought Q3.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:28 AM   #144
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Well, if the community does split into two, original version and patched versions, then I bet all the n00bs and the lamers are going to be the ones that stick with 1.02. Even then, almost all the servers WILL be updated if you like it or not so having the original version means you'll have to search forever to find a server. And when you do it will be full of DFA spammers.
People who are good at this game will continue with the patch and get increasingly better. We'll all have loads of fun as Raven helps us out with other patches/fixes in the future making the game even better than it is now (which is hard).
Soon all the n00bs, lamers, whatever, will get lost and we'll have an outstanding community with lots of good players. After all, SoF2 and UT2003 are practically here, that should get rid of the people without any skill.
I'm am soooo happy that I won't be seeing anymore people who just bunnyhop across the map with DFA hoping for the best. And if they do, they will soon realise what a bloody stupid way to play the game it is. If you just want to jump into things and instantly kill them, go play Sonic the Hedgehog or something. Maybe it's simplicity will correspond well with your brain.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:33 AM   #145
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What was annoying was people spamming the alt-fire like crazy. Nothing but alt-fire. Even though these people are darn easy to kill once you get close, the trouble is still having to get close. Try it when someone is spamming alt-flechette down a corridor and you have to go through it. Completely impossible. It's like walzing through a minefield. With less ammo we won't see this type of behaviour anymore and maybe people will learn how to AIM.
Use push. You can counter almost every projectile weapon, except the repeater's alt-fire with push. Including thermal dets and rockets.

Push and pull are my best friends . Mind trick is fun, too
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:38 AM   #146
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Do'h... thanks, but I figured that out the day I bought this game... about 5-6 weeks ago now. The problem is that force push can't keep up with the rate of fire of the weapon. I only have two force binds and they are push and pull. V.v.v.v.v.v.very important. Admittedly though, push makes a world of difference if you can send at least half of what he is shooting back at him. And you can push back the repeater alt-fire, it just usually doens't go very far back because of the arc it travels in.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:50 AM   #147
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push and pull are good

ive got traditional ADWS strafe keys, R is bound to drain, V to push C to pull, F to selected force (often grip) and its no stretch to tap F3 for speed, my force binds own =)
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:53 AM   #148
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Question ok....?

Is calling people n00bs and lamers constructive criticism by your opinion?


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Re: Re: Re: ?

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Timeline:

- You are home watching Star WArs Episode One in your Jar Jar jammies waiting for JK2 to come out so you can trade in your Pappa Rappa games for it at EB.

- JK2 comes out. With no public beta, Raven and LucasArts reap the profits.

- People start to write guides on how to play, all say the same thing, heavy is the best, do a DFA, and finish with a medium hit, or something, it doesn't matter heavy rules.

- Noobs who got the game die horrible deaths at the hands of DFA monkeys. Raven takes notice.

- People complain. Raven takes more notice.

- Servers are all about the DFA and the heavy stance. Through e-mails, Raven states that heavy will be tweaked, and other components will be balanced requiring more finess than mindless spamming (as Star Wars is in the FILMS).

- More people complain.

- Patch comes out. Chaos erupts.

- You decide Star Wars JK2 should be your own private game. Not like the films, but more like one-hit spamfest. You become frustrated that one click.. DOES NOT do it all. You find your Jar Jar panties and slap them back on.

- People praise the patch! All three styles become important.

- You decide to play JK1.

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Where exactly on the timeline are you?
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By the way Chub Rock, what in the world is a looser?
Well Dear Mr Foolish.

Im on the same timeline as most people on earth. You on the other hand seem to think you come from Hoth or somewhare.. People that complain that the game is to hard, (you) should try SIMS och any Tycoon game,, maby you can make it without a walkthrue. This patch is 4 loosers that are to lazy to get skilled at it.
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Old 05-07-2002, 10:58 AM   #150
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Begun... this patch war... has

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Old 05-07-2002, 11:08 AM   #151
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Well, if the community does split into two, original version and patched versions, then I bet all the n00bs and the lamers are going to be the ones that stick with 1.02. Even then, almost all the servers WILL be updated if you like it or not so having the original version means you'll have to search forever to find a server. And when you do it will be full of DFA spammers.
People who are good at this game will continue with the patch and get increasingly better. We'll all have loads of fun as Raven helps us out with other patches/fixes in the future making the game even better than it is now (which is hard).
Soon all the n00bs, lamers, whatever, will get lost and we'll have an outstanding community with lots of good players. After all, SoF2 and UT2003 are practically here, that should get rid of the people without any skill.
I'm am soooo happy that I won't be seeing anymore people who just bunnyhop across the map with DFA hoping for the best. And if they do, they will soon realise what a bloody stupid way to play the game it is. If you just want to jump into things and instantly kill them, go play Sonic the Hedgehog or something. Maybe it's simplicity will correspond well with your brain.
Actually it'll be the noobs and lamers that go with the patch. I spent a couple hours playing last night before I went to bed and saber fighting is no longer about timing and skill. Now it's all about spamming your sword attacks all over the place with very little thought about leaving yourself open. Why is there no more thought about leaving opens for your enemy to exploit you ask? Very simple because now (hmm I'll be generous with this estimate) 75% of the time you auto block. That's great for making the fights LOOK more like the movies, but now your weapon that can cut through steel (or whatever they're made of) blast doors cant cut through someone's shirt.

I've seen alot of good points with the anti-patch posts and I agree with em really. There never was any really good arguments for the changes that were made. People complained about DFA instead of learning to fight against it (and there were plenty of ways to do so).

Btw, for those who are upset about DFA being nerfed horribly it has been replaced with a new one hit kill that is faster and more versatile than the DFA ever was, beware enemies running backwards and ya might wanna put a few points into force seeing now.
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Old 05-07-2002, 11:11 AM   #152
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Re: ok....?

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Is calling people n00bs and lamers constructive criticism by your opinion?


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Ooooooh, V-tecc is holier than thou...
No it isn't constructive criticism but that wasn't it's point now was it? I call "them" n00bs and lamers because they are. Just like someone who beats people up on the street all day can be called a common thug.
Are you just waiting for a chance to flame me or what? Get of my back, frustrated person.

The only criticism I ever gave DFA myself is that you get too many people depending on just that one move. It gets boring quickly and the collision detection needed tweaking.
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Old 05-07-2002, 11:12 AM   #153
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I've played for a couple of hours and 2 things stand out to me:

1) Blocking. Sooooo much blocking going on. I could kill folks before in under 5 seconds sometimes. My fastest kill today was probably 20 seconds. Longest duel today? 4 minutes. That is a long time to be fighting someone. With all the fewer kills (noone ever finisehed a game with the same amount of kills as time) the game seems slower paced.

2) Heavy, toned down ALOT. DFA- cannot spin after landing, sabre damage area is smaller(just like the manual says, you have to be accurate), won't kill in 1 hit. Also I noticed when you swing your running speed slows down alot. Not so in Yellow or Blue.


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Old 05-07-2002, 11:27 AM   #154
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Ooooooh, V-tecc is holier than thou...
No it isn't constructive criticism but that wasn't it's point now was it? I call "them" n00bs and lamers because they are. Just like someone who beats people up on the street all day can be called a common thug.
Are you just waiting for a chance to flame me or what? Get of my back, frustrated person.

The only criticism I ever gave DFA myself is that you get too many people depending on just that one move. It gets boring quickly and the collision detection needed tweaking.
No I wont flame you, why would I want to do that? But if you can't handle me responding to what you are writing, then maybe you should re-think about if writing in this forum really is the thing for you.

And I think it's frightening that you compare "n00bs" with someone robbing people in real life.

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Old 05-07-2002, 11:36 AM   #155
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You can push away repeater alt fire with Push too, it was just way too fast to keep up with.
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Old 05-07-2002, 11:37 AM   #156
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God damn!

What kind of kinder garden mentality is that?!

We're just giving constructive criticism, which we are entitled to... whining is what you are doing.

It's our right to like or dislike the patch, we don't care to comment about what you think of the patch, we just want to be heard.

So grow up and stop calling people whiners!

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No it is stuff like this that gets me miffed and then I feel the need to defend my point of view, especially since I'm bloody good at this game Before Patch and am still doing well now that it is here. I dare say I know a n00b on a server when I see one.
What I meant with the common thug comparison is that it is easy to lable these people because they have very stereotypical behaviour.
I just mean that, since I did well before and am doing well after patch, it isn't the game that is at fault. It is the people who are playing it.
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No I wont flame you, why would I want to do that? But if you can't handle me responding to what you are writing, then maybe you should re-think about if writing in this forum really is the thing for you.

And I think it's frightening that you compare "n00bs" with someone robbing people in real life.

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Old 05-07-2002, 11:47 AM   #158
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If you do it right you can still achieve a one hit kill with Heavy Stance.

The radius has been toned down and it's much slower now - but that's most likely the way it should be, when something is 'heavy'.

The problem people had with it before was that with heavy stance a person could hit your 3 ft. + away - especially if there was the slightest lag.

Now it requires that the person actually touches you with the saber.

Heavy is great for a final kill, but the main focus of the game will now be with light and medium and close combat.
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Old 05-07-2002, 11:48 AM   #159
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Well then you can all go ahead and keep whining until Raven gets so sick of it that they don't offer any support anymore.
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No it is stuff like this that gets me miffed and then I feel the need to defend my point of view
Yet you attack others when they have a point of view and call them whiners.

This bothers me and thats why I respond

I too was good at this game before the patch, in fact I rarely lost.
And I (so far) don't like the patch. that's my opinion and I'll defend it if I must.

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Old 05-07-2002, 11:52 AM   #160
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I too was good at this game before the patch, in fact I rarely lost.
And I (so far) don't like the patch. that's my opinion and I'll defend it if I must.

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I think we should all just play the new style of the game for about a week or so and attempt to get used to it.

If we still don't like it, sure, start working on a patch request thread.

The transition from SP to MP was very frustrating for a lot of people because the saber style was so different.

Now it's probably easier for SP players to get into MP.

I personally find the saber style now easier to control, and I first thought that any gameplay tweaks would be bad for the game.

How about giving it a week of serious open-minded attempts at playing and than come back and tell everyone what's wrong?

Good deal?
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