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Royally, get rid of it, it\'s ruined the game 89 48.37%
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Old 05-08-2002, 04:02 AM   #1
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All who hate the patch, post here

Sigh. When the beer tastes good, don't water it down.

The tempo, style, and gameplay of JKO has been changed so drastically with this patch that I personally don't enjoy the game anymore.

Did all the whining newbs that didn't know how to get out of a griP™ or avoid being drained cry enough for this to happen to an insanely fun game? So what if the one hitter was powerful, or you could griP™ off a ledge...experienced players can avoid these things, and I am one of them.

Instead of screwing with the game mechanics, why not just make more maps like BGJ where you cant griP™ someone off a ledge? Or tweak force powers that SUCK like some light-sides instead of killing the ones that make the game fun??

Now what was an even paced game has been transformed into a watered down-swinging-fest that is more reminiscent of it's ancient predecessor. I think I would rather go play Jedi Knight, the force powers are now similar and so is the saber fighting.

And it aint 49.99...since the patch has changed the game so drastically, I would like to claim dissatisfaction with the product and receive a prompt refund. LucasArts/Raven, are you listening?


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Old 05-08-2002, 04:09 AM   #2
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Old 05-08-2002, 04:26 AM   #3
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I hate the new patch for reasons I have mentioned on numerous previous occassions. mostly because saber fighting, no matter what people say, is worse now.

There is so much blocking and so many "pretty flashes of lights oooooo" that i have no idea if i just hit the other guy, or if he just hit me. Was the saber fighting really so bad in 1.02 that they had to completely overhaul. And to everyone who says it's really not that different, did you even play the game before today? The only way you could not notive a drastic change is if you used to just run around spinning in yellow or blue, instead of performing controlled combos. There are no more controlled combos, everything gets blocked which interrupts the combos. Or the combos have become so slow that they are useless because someone will just throw their saber at you. So you end up just rushing them with blue or yellow like a headless chicken.

Please make saber fighting back to what it used to be. I can't see how anyone who used to play before today can honestly say they like this system better. I really don't think they are human.
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Old 05-08-2002, 04:31 AM   #4
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Old 05-08-2002, 04:39 AM   #5
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Thumbs down patch? is this a patch?

I think this is actually the Beta that was accidentally released as a patch. What am I saying, I think Raven originally intended for saber fights to happen with your opponent charging you backwards hoping to land a reverse spinning slash- just like the movies!!!

Saber is now lame.

Force is now lame.

Game is now lame.

I'll now be sure to tell friends to save their $50.

Hey Raven just in case I forgot.................Thanks for ruining a halfway MP decent game. My JKII disc can now keep JKI disc company in the back of my closet!!!

Thanks again guys.
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Old 05-08-2002, 07:27 AM   #6
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WHINERS !!!!!!!!

If you don`t like it ..... MOVE TO RUSSIA
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Old 05-08-2002, 07:40 AM   #7
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WHINERS !!!!!!!!

If you don`t like it ..... MOVE TO RUSSIA
Sounds like you're a racist, no?


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Old 05-08-2002, 07:40 AM   #8
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The patch has totally screwed up the balance of the game.

The patch is the direct result of all the WHINING that went on on these forums.

What should we do? they screwed it up, apparently whining is the only way to get anything across to the developers. Sitting here and silently hoping that the competitive scene somehow survives is just ridiculous.

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Old 05-08-2002, 07:44 AM   #9
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I wonder why Raven tweaked the hold DFA (heavy stance 1-hitter)...

cuz people are whining and moaning and b*tching about it on the forum


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Old 05-08-2002, 07:45 AM   #10
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Sounds like you're a racist, no?
Sounds like you're on drugs, no ?
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Old 05-08-2002, 07:53 AM   #11
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Sounds like you're on drugs, no ?
A little translation from your quote: WHINER, MOVE TO RUSSIA, therefore, you're concluding all Russians are whiner, no? what makes you think that? And now let me re-ask YOUR question: Sounds like you're on drugs, no?


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Old 05-08-2002, 08:02 AM   #12
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I hate the patch with a passion. N00bs rejoice (they are the only ones that like it because they can actualy kill someone now). I won't be playing MP until they fix this mess.


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Old 05-08-2002, 08:06 AM   #13
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Now who`s putting words into peoples mouths ?

That`s only your translation. not mine.... sounds like you have spat your dummy out
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Old 05-08-2002, 08:06 AM   #14
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god. u guys asked for sp saber combat. and they brought it to u. and now that u were too used to mp combat and dont wanna get used to sp combat again u hate them? gah. you guys whine at everything. no matter what they do, you people just find 1 single flaw in the game, and start to complain. god. u people make me sick. u wanna do better guys? go and make ur own jk game and we'll see how many complaints u get from it.


on the current issue, the combat is good still. but to satisfy both people in the next patch, why not just make an option for sp style combat and mp style combat for the dedicated server admins. so they decide if they want the new combat or the old combat.
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Old 05-08-2002, 08:08 AM   #15
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god. u guys asked for sp saber combat. and they brought it to u. and now that u were too used to mp combat and dont wanna get used to sp combat again u hate them? gah. you guys whine at everything. no matter what they do, you people just find 1 single flaw in the game, and start to complain. god. u people make me sick. u wanna do better guys? go and make ur own jk game and we'll see how many complaints u get from it.


on the current issue, the combat is good still. but to satisfy both people in the next patch, why not just make an option for sp style combat and mp style combat for the dedicated server admins. so they decide if they want the new combat or the old combat.
WELL PUT !!
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Old 05-08-2002, 08:08 AM   #16
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Here, I brought a platter of cheese to go with your whines.
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Old 05-08-2002, 08:09 AM   #17
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Now who`s putting words into peoples mouths ?

That`s only your translation. not mine.... sounds like you have spat your dummy out
Aren't language an united communication tool? I bet most of the people see it like I do (proves you're on drug) and rephrase what you said.


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Old 05-08-2002, 08:09 AM   #18
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*cough* ctf is nearly unplayable now *cough*

*cough* couldn't give less of a sh!t bout which system they use for sabers *cough*


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Old 05-08-2002, 08:22 AM   #19
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btw there was not a mass calling for reducing ammo in ctf. when you play ctf guns are all thats used.

The patch is great...give those lame ctf'ers their ammo back and all is fine.

cept the janitors that do nothing but sweep.
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Old 05-08-2002, 08:29 AM   #20
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There was a mass of people wanking for the saber to be the uber weapon, and another mass of mostly the same people wanking for it to be more cinematic/sp like, and another mass of mostly the same people complaining about DFA and heavy stance.

All of those people got my g'damn guns nerfed, ruined ctf, and generally managed to cajole raven into seriously screwing up the game.

Now sabers are more cinematic, even less balanced against guns, there are even more ridiculous exploits, and the guns are somehow ineffective enough to keep us from playing CTF, mainly due to ridiculous ammo constraints.

On top of that, they nerfed the forces in such a way that THEY'RE unbalanced as well.

Essentially all the whining scared Raven into a reactionary position that screwed the game up for just about everyone.

Its like fighting with wiffle bats and squirt guns. I have more fun flicking lint. At least it looks pretty and cinematic and I can roleplay that I'm luke skywalker if I ever lose my mind =P


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Old 05-08-2002, 08:38 AM   #21
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Re: patch? is this a patch?

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Saber is now lame.

Force is now lame.

Game is now lame.

I'll now be sure to tell friends to save their $50.
hmm, don't like it? then go and play somthing else and quit your whining.
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Old 05-08-2002, 09:31 AM   #22
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I'd like them to chaneg some things but suppsoe I can live with it.

People that call anyone with a complaint a whiner. Need to shut up it never seems to cross these morons minds that they might have vaild compliant and that half the itme they where the ones complaining before something changed. its also their opinoin not yours.

What I like: drain nerfed heal nerfed maybe they where nerfed to much but they certainly needed to be toned down, Better looking saber fights.

What I dislike: Grip nerfed it was fine, The lameness of saber combat say what you will but random swinging works better then slow well placed shots well now, turbo blocking makes combos **** as they just get blocked, still hard to tell if you’ve hurt a person, the guns wheren’t bad IMO as said CTF is now very hard to play its gonna have to be CTY now since you can’t use the forces when you have it, janitors nuf said.

As you can see the bad outweighs the good atleast for me it may not have ruined it thou it’s less fun. Also theirs frankly no other game out their that simulates melee combat with long swords.

Ill still play thou I bet that clone campgains will take up more of time then JK2 now.
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Old 05-08-2002, 09:38 AM   #23
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Old 05-08-2002, 09:48 AM   #24
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god, will u guys stop complaining. do what i did, dont hate it, suggest things to improve it :P
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Old 05-08-2002, 09:57 AM   #25
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Of course there is also the possibility that after noting some of the comments on these boards and elsewhere, that Raven actually went and EXTENSIVELY PLAYED THE GAME THEMSELVES to figure out which parts of it needed balancing/altering.

I very much doubt they altered the things they did just because some people complained about it. It would only have given them ideas as to what needed looking at. The decision for change I am sure would have come from their vision of what makes the game better/more playable.
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Old 05-08-2002, 10:07 AM   #26
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Thumbs down

The saber combat is so ****e now, all the whining gay playersl are happy with this patch but I want them all to burn in hell for being stupid. I really, really, really £ucking hate this patch.

im not gonna use it because its just not fun ffs, this patch doesnt even deserve any intelligient comments & I can't control the anger i feel for the patched version.

PATCHED VERSION = GOOD FOR WOMEN AND FAGGOTS


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Old 05-08-2002, 10:28 AM   #27
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Re: Re: patch? is this a patch?

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hmm, don't like it? then go and play somthing else and quit your whining.
Don't like whiners? Goto another forum. Any task force will never get rid of them..

I never heard anyone wanting SP combat in MP. I would like to see, at least 3 threads on the subject. I know it couldn't be as heavily debated as the DFA. And Raven actually said that there was something wrong with the DFA. Now, if it was combined with the old saber damage system, it would be fine.

If Raven changed the game back to the old system, no one would really notice or whine since no one has wasted an extraordinary amount of time practicing with it.
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Old 05-08-2002, 10:34 AM   #28
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I could never get into the sp saber combat, why would I? Ive got a decent bloody connection. The pre patch MP version was just way more playable.

The games just doesn't even look right anymore. The animation's wierd. I can't stress the fact that i hate it enuff.


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Old 05-08-2002, 10:51 AM   #29
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The 1.03 patch changed the multiplayerexperince totally... Before the patch, real skill was needed in multiplayercombat.

Now your character runs around with a weapon that Luke Skywalker, jedis and siths everywhere would have scorned as a inferior saber. Fit only for children..

That they took away the DFA powermove was good, the rest should have stayed.
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Old 05-08-2002, 11:07 AM   #30
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Re: patch? is this a patch?

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Hey Raven just in case I forgot.................Thanks for ruining a halfway MP decent game. My JKII disc can now keep JKI disc company in the back of my closet!!!
AHAHAH!!!

Didn't you just love JK1? First mouse had a regular attack, the second one did this figure-8 super slash around the world however.. To land it you didn't have to connect with the player but probably make sure the saber went about 2-3 virtual feet in front of him while you used force speed to dance around the map.

JK1 Highlights... 4-8 players on force speed jumping wildly at full force speed doing nothing but alt slash hoping to get lucky...

But you still played it and love it right? So if you think the patch is now wild spamming and crazy swings... YOU MUST LOVE JK2 NOW TOO!! WOOHOO!!
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Old 05-08-2002, 11:25 AM   #31
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Whiny People

WAAAAH! I can't spam DFA anymore!

WAAAAH! I can't spam Drain anymore!

WAAAAH! I can't spam Heal anymore!

WAAAAH! WAAAAAH! WAAAAH!

Grow up people. The patch was put in to prevent spamming. It is totally playable - get used to it.

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Old 05-08-2002, 11:27 AM   #32
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Re: Whiny People

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WAAAAH! I can't spam DFA anymore!

WAAAAH! I can't spam Drain anymore!

WAAAAH! I can't spam Heal anymore!

WAAAAH! WAAAAAH! WAAAAH!

Grow up people. The patch was put in to prevent spamming. It is totally playable - get used to it.

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Except people are NOT WHINING ABOUT THAT as much as they are about the new damage.
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Old 05-08-2002, 11:42 AM   #33
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(I think it was Zek)

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Old 05-08-2002, 11:50 AM   #35
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I could give a f##k less about Drain and Heal being spammed, because now instead of that saber combat is being spammed. You can play at being skillful and all, but in general, "switch to light and press hard" is a nary-infalliable strategy.

Sure, it looks like the movies; oh hell, I guess everyone in Star Wars was a light-stance spammer. I don't care much for DFA; never over-used it myself and never fell for it too much once I got a bit better. It's was and is the most avoidable move in the game.

And for sakes, stop calling complainers whiners. You whined before, and whined yourself a patch. And rut-wa jodar, say something else about Russia and you'll need a proctologist to extract your teeth from your lower intestines, moron.


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Old 05-08-2002, 12:00 PM   #36
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Before the patch, real skill was needed in multiplayercombat.
Okay once for all, will somebody explain in a flame-less, intelligent
sounding post, how the above statement could be true?

I will post my thoughts first:

First what the patch primarily did was add blocking into the equation. Auto-blocking and manual parrying. Yes manual parrying. In light stance, I've swung at the same time as my opponent with the intent of hitting his attack mid-swing, with a successful deflection of his attack. If you think this doesn't require skill, let me know. In essence they made it harder to
land a frontal attack. Side and rear attacks are not blocked.

Pre-patch there was no blocking of sabers, ever! If you had saber defense level 3 all it was really good for was blocking gun fire. What this had the effect of was all you had to do was wait until your opponent did ANYTHING (didn't matter what it was) and you knew he was vulnerable to ANY attack you wished to perform. If he was in the light stance he was pretty much vulnerable to anything but gun fire even when just standing there.

I think you can't really say that either system requires more or less skill. The automatic portion of the whole system has just changed from easier offense to easier defense. Makes people harder to kill, definitely.

The basic gist of the argument I see from people upset is that it's so easy to block now even newbies can win. Well, don't you see the glaring flaw in that logic?? It's way harder to land a hit with a random spamming attack, but yet somehow a newbie can land aimed hits on you, a skilled veteran player of a month (slight sarcasm), while you can't do likewise?

One last thing - to everyone complaining (whining is something way different from complaining, so I'm not going to stoop to calling anybody whiners here) about the red or med stance backswing. You guys are acting like it wasn't there in the previous version. It was. It was just as powerful...Raven
didn't touch anything with that aspect.

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Old 05-08-2002, 12:20 PM   #37
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The game is ruined.

I played the game exclusively for the intense light saber combat. The experience was so enjoyable that I planned on upgrading my memory and video with a Geforce4 just to play JK2.

I do not post to be argumentative. I post because I am disappointed that Raven chose to completely change the saber combat system that made this an award winning game.

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Old 05-08-2002, 12:21 PM   #38
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Blocking was their and it worked quite well just wasn't animated well and didnt work quite As well moving. But if you stood still in any stance but heavy and got in coner no attack save DFA could get trough.

I thought that but didnt post it theirs a big diffrance between whiners and compliants shame it gets lost simlair to NooB and newbie.
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Old 05-08-2002, 02:41 PM   #39
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ok, instead of complaining, say what they can do better :P stop being like "ITS RUINED NOW, I HATE IT" ok, we know that, say why and suggest how they can fix it.

second of all. for all the people who loved the normal mp combat, why not just aks them to patch it so u can pick between the two modes for dedicated server "do u want to have sp combat or mp combat". like that. but keep the working dismemberment, keep the chat boxes, and keep the double kick. and keep heavy the same as it is now. all the difference in gamre modes would do is change the yellow and blue to what they were before. red is fine how it is, and dont u think about complaining about that. anyways. i see a option to pick between the two as being a good idea. keep all the force the same too. everything else is fine but some people want sp combat some people want mp combat. thats it. simply fixed

ps. maybe add all the animations and taunts used in sp too?
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i'm pretty sure this thread was meant as venting area for people who don't like the patch to talk about it with others. now it's just become a flame fest.

remember: i may be a ``whiner'' but you're a flamer.
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