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Old 05-11-2002, 01:36 AM   #1
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ASS Fighters.

Geez I thought DFA was bad. There are tons more people using the ASS Fighting moves.

How sad is it that you have to run backwards into a fight to win it.

It really says a lot about the community.

Raven did there best to balance the sabers to no avial.
There are new lamers in town.

I thought after the patch people might actually be forced to develop some skill.

It wont suprise me if everyone just tells me that the move isn't really that great or I'm a newb that can't deal. They did the same thing for DFA. EVERYONE is using it and damn its pathetic.

I could usually keep up with or beat the DFAers in a FFA its not even close with ASS fighters. I'm in the middle and everyone above me is an ass fighter.

So now I will probably only play rarely while I wait for a new patch.

Congratulations ASS fighters if you wanted to really ruin the community its working. A game this good deserves far more players than it has.
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Old 05-11-2002, 01:42 AM   #2
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yep i agree its lame.

I personally wont use Back Stab unless my opponent gets behind me.


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Old 05-11-2002, 02:13 AM   #3
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They are most annoying.
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Old 05-11-2002, 02:32 AM   #4
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As has been stated before, this move existed in 1.02. People were just too busy doing DFA to bother with learning this move. But when they made DFA fair and balanced, some jackasses out there decided to go looking for a NEW one-hit kill. Then they started spamming it on the servers. Then OTHER jackasses watched them, and THEY started spamming it. And you know what? It spreads. Like a virus.

I wonder if people like this actually have fun doing that, or if they get bored with just seeing who can do the cheapass move first to see who wins. I wouldn't even mind if the game was based on ALL one hit kills, IE: ANY sabre hit is a kill, but I really don't think there should be ANY one hit kills in this game, given the way the rest of the sabre fighting is set up. I don't mind if they have heavily damaging moves, but those moves need to have corresponding costs to them. IE: what happened with DFA -- you do the move, you leave yourself open. Better hope you hit dead center. The problem is, the backstabs are unblockable, they don't leave the player vulnerable, and they cause an instant kill.

People will now run backasswards towards you, wait until they reach an obstacle, and use the move. If it's a player, they kill them instantly. If it's a wall, they just turn and run backasswards in a different direction. And god forbid there's any kind of cluster in a game. you KNOW whoever is in the center will do the backstab move with medium stance and sweep around killing everyone. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind having a backstab in the game. I think it's cool to have. And there are ways to counter it, or at least not get killed by it. But, a backstab should not be the most effective attack. That's not what we call balance.

Still, Raven knows this is a problem and will be tweaking the move. They've said as much on these boards.

My suggestions for avoiding this problem are:

1.) Find reliable servers where the regulars don't use the move.
2.) Use long range attacks (throw, grip, lightning -- especially lightning, or ranged weapons) to kill the enemy.
3.) Vote the person who does it off the server.

Personally, I don't think the backstab moves as they exist should be allowed in the game. I try not to do them, unless it happens by accident. The reason being that if one person sees someone else do it on a server, three minutes later, EVERYONE is doing it, except maybe the people who aren't doing it out of protest.

I played against this one skillless whore last night who went by the name of [AoD]Funboy. I initiated a vote to kick him off, but only one other person voted yes. Two people voted no, and the rest didn't vote. I guess they didn't mind having the move spammed on them. Anyway, this little prick was racking up the kills, UNTIL some OTHER guy started doing the exact same move to him. At that point, he started getting killed a lot more. Plus, since this was team FFA, we managed to gang up on him. One guy gripped him, and the rest of us threw our sabres at him or lightninged him. He had absorb, but I guess he had been too busy pulling people to have any force power left. I laughed and laughed and laughed.

On a personally satisfying note, I DID manage to kill him by kicking him. THAT felt great. BOOT TO THE HEAD!

Anyway, Raven's aware of this, and the next patch will likely address this issue. For the time being, I can generally avoid the problem, and if I see a guy doing it, I'll just stay away from him. My goal in the game is to have fun sabre fights, because that's what I enjoy most. Ideally, I'll win those fights, but if I don't, no biggie. So, ultimately, I don't care if these little bastards are at the top of the score list. My problem with them is that fighting them is no fun and is pointless. Therefore, I just avoid them if I see them on a server.
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Old 05-11-2002, 02:59 AM   #5
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the backstab is on blue stance so it should do as much damage as all the other blue stance hits do......
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Old 05-11-2002, 03:08 AM   #6
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yeah, that attack sucks, but imagine if raven just took it out, it really is a great way to suprise people (notice i said suprise, and not run backward)...the time it takes to recover after that kind of attack is a long time, and thats why it deals more damage, so as soon as you see it, you have time to hit them with a heavy blow


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Old 05-11-2002, 04:58 AM   #7
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I just hope they fix it.

Quick like.

I too wonder if they actually have fun doing that crap.

I think they honestly believe they are good when they get a lot of kills doing it.

Maybe I should adjust my goal in games.

I'm pretty focused on winning FFA's.

I don't know why. I don't get any REAL satisfaction, aside from telling myself..... "hey I didn't have to use any cheap moves to win the game" But usually its just beating up on n00bs and one move whores. Now with the new ass fighters I don't even win usually.

I think I will try to adjust my focus but it will be difficult.

Maybe I'll stick to duel servers, though I hate waiting and you still see ass fighters in those.

or be one of those guys running around looking for duels on FFA's. I never understood those guys before. Now I do.
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Old 05-11-2002, 07:06 AM   #8
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hi all, i'd just like to give my view on the backstab move since i still like it.
first of all, i'm not the greatest saberist and it's not my intention of spamming anything, the blue backstab is so slow i rarely hit anything with it anyways.

i like it cos it looks very cool that's about the whole reason and when i do kill someone in one hit with it, i feel pretty happy about it cos i deserved the kill, it only happens to me once or twice a night anyway so i can't be using that move in a very lame way i think.

also i don't do the backwards ass thing you described but i do sometimes try to jump over my opponents head, land behind him and then do the backstab.
but the way i see it, it takes a little time to jump oversomeone, it takes a little time to judge if i didn't jump too far over him and it takes time to complete the backstab animation.
so if by that time the guy is still in the close up spot right behind me, he didn't really moved now did he and who stands frozen on the spot in a duel anyways.
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Old 05-11-2002, 07:06 AM   #9
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heheh love the title of this thread!

It is SOOO fitting, and reminds me of that episode on shockwave.com of eric cartman and I think Kyle sumo wrestling...

"Master his ass... is... too great!!!"

WHOMP!

"There is indeed great power in your ass Eric."

the best part about "Ass fighers" as I think I call them from now on, is that at least DFA was somewhat, oh I dunno... REMOTELY cool looking?

But ass fighters is so fitting because they literaly ARE fighting with thier ass...

Basically we have all gotten what we asked for... the total wastes of sperm and egg will finaly have a big sign over thier head saying: "I have to wear a helmet on the bus to school!"

And not only that but they look SO, I dunno... undignified using the "Ass stance..." Nice call even if it Is obvious heheh.

P.S. the backstab itself is cool as all hell, it's just the running backwards shoving your big bulbus ass in my face that is how shall I say it... more befitting of a SW spoof than a SW game?


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Old 05-11-2002, 07:17 AM   #10
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rofl.. nothin like being in a saber only ffa and everyones in close fighting and some loser does a backslash and kills 3 people at once.


hell i was INFRONT of the guy when he did a backslash and i died.... i dunno how the hell that happened.





its simple... dont get behind the guy... i do just like i did with dfaers... i ran in circles and always kept moving, then they are forced to fight.


i had a GREAT ffa saber no force fight for like an hour and everyone fought cool except one guy who we always gangbanged quick who spammed the one move. i fought another guy constantly who was very tough and only used that move once that i saw, we had a hell of a lot of fun.
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Old 05-11-2002, 02:46 PM   #11
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I think the lesson we learned from the patch is that unless every move is "balanced" to the point of being completely useless, people will still spam.

They can ruin the backstab and people will spam lightning. They can take away lightning and people will spam saber throw. They can spoil saber throw and people will spam something else.

And you know what? The problem isn't with the game, or the "lamerz" who are doing the spamming. It is with the other players who sit there and let them spam. One would think that knowing what moves your opponents like would be a huge advantage, but self-proclaimed "skilled" players will walk right into DFAs or backstabs, KNOWING that they are coming. Spamming isn't actually a problem, unless you're an idiot.

If only there was a way Raven could balance out idiocy in games, because that's whats ruining it.
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Old 05-11-2002, 02:54 PM   #12
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"ASS Fighters" very funny.

I don't have a problem with them, they'll get board and go away.........

That is probably why you can't increase your FOV beyond 110, otherwise you could see everyone behind you as well as in front.
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Old 05-12-2002, 05:06 AM   #13
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I haven't had that much experience with this yet, but I don't think it is bad for this to be a one hit one kill move if they change 2 things:

1. Make it so you can't spin during the move, so your aim better be good.

2. Since the backstab is an unblockable move, any attack from the rear to someone performing a backstab should also be unblockable & a one hit one kill move. This way if you try to backstab me & I move to the side (making you miss) & slash crossways above your poking saber (where you can't block it), you either get cut in half or lose your head. And if I don't move to the side quick enough & we both execute our moves at the same time, then we both die! This would make things more fair, yet still fun as hell, I think.

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Old 05-12-2002, 06:04 AM   #14
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I think i'm on the same level as you guys in that the backstab has it's place in a fight and that's when in a fight your opponent gets behind you to attack and you need to strike first, i have always thought of it as a defensive mode as opposed to an offensive move, i mean ASS fighting (lmao) that's too much, are people more exposed to force powers when they are coming at you backwards? i mean would a good push send them sprawling? i'll have to test that.
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Old 05-12-2002, 10:08 AM   #15
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backstabbers are just doing what it takes to win. There is nothing wrong with using everything in the game to win. How can you honestly expect people just to tie their hands behind their back because of what you perceive of as honor and skill. Skill ultimately means who gets the most kills in FFA and duels. If you don't agree then you're just judging people's skills by some unquantifiable properties that suit your purpose.

This is a problem with the game not the people. There needs to be some incentive not to backstab other than "someone might think I'm being cheap," some delay or punishment plus not killing in one hit. Until then peoplw will still do it to win and I don't see why they shouldn't.
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Old 05-12-2002, 11:12 AM   #16
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Amazing, idlemind, I completely disagree with everything you said. (and I mean e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-ng)


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Old 05-12-2002, 11:22 AM   #17
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Really, backstabbing points should be at least cut in half. However that's not the only problem. The problem now is also kicking. You can't really swing a lightsabre at someone who is kicking you all the time, since every kick blocks the move you make with a lightsabre. I think that the kicking damage should be reduced to take out 2hp per kick, or to abolish the kick totally.


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Old 05-12-2002, 01:29 PM   #18
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I think it's a good move to have in the game, I just don't think there should be ANY one hit kill moves, unless ALL moves are one hit kills. Now THAT would be a cool mod. If you get touched by the sabre, you're toast. It'd make for pretty fast fights, I think, although people would play quite defensively. Shields could protect you, but when they were gone, you'd be dead as a doornail.

If they tone down the damage that the backstab deals out and make it so you can't spin, I'll have no problem with the move.

As far as people spamming sabre throw, I can block that no problem. Spamming lightning is no problem either, as long as you have absorb at a level equal to the level of the lightning user. I think it's fair that lightning will still damage you if your level of absorb is lower than their lightning level.

If they fixed the backstab, I'd say the game'd be perfect. AND well balanced. Sure there'll always be people who try to spam one move, but most of the other moves that they could spam aren't that dangerous. The DFA was never that dangerous as a move, per se, it was the bugginess of the move that was the problem. The new DFA works just fine. If someone wants to spam that, bring it on, man. If you kill me, good kill. You caught me off guard or used the move effectively. But the backstab in its current form has got to go.

Regardless, Raven knows about this and is working to fix it. how they fix it exactly remains to be seen.
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Old 05-12-2002, 01:56 PM   #19
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Really, backstabbing points should be at least cut in half. However that's not the only problem. The problem now is also kicking. You can't really swing a lightsabre at someone who is kicking you all the time, since every kick blocks the move you make with a lightsabre. I think that the kicking damage should be reduced to take out 2hp per kick, or to abolish the kick totally.
The kick doesn't bother me as much now.

But it seems like everyone in this community is out to abuse one thing or another.

They are destroying the little community that is now left.

Pre-patch I ran into a lot of kick whores. You are right you couldn't hit them. Even if you did they would still kick you down.

Now I've seen people who only throw their saber, they just wait for you to swing then throw.

These one move whores are so ****ing boring to play against. How is whoring one move fun? Do these morons think they are good?

I've basically quit while I wait on a new patch. But I'm afraid once they finally nerf all these whore moves they will find another way to kill that doesn't require any skill.

I think I can say after playing many many games, that this is one of the worst communities I have ever seen. Seems like everyone is bent on finding one move to whore. This backswing thing is a plauge EVERYONE is using it.
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Old 05-12-2002, 02:02 PM   #20
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I find your lack off skill disturbing ass-fighter


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Old 05-12-2002, 07:54 PM   #21
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I've found one way to beat ass masters. It works especially well with the pull-'n'-stab maneuver.

The solution?


BOOT TO THE HEAD!!!

Sing it with me now!

"People spamming the backstab move...give 'em a boot to the head!"

Yes, I found the kick to be more than effective in both evading and pissing off the competition. Usually they don't bother to do the kick, since they're so intent on spamming the backstab. So play as a lightside jedi, turn on absorb, and start kicking!

Also, if you do happen to get pulled, remember, you can do a kick as you get up.

It won't necessarily kill the guy, but it'll sure irritate 'em. Plus, since a lot of them can't do the kick (I guess doubletapping is too hard), you can pretty much kick them ad nauseum. Which, to me, seems poetic justice. If someone's gonna do a cheap move on me over and over, I'll do a cheap and GOOFY move on them over and over.

Finally, it's ESPECIALLY satisfying when you manage to get a kill from the boot to the head.
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Old 05-12-2002, 11:26 PM   #22
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one thing to remember, when you see a ass fighter just jump over em or go to the side to avoid!
another great thing to do is use grip and hold them low...someone will come along and saber him for ya ...so wht if you dont get the kill makes the ass fighter think twice next time he wants to do it!
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Old 05-12-2002, 11:33 PM   #23
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one thing to remember, when you see a ass fighter just jump over em or go to the side to avoid!
another great thing to do is use grip and hold them low...someone will come along and saber him for ya ...so wht if you dont get the kill makes the ass fighter think twice next time he wants to do it!
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Old 05-13-2002, 02:53 AM   #24
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backstabbers are just doing what it takes to win.
Really now?

DFAers were doing the same thing, and obviously someone whined about it until we got this patch.

Back off of a FFA someday (stand on a ledge) and watch. It's amazing. Plus it's got a bug in it.

The reason this is going to be MUCH worse than DFA is simple. I've been in many games where someone wants to know how they can do that 'heavy jump' thing, and if it's a descent server, someone would show them (or not). How many times would you have to ask how you can walk backwards hunched over while pushing a button?

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Old 05-13-2002, 03:23 AM   #25
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To be fair, the backstab WAS in 1.02. People just didn't do it because these same little bastards who spam this move now, were too busy doing DFA instead. Now that they've got an even easier version of it, they spam that.

I played on a server tonight where people did NOTHING but that move. I think I stayed on it for maybe a grand total of 3 to 5 minutes before I said, "the hell with this. What's the point?"

Raven will fix this, I think, though. Look how they handled the last patch. If that's what they believe is the right way to play, then you can bet the ass masters' days are numbered.
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Old 05-13-2002, 03:54 AM   #26
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rofl Solo, I played with you there, and I can tell you that very few people did that move. I did it a bunch of times, mostly cuz I like how it looks and I want to learn EVERY technique. If you watched me later than that ONE time I did it to you (which is when you started moaning about it), then you'd see I also did regular slash combos.

I never DFAed, the move bored me.

You were there for 7 or 8 games, more than 5-10 minutes. You didnt seem to mind playing with the floorsweepers.

I do use the backslash/stab. It's a good move. I dont go running backwards into crowds, that's retarded and I feel like an idiot. But when I pull someone into me, and (w/blue stance) whip around and stab the sabre into their stomach, that feels pretty damn cool. (think Mitsurugi from Soul Calibur/Edge)

Do i spam the move nonstop? No, of course not. That would be stupid, its not appropriate for many situations. But if I have my opponent down, rolling on the ground, what shal I do, help him up? Hell no, I'm gonna kill him as best I can, with the strongest move I can. Sometimes theres time to swing around for a backsweep. More often than not, tehre isnt, so I'll slash down or sideways.

Backstab is FUN for me. Not because it gets so many kills (i dont make many with it, only in J v M), but because it feels cool! I ENJOY it. I am ENJOYING the game that I payed for, in every way I can. If you dont like the way I play my game, well, nobody else there had a problem, so you can go on somewhere else.

And you never, not once, put a boot to my head.

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Old 05-13-2002, 04:09 AM   #27
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Really now?

DFAers were doing the same thing, and obviously someone whined about it until we got this patch.

Back off of a FFA someday (stand on a ledge) and watch. It's amazing. Plus it's got a bug in it.

The reason this is going to be MUCH worse than DFA is simple. I've been in many games where someone wants to know how they can do that 'heavy jump' thing, and if it's a descent server, someone would show them (or not). How many times would you have to ask how you can walk backwards hunched over while pushing a button?

Rejoice nOObs! This patch is for YOU!
look, did I ever say the backstab was a good thing in1.03. NO. I said it's a problem with the game itself, not with the people playing it. Do I want it to stay this way. Hell no, I think it's ****ing lame that a backstabber can get a ridiculous amount of kills by sticking to one move only.

But do I blame the people doing it. No way. They have just found the most effective way to win. DFA did not get changed because of people whining about how they hate DFA whores. It got changed because people complained about how dumb it was that they could get killed by walking into it after it was finished, or how FFA had descended into DFA madness. Again, why blame the people doing it? Just kill them, and if you can't do that blame the people in charge of gameplay.

Someone is always going to use whatever it takes to win. So why shouldn't I use to same thing to win? I don't like winning with backstabbing, and I think that 1.03 is a fetid pile of so much excrement, but when I play I play to win, not to lose then whine about "why doesn't everyone just play the way I want them to so I can win too?". That makes absolutely NO sense and the situation is never gonna change.

There, now do you understand what I was really trying to say? Backstab sux, blame Raven, not the people using it to win.
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Old 05-13-2002, 04:18 AM   #28
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yay lets nerf more!
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Old 05-13-2002, 04:35 AM   #29
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idlewind, if you really think that the ass-fighter style move is lame (which it is) they you really shouldn't go around doing it, just because other people are. Work on ways around it. Backstab is mostly a defensive move. People charging around backwards with blue stance trying to spear people is insane. If you don't like the current jedi pad-a-noob style just stay away from it. If nothing else, stay above it. It's a mark of a good player to be able to overcome predicatable, low level (though sometimes very strong) tactics of a beginner.

Personally, I like using trip mines against them. You just place one primary tripmine down, and strafe them into it. One good pull can send them spawling onto it.
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Old 05-13-2002, 02:15 PM   #30
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Ass fighter are just dumb. There are far more effective ways to use the back stab move then trying to run backward into someone and back stab em. There are numerous very easy ways to counter that. I say let the ass fighter think that they perfected a great move and run around all day doing it. That's an easy kill for anyone with skills.

We really need a forward stab combo move added to the game. If we can get that then I would say lower the damage that back stab does 'cause a forword stab should be more powerful then a back stab. We need more powerfil saber moves because not many people have the patience to slash away at eachother for 15 minutes. We need more combo moves that are powerful. That will add more variety to the game and make it more fun. The reason why people are spamming is becuase there are only a couple of powerful moves in the game to chose from.
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Old 05-13-2002, 02:29 PM   #31
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Ass fighter are just dumb. There are far more effective ways to use the back stab move then trying to run backward into someone and back stab em. There are numerous very easy ways to counter that. I say let the ass fighter think that they perfected a great move and run around all day doing it. That's an easy kill for anyone with skills.
Numerous and very easy ways to counter it?

Hmmm.. then why is almost EVERYONE bitching about it? How come I have NEVER seen any one counter it easily?

Easy kill for anyone with skills?

Well I haven't seen any of these "skilled" players.
PLease make a demo and show us all.

You should try playing multi-player. THese people only ass fight when they are close enough to do the move.

It's not impossible to kill these players its just way to easy for them to rack up the kills.
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Old 05-13-2002, 02:30 PM   #32
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Devteam should include a move especially for thoses ASS fighters.
When the ASS fighter does his "Special ASS move", you will stick your Saber RIGHT UP HIS 4$$. They deserve it.


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Old 05-13-2002, 02:36 PM   #33
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Numerous and very easy ways to counter it?

Hmmm.. then why is almost EVERYONE bitching about it? How come I have NEVER seen any one counter it easily?

Have you ever heard of a vocal minority? Not everyone is bitching! The people who like it are playing it on a server somewhere, and they far outnumber the moaning bitches. Check the poll out on jediknightII.net. Most people think the patch needs minor tweeking. And over the last few days the amount of whinners has decreased. Why? Because they're learning to play the game properly and are actually enjoying it. Shock, horror, actually dueling? Whats that all about?


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Old 05-13-2002, 02:50 PM   #34
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I find it funny that alot of the people who decry the assfighters are people who also support this crap patch (in terms of the changes to saber fighting).

This patch totally benefitted ass players and backstabbers since the 'auto-blocking' and seeming upgrade to these moves allows them to get away with these stupid techniques were before they would have been owned if they were spamming them.

Kudos to the changes to DFA, in reality that was all we needed, the overall weakening of saber fighting has totally screwed good saber fighters.


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Old 05-13-2002, 02:55 PM   #35
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Numerous and very easy ways to counter it?

Hmmm.. then why is almost EVERYONE bitching about it? How come I have NEVER seen any one counter it easily?

Easy kill for anyone with skills?

Well I haven't seen any of these "skilled" players.
PLease make a demo and show us all.
OK. First of all there is a big difference between those who are actually skillful at the move and there are those that just blindly run backward and press attack. I thought that this was a post about the latter.

For those that run backward blindly I don't think I have to list the ways but here are a few - pull, push, saber throw, DFA, kick, grip, and probably others that I can't think of right now.

For those that use it with skill that is not easy to answer. These people you have to watch out for and since they are skilled at backstabing then they probably have a few other tricks up their sleve. But I don't think that was the point of this thread. People who compain about the power combo moves when used skillfully in the game need to quit bitching and start learn these moves. Without them we would have a very boring game where you just stand there slashing at eachother for 15 minutes just to get one kill. That would be lame.
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Old 05-13-2002, 05:09 PM   #36
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Would you like some cheese with that wine??? I swear this is the exact kind of crying that gave us the crapy patch that totaly redesigned and ruined JK2. I have never been on a server where people we doing this move and owned, I'm pretty sure this is a rare and isolated event.

I have even tried doing it and it's not an effective way to play at all. There so many ways to counter this it's not even funny. Please tell me the server names where players are doing this and winning so I can go there and destroy them.

You guys need to just freakin get better at the game instead of getting the developers nerfing it to where it doesn't take any talent to play it. JK2 was fine before the patch, and no I wasn't a DFA spammer or a drain whore( I used drain on occasion).

Bottom line is this, if you can't beat these ASS fighters you just suck. End of story. That may sound like some noob-jerk statemant but it's the sad gritty truth. Please please tell me the server names so I can show how this topic was a waste of time.
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Old 05-13-2002, 05:29 PM   #37
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Hmmmmmmmmmm Ramatakhan....

Have you patched 1.03 yet?


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Old 05-13-2002, 05:32 PM   #38
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The only good back stab or back slash is jump over people and kill people with the swing. It is very difficult and only works in very special occasions. I did this two times in a duel mode on the top of the high building in bespin FFA map. Another time I killed a speeding flag taker on the central bridge of the bespin CTF map. He was so focus on his running and was surprised by my move. I took my risk of being pulled or pushed by his co-saberists or fly too far and fall to the doom. I am still no good saberist and just want to test whether this move works. I will try this again because this is so cool.

For those ass moving back stabers, I saber throw one to death tonight. He doesn't even run away when I have already hurted him twice, so the third time he died, stupid. I also back slash many of them before.

Sometimes I back move one step to try the back slash when I know someone is chasing me or I see someone is close to my back, if I miss, I run away. I saw several flag takers use this move to kill the chasers. However, it is too dangerous to back moving that way. It is open to grip, lightning, push, pull, saber throw, back stab, DFA, medium finisher, kick, etc. Kick ass, yes, go and kick those back movng ass.

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Old 05-13-2002, 05:54 PM   #39
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Numerous and very easy ways to counter it?

Hmmm.. then why is almost EVERYONE bitching about it? How come I have NEVER seen any one counter it easily?

Easy kill for anyone with skills?

Well I haven't seen any of these "skilled" players.
PLease make a demo and show us all.

You should try playing multi-player. THese people only ass fight when they are close enough to do the move.

It's not impossible to kill these players its just way to easy for them to rack up the kills.
I play NF Duels, have ran in to many of these players over the past few days, and had no problem killing them. Just practice


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Old 05-13-2002, 07:00 PM   #40
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backstabbers are just doing what it takes to win. There is nothing wrong with using everything in the game to win. How can you honestly expect people just to tie their hands behind their back because of what you perceive of as honor and skill. Skill ultimately means who gets the most kills in FFA and duels. If you don't agree then you're just judging people's skills by some unquantifiable properties that suit your purpose.

This is a problem with the game not the people. There needs to be some incentive not to backstab other than "someone might think I'm being cheap," some delay or punishment plus not killing in one hit. Until then peoplw will still do it to win and I don't see why they shouldn't.
They don't use everything Plato... they use one move out of many.
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