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Old 05-18-2002, 12:54 PM   #1
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a few mistakes I think I noticed I'm not 100% sure though

I'm not sure- but the storm troopers- their helmets look different to the origional trilogy. More pointy I guess? Or am I imagining it?

Also- in the scene at Naboo where it pretty much looked like the sound of music- Amidala standing on the hill while Anikan rides the 'thing' and falls off and she goes running over to see if he's ok, I coulda sworn I noticed her wearing sneakers. Has anyone noticed this? Or am I imagining it?


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Old 05-18-2002, 01:05 PM   #2
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those helmets are different but its because they are not stormtroopers
they are clone troopers
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Old 05-18-2002, 01:34 PM   #3
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What's the difference then? I thought the storm troopers were clones? Why do they have literally the same outfits then?


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Old 05-18-2002, 02:23 PM   #4
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As time passes I assume the armour will change for some reason and clone troopers will be made to upgrade (or downgrade) their armour to standard Stormtrooper armour that we see in the later episodes.
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Old 05-18-2002, 02:37 PM   #5
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Say, did anyone notice Jango hit his head as he went up Slave I's ramp after his fight with Obi-Wan?


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Old 05-18-2002, 03:01 PM   #6
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I cant wait to find out how the Clonetroopers lose their NZ accents and become crap when changing to Stormtroopers.

Can only assume that Stormstroopers are NOT clones of Jango Fett- probably of Jar Jar. LOL

Also bet that Anakin kills Dooku/Tyrannus in Ep3- the Emperor probably goads him to do it, as he did to Luke in ROTJ.
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Old 05-18-2002, 03:01 PM   #7
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Yep I saw it lol.


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Old 05-18-2002, 06:44 PM   #8
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Amidala Prescient?

How about when Amadala falls from the "chopper" to the sand and lays there unconscious. Then Obi-Wan and Vader fly to fight Dooku for a good 30 seconds or so. When Amidala wakes up she tells the trooper that they need to continue on to the "hanger". How the heck did she know this?
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Old 05-18-2002, 07:56 PM   #9
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Clone troopers

Clone troopers
i think leave with the wars

davin felth
was the guy who said "look sir droids"

remember post clonewars there is really no need for a large stanbding army

(stromtroopers are basically a police force)
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Old 05-18-2002, 09:56 PM   #10
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Stormtroopers are not clones. They are recruited from planets withen the empire. Read this in the books Jedi search, dark apprentice, and champions of the force. Good stuff. Yah according to all the fiction, clones were outlawed after the clone wars. Why we do not yet know. Possibly because the emporer uses them to erradicate the jedi.


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Old 05-18-2002, 09:56 PM   #11
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Doesn't Add Up

Yeah, and is it just me or don't some things add up through the movies

for example c3p0 spends AGES on tatooine but then in "a new hope" he can't figure out ( i think he says something like "im still trying to find out where i am" or something along those lines)where he is even though he lived their for at least 10 years ?

did anyone else notice these sort of things ?


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Old 05-18-2002, 10:38 PM   #12
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In response to OldSkoolJedi, 3po had his memory wiped, which was why he didn't remember who Obi-Wan was when R2 had a message for him in Ep 4. I'm assuming the Jawas did this but I could be wrong about that. It might have happened before that.


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Old 05-18-2002, 11:12 PM   #13
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I am 99% Stormtroopers ARE clones. And much more than a policeforce!

For a start this has been well known since 1977- for those of us old enough to have been there- plus putting clones in armour similar to stormtrooper armour also points to this. After all why abandon the effective troops who help you rule the universe- that would make zero sense!!!!! Well outside of the mind of Lucas- where he can make it up as he goes along!!!

The following link shows they ARE an elite unit, NOT A POLICEFORCE- although mention of clones is limited to Admiral Thrawn- presumably because for younger fans this will be an Ep3 spoiler (or worse Lucas has changed his mind). Also check the original Star Wars novelisation for more info on them being clones:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/org...oopers/eu.html

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Old 05-18-2002, 11:24 PM   #14
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Oops- remember the books ARE NOT CANON. We must ignore these- as Lucas has always said the films will at times contradict the books, and that we should see books and comics as an alternate universe/story.

Clones were not outlawed by the Empire, the New Repulic outlawed them- after all why would the Emperor again outlaw something that works in his favour, an army totally loyal?

If it turns out that Stormtroopers are not clones- then I would bet that the Jedi destroy the cloning facility, ceasing Palpatine supply.

Plus the books do not tie in with the films, in the books the Empire had its own cloning facilities, one of which on Byss made clones of the Emperor.

Christ I think Episode III is gonna be 5 hours long if Lucas is to tie every loose end together!!!
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Old 05-19-2002, 01:23 AM   #15
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I believe that Stormies are not clone troopers. The reason i say this is because I read ,in the thrawn trilogy i believe, that the clones will go insane. Murderous rages and eye twitching, just plain mean. When they are incubated for five years< they will go insane in five years. I think I heard somewhere that Boba Fett is the exception to the rule because he was naturally grown?
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Old 05-19-2002, 04:23 AM   #16
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The books don't tie in with the film, Jake. There are many contradictions in the novels and the films, Jake.

Besides, George has already displayed how much he cares about the continuity of the series. Lucas makes his own rules, and is going to follow through with Star Wars the way he wants it, and is not going to be dictated on what the novels play out.
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Old 05-19-2002, 07:18 PM   #17
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Continuity is quite good.

Stormies are elite troops, not clones.

Not police, but highly trained, efficient troops. The reason they seem crap is because they are the badguys. Leia v Stormie: Stormie is elite troop, Leia is a senator. Leia wins, she's the goodie. It is slightly less unfair now than with the original trilogy. Modern times.


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Old 05-19-2002, 07:46 PM   #18
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i am 100% positive

STORM TROOPERS ARE NOT CLONES

Davin Felth!
( He is the trooper who says "Look sir. droids" if you read up on him you learn he joined at the age of 18)
General Veers!
(if you don't know who he is you should just leave now, in the clone wars all of the officers were highly trained clones. and yes general veers was merely a stormtrooper at one time, though it was not a very long time)

Captain Needa, Admiral Piette, DS-61-2, DS-61-3, DS-61-4the list goes on even from a Grandmoff Tarkin to traines all positions were held by clone troops other than the highest positions, and all of these officers were at a time troopers/pilots

If you say the clones were not pilots then why did the pilot's have the same voice as Jango and the rest of the clones?

That is all I have to say to prove that troopers are not clones
not to mention if you watch ANH i think i saw a recruitment poster

And for the police force deal that i said earlier
- they are infact a police force for the empire
but they are also more.
sorta like the US troops in some 3rd world countries.

If you read the books you learnt hat the when the CLONE WARS
end clones are outlawed
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Old 05-19-2002, 08:25 PM   #19
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True, clones were outlawed at the end of the Great Clone War. Unless Lucas is changing that, too. As for the Star Wars canon, I treat the other books (outside of the movie novelizations) like an alternate reality or a "what if" scenario. Since we probably won't see Lucas do 7,8 & 9, then who's to say they can't be close to the mark, remember Lucas has to approve them before the go to press.
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Old 05-20-2002, 08:30 PM   #20
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As has already been stated a few times, dorian, the EU is not canon and has no bearing on the movies. All of the people you mentioned--where does it say they were stormtroopers in the movie? Where is Davin Felth's name in the movie? No where, therefore it's liable to change if Lucas wants to.
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Old 05-21-2002, 03:33 AM   #21
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In Episode 4, Ben says something to Luke about "The Clone wars" ie. Episode 2.

Storm troopers aren't clones, because if they were, there is the simple fact that the 'Clone wars' technically would still be going.

Stormtroopers, like all imperial officers and pilots are recruited from Planets that the Empire control.

Han Solo is an imperial officer, when he meets chewbacca, whom he rescues, thus finishing his career. And Han Solo as we all know is not a clone.

I bring up that point because: Why, if you can clone your general troopers, would you not also just clone your officers? It doesn't make sense cloning half of your troops, but recruiting all of the others.


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Old 05-21-2002, 06:16 AM   #22
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In response to OldSkoolJedi, 3po had his memory wiped, which was why he didn't remember who Obi-Wan was when R2 had a message for him in Ep 4. I'm assuming the Jawas did this but I could be wrong about that. It might have happened before that.
And possibly Owen Lars' memory was wiped by Aunt Beru as he didn't pick out 3p0 from the jawa lineup in A New Hope. Man, that marriage was doomed from the start.

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Old 05-21-2002, 06:23 AM   #23
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No- Owen forgot about 3PO. Who wouldn't want to?
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Old 05-21-2002, 01:04 PM   #24
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20 or 30 years pass. The Republic falls. Stormtroopers are marching all over the galaxy. You expect a man to rememer 1 droid.

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Old 05-21-2002, 01:27 PM   #25
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yeah i had a real dork of a roomate who use to read the star wars books non stop.. i would always argue with him about them.


" are they made by lucas?" i would say and he would be like "no they are made by all types of authors but lucas OKs them."

then id say how they are useless and i wouldnt take them at face value in terms of the movies and the REAL star wars story. and he would get sooo pissed rofl, but i was right anyways.
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Old 05-21-2002, 04:21 PM   #26
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JEEEEEEEEEEZUZ you people lol

Well has NOBODY thought to look at the most obvious piece of evidence? Voices!

Jango Fett and HIS clones = Aussie accents
Stormtroopers = US Accents
Stormtrooper Officers = English, American

Stormptrooper officers are also simply stormtroopers who have been promoted. Look around the Death Star - is everyone coned? Why would the Empire only keep cloned ultra-dedicated soldiers when they could clone the best and most dedicated officers and not have people like Motti and Ozzell who question and mess up? What would be the point in having super-dedicated cloned troops, but inept, normal humans for EVERY SINGLE OTHER JOB!
Foooooools.

STORMTROOPERS DO NOT = CLONES

Also on the C3-PO issue. If you BOTHERED to watch EpII and the OT, you would notice that C3-PO has a change of coverings. AND ALSO do you reeeally think that C3-P0 is the only droid of his kind..my oh my, i seem to remember one JUST LIKE HIM only silver in the Tantive IV and on the Trade Federation droid control ship in EP1....but no.....WAIT! It's George lucas who's the complete idiot! I mean droid factories OBVIOUSLY only make one kind of droid, each with their own individual personalities and voices...god how stupid of me :P

it's obvious people. Just think instead of mindlessly criticising.


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Old 05-21-2002, 04:27 PM   #27
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Accents aren't in the genes. If you live somewhere long enough, you will adopt the accent of the region (like my dad, when he lived in Texas, and then he's lost it since we moved north). The voices of the Stormtroopers in the original trillogy are very similar to eachother and to the tone of voice of Jango Fett, despite the lack of an accent.
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Old 05-21-2002, 05:18 PM   #28
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I want to add my 2 credits to the stormtrooper issue. In the first couple of pages of the new Star Wars book series, "The New Jedi Order", there is a very good timeline. It shows that ATOC takes place 22 years before the original Star Wars. A lot can happen in 22 years, including new uniforms/armor getting created for the Empire's troops. Also, only 2 years will pass between ATOC and Episode III so I don't know how much will actually change between the 2 movies.


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Old 05-21-2002, 06:50 PM   #29
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I don't think they're clones. If nothing else, they have individuality and the clones don't. Besides, stormtroopers were named after Hitler's stormtroopers.
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Old 05-21-2002, 08:07 PM   #30
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i dont think there clones either,in anh when luke + solo mug the stormtroopers gear dont u think they'ed have seen there faces and gone"hey up,these guys r identical......etc" but.....emmm........ this gives me a idea 4 another topic.


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Old 05-22-2002, 08:33 AM   #31
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I believe that stormtroopers are a mixture of clones and recruits. I imagine that clones would be very expensive, so why use such expensive measures when you can simply conscript the population of a planet when the Empire comes to power. The Empire would use the expensive clones as crack troops and the recruits/conscripts (Davin Felth) as the stupid can't hit anything garrison troops
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Old 05-22-2002, 10:50 AM   #32
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Another reason that Stormtroopers aren't clones...

Part of the reason that Jango was kept around Kamino was because they had to keep taking DNA samples from him as the previous samples would become tainted or something.

Since, Jango dies in EP2 the clones would have to stop being made.


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Old 05-22-2002, 05:38 PM   #33
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So, does that mean the stormtroopers are just normal humans? That doesn't make sense, because the Empire has an infinite supply of them, almost. Are normal people really that willing to die.

Another thing, stormtroopers always die really easily cause they can't move about or see out of their helmets. How about they wear normal clothes-maybe then they'd live a little bit longer, eh?
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Old 05-23-2002, 02:25 AM   #34
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THEY ARE NOT CLONES

somebody call Lucas up and ask him

OYA TO THIS
Quote:
Where is Davin Felth's name in the movie? No where, therefore it's liable to change if Lucas wants to


Quote:
Stormtroopers abandoned individuality in exchange for their loyalty.
RIGHT OUT OF THE HORSES MOUTH
goto starwars.com look at the stormtrooper section

CLONES NEVER HAVE INDIVIDUALITY!!!!!
SO THEY CAN'T BE STRIPPED OF IT

you don't know who davin felth is tisk tisk
YOU CALL YOURSELF A STARWARS FAN!

i know about alot of this stuff because i not only watched the movies read most of the books
BUT I PLAYED THE CCG GAME
(card game)

which lucas made just for the movies
NO EXPSANDED UNIVERSE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO BOOKS HERE

straight from the movies!!!

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Jango Fett and HIS clones = Aussie accents
NOW ACCENTS ARE ONE THING
but completely different voices are another
an accent you can fake
a pitch of a voice and its tone impossible!

OYA IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHO DAVIN FELTH IS BUY
THE ESSENTIAL HANDBOOK TO CHARACTERS

HE IS IN THERE
HIS 1ST APPEARENCE IS EP 4
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So, does that mean the stormtroopers are just normal humans? That doesn't make sense, because the Empire has an infinite supply of them, almost. Are normal people really that willing to die
THINK OF HOW LARGE CHINA'S ARMY IS
THEY ARE 1 COUNTRY ON THIS PLANET

HOW MANY MORE TROOPS DO YOU THINK CHINA WOULD HAVE IF THEY CONTROLED
COUNTLESS PLANETS????????????
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Old 05-23-2002, 02:33 AM   #36
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LEMME GUESS EWOKS WERE ALL CLONES OF EACHOTHER 2
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You need to lay off the trip man...and about the subject, I'll take your word for it.....


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CLONES NEVER HAVE INDIVIDUALITY!!!!!
SO THEY CAN'T BE STRIPPED OF IT
Boba Fett is a Clone, he has a personality. We also get a look at a Clone in Episode II who looks as though he doesn't like being surrounded by thousands of people who look just like him (while Obi-Wan is going through the Cloning Facility and we get a look at the clones eating). Clones are just like identical twins, as someone else has said--they're not droids.
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Old 05-23-2002, 03:23 AM   #39
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If they aren't clones then why does Leia ask Luke in ANH "aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper." You'd think if they weren't clones they'd have varying heights. Or was that just purely a joke?


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Old 05-23-2002, 05:38 AM   #40
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I am 99% Stormtroopers ARE clones. And much more than a policeforce!

For a start this has been well known since 1977- for those of us old enough to have been there- plus putting clones in armour similar to stormtrooper armour also points to this. After all why abandon the effective troops who help you rule the universe- that would make zero sense!!!!! Well outside of the mind of Lucas- where he can make it up as he goes along!!!

The following link shows they ARE an elite unit, NOT A POLICEFORCE- although mention of clones is limited to Admiral Thrawn- presumably because for younger fans this will be an Ep3 spoiler (or worse Lucas has changed his mind). Also check the original Star Wars novelisation for more info on them being clones:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/org...oopers/eu.html

We will know for sure in 3 years time!!
ANH shows that you're wrong in a rather clear way. Ben's point is good, but there is also the fact that Han and Luke are walking down the corridors and Han is obviously taller than Luke, Officers would notice this immediately if they were used to Troopers being the same height.

What's more, since in AotC the officers are all Clones as well (Different colored uniforms), it would stand to reason that in the OT the officers would be clones if the troopers were clones.

This may not be absolute proof that they are not clones, but if it only leaves 1% doubt in your mind, there's something wrong...


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