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Old 05-22-2002, 11:53 PM   #1
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Your heroes Boba and Jango

I know everyone thinks they are cool looking etc. But has it occurred to anyone else what mega-wussies they are?

For supposedly being the most badass bounty hunters in the galaxy they both act and die like a couple of nimrods.

Think about it. Jango wasnt even doing anything cool when he was beheaded, mostly wrong place wrong time bye bye melon.

Boba dies when a blind guy (Han) bumps his jet pack and sends him into the saarlac pit.

Its no wonder that stormtroopers are such easy opponents throughout episodes 4-6, they were were cloned off wimp dna.

Hell, Sy Snootles puts up more of a fight than those guys.

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Old 05-23-2002, 12:32 AM   #2
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actually i think jango fett has the right to be called one of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy for three reasons:
1. went up against obi-wan and wasn't caught
2. shot and killed a jedi that was almost point blank range
3. killed the reek in one shot

also he wasn't just killed and beheaded, he went up against the second strongest jedi in the universe and was beheaded.


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Old 05-23-2002, 12:37 AM   #3
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trust me, Jango aint no wussy, im sure he's done many other things in that past that made him a SOB of a bounty hunter

Boba, well I dunno, we'll see in Episode 3 if he's a wussy


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Old 05-23-2002, 01:03 AM   #4
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The Fett's suck...the only reason Lucas brought em back is because for some unknown reason people liked him..prolly cuz he "looked real purty with that space armer an' 'at helmet with th' "T" in it" I mean...really. Boba dies with freakin physical comedy. It was supposed to be funny, and trust me, it was. And Jango....wtf? What a worthless piece of crap. I'm glad he's dead.
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Old 05-23-2002, 02:05 AM   #5
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did we not see the tv special

people thought he looked cool in the movies

BUT THE TV SPECIAL

and the books

if you have a prob. with the fetts something is wrong in your head
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Old 05-23-2002, 02:08 AM   #6
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In the EU Boba does not die in the pit. He sets off a thermal detenator and gets out. He dies later by some other means. (I think he and Han kill each other in a shoot out) However, this is EU so it is not necesarly true to the Star Wars story line. Plus this does not really make him any cooler than before. I just thought I would add the info.


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Old 05-23-2002, 06:02 PM   #7
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I think people like them so much cause they look cool and they have a cool job: "Bounty hunters"

I mean they can probably kill any one in the universe with all their weapons and battle experiance , but a jedi is another thing. I mean all the fancy guns and gadgets are no match against a light saber and the force.

Anyhow I like the fetts but not as much as a good ol' jedi



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Old 05-24-2002, 12:31 AM   #8
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I agree. It's REALLY unfair to say that the Fetts are pansies because they couldn't beat a jedi master. it took like 2000 battle droids to stop a jedi knight and his padwan from fighting. And Jango had to go up against the 2nd most powerful jedi in the universe. also notice, Jango fought Obi-wan, a full out jedi-knight for 10 years, to a draw, and almost killed him TWICE. No one without the use of the force has come close to that kind of feat. Now Boba on the other hand...he hasn't been tested yet. We'll see about him in EpIII. Till then, back off.

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Old 05-24-2002, 02:04 AM   #9
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sure stormtroopers are really clones?
sure the clone troopers are, but that in thier name.
i think the stormtrooper- clone relationship is more complex than most think, besides, in the EU all the troopers tend to be draftees conscripts or volunteers.
also, think of it, if clones were still common place in the original trilogy era why would there be a war specifically titled for involving clones?

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Old 05-24-2002, 09:36 AM   #10
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Oh please,

The only reason that Jango could stand up against Obi-Wan was because of his nifty gadgets, anyone could have had those.

A jetpack? that sure shows some l33t skill to use that thing.

A flamer? again, a jedi at point blank and he's lame enough to use a flamer?!

Akimbo blasters? Wow, cool...

Jango got KICKED two f*cking times by obi-wan, and he didnt even kick back or use some cool martial move.

I really can't stand this wicked fascination of a simple bounty hunter... I mean, in TESB, we see several bounty hunters, Boba and jango aren't alone in this business.

And I can restate that: Jango and Boba are NOTHING without their precioussssss gear... Nowhere in the films do we see any sort of cool move pulled off by them.

Sure, they might have battle experience and in the EU, they might kick ass....
But if someone stripped them of their armor and gave them a blaster, they'd just be a veteran storm trooper with an ugly helmet.
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Old 05-24-2002, 09:41 AM   #11
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Jango went up against and was killed by who Anikin called (Strongly implied) the most powerfull Jedi in the Universe and he is a wuss?

Boba is renowned as the greatest bounty hunter in the universe. He went out fighting in the last battle. How is he a wuss?
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Old 05-24-2002, 10:21 AM   #12
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Jango went up against and was killed by who Anikin called (Strongly implied) the most powerfull Jedi in the Universe and he is a wuss?

Boba is renowned as the greatest bounty hunter in the universe. He went out fighting in the last battle. How is he a wuss?
Easy now,

I realize half of you have Fett avatars and are die hard fans of 'em, but really, NOwhere in the movies (and I don't trust the EU) do we see them perform anything special without their godlike equipment.

Jango has rocketlaunchers, flamers, blasters, net-wires, bombs, jet-packs and stuff, yet he still doesn't kill anyone except a jedi who was caught off guard. You DON'T see him perform backflips, circle-kicks, cool dodges, amazing shots or anything like that. In the books, the script and the EU he might be *famous* as a bountyhunter but until i see some l33t skill in the movies, my opinion stands.

As for Boba (nice, intimidating name BTW) he dies because some blind smuggler *accidentally* activates his cool jetpack and he flies screaming into the maw of saarlac. Yes he dies, no his armor or thermal detonator doesn't save him. He is devoured over a period of 1000 years. Geez, don't take some half-assed fan-fiction for fact people.

I am sick and tired of fett fanboys claiming they are bountyhunters of tha universe or something similar. It's all in their silly gear, nothing special.
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Old 05-24-2002, 10:27 AM   #13
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He's right. Even C-3PO could wear that stuff and still be able to do the same tricks!
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Old 05-24-2002, 10:43 AM   #14
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Ahem...

No, c3po couldn't wear that gear and kick jedi butt, but someone trained in using it could. A trooper veteran, fx. I realize it takes a minimum of skill to use the jetpacks and all those exotic weapons and gadgets, but the fett's really don't show that skill.

If Lucas had put Ray Park (Mr. Maul) in that suit and done his wicked moves, THEN I'd be impressed. Notice the grace and fluidity of their motions? I bet Lucas hired the plumber from across the street to play Boba Fett. He sure looks like a mean bountyhunter...

Give Han Solo that gear, and a period of adjusting to the jetpack, and he'd be "The mega-leet bountyhunter of the universe" too...

Notice how boba is standing completely still and firing his guns? apart from jetpacking around (screwing up his aim and making him a fat target), he doesnt look for cover or anything a real leet soldier would do...

It's all in the damn gear.
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Old 05-24-2002, 10:51 AM   #15
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I was just being sarcatic, not literal. Besides, I do think it in the Fett's respects, it's the possessions that make the man. Even his ship has a disruptor thing so his victims cannot spot him on radar. Yeah Boba, you're well good. That's not him being stealthy, just admitting his ship has nice machine upgrades.
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Old 05-24-2002, 10:59 AM   #16
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*Agrees With Darklighter*

I Don't See whats so special about them......

there just suped up troopers...

just like a suped up car you can add parts upgrades and whatever but at the end of the day theyre still cars...

just like the Fetts.


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Old 05-24-2002, 11:09 AM   #17
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I was just being sarcatic, not literal. Besides, I do think it in the Fett's respects, it's the possessions that make the man. Even his ship has a disruptor thing so his victims cannot spot him on radar. Yeah Boba, you're well good. That's not him being stealthy, just admitting his ship has nice machine upgrades.
I knew you were sarcastic, I just played along with it...

And it's not always the possessions that makes the man.
A real SAS soldier would beat boba's and jango's asses simultaniously... I heard a SAS soldier survive for weeks on nothing and slay several people only with his knife or something similar.

The Fett's *could* show skill, but they don't.
Boba was just a bad actor with some hi-fi gear, not a skilled killer.
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Old 05-24-2002, 12:19 PM   #18
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Being a great bounty hunter doesn't nesseceraly mean a great killer.

Knowing to choose your battles is important.

I'm standing in their guard, but I'm pretty sure that if they would easily beat any non-jedi easily....

About the part with the Saarlac... Don't forget Boba is the ONLY person ever to survive and escape a Saarlac (20 years after ROTJ).


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Old 05-24-2002, 12:33 PM   #19
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"Easy now,

I realize half of you have Fett avatars and are die hard fans of 'em, but really, NOwhere in the movies (and I don't trust the EU) do we see them perform anything special without their godlike equipment.

Jango has rocketlaunchers, flamers, blasters, net-wires, bombs, jet-packs and stuff, yet he still doesn't kill anyone except a jedi who was caught off guard. You DON'T see him perform backflips, circle-kicks, cool dodges, amazing shots or anything like that. In the books, the script and the EU he might be *famous* as a bountyhunter but until i see some l33t skill in the movies, my opinion stands.

As for Boba (nice, intimidating name BTW) he dies because some blind smuggler *accidentally* activates his cool jetpack and he flies screaming into the maw of saarlac. Yes he dies, no his armor or thermal detonator doesn't save him. He is devoured over a period of 1000 years. Geez, don't take some half-assed fan-fiction for fact people.

I am sick and tired of fett fanboys claiming they are bountyhunters of tha universe or something similar. It's all in their silly gear, nothing special"

Woah woah woah. I really hope that reply was not specificly directed at me. I've never said anything to show I was a fett fan (let alone die-hard fan) or anything of the like. And I certainly didn't say that Boba didn't die. I was just rebutting the fact that you said that they were wusses.

Jango dies in fear. That doesn't automatically make him a wuss. The reason he was backing up and being as tactical as a babarian I would assume is because he was terrified. But before you jump on me, compare being corned by a Jedi Master to having a gun to you head. If you are terrified because someone is holding a gun to you, are you still a wuss?

I realise that they would be useless without they're gear. But their gear their merit. Is why they are claimed as the most powerfull bounty hunters in the Galaxy. They somehow gathered all the cash for some funky gadgets and learned how to use them pretty decently.

I think people just say Jango and Boba are awesome because of their gear, and not many people will argue that. But they need something more personal to attach their sentement to rather than the gear. People say Carnage is awesome, but in reality, he is just a guy with a symbiot (Sp?) attached. People don't say the symbiot is awesome as often as Carnage is.

Sorry. thats the best analagy I could come up with.
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Old 05-24-2002, 12:45 PM   #20
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Slight question...

Also why do people keep saying that the "Fett's" kick jedi butt? From all the movies so far I have only seen 1 jedi die at the hands(or guns) of a fett. It was that jedi who was going after dooku, and jango shoots him in the back(or was it the side?) and he was either killed by the blasts or the fall.
-The fight jango had with obiwan was a good fight , but he didnt win that fight by a long shot. I mean even when Obi wans lightsaber was knocked out of his hand, he was still kicking ass with only his jedi kicks and stuff. Jango had to rely on his jetpack,graplinghook, missles,blasters, ...ect, and he still didnt finish off Obi wan. He ended up fleeing the fight.
-Bobba's fight with Luke was even less intense.

-Dont get me wrong, I do like them. But vs. a Jedi they dont stand a chance.

-Even less of a chance vs. a SITH ---imagine jango or bobba vs. Darth maul!

-One final thing. Bobba is the bounty hunter but Vader is the one who actually captures Han solo and puts him in the carbonite encasing. So he didnt even do that himself.


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Old 05-24-2002, 02:19 PM   #21
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Being a great bounty hunter doesn't nesseceraly mean a great killer.

Knowing to choose your battles is important.

I'm standing in their guard, but I'm pretty sure that if they would easily beat any non-jedi easily....

About the part with the Saarlac... Don't forget Boba is the ONLY person ever to survive and escape a Saarlac (20 years after ROTJ).
Hmmmm.... I don't quite get what you're saying....

But boba fett in ROTJ doesn't quite look like a person who could kill someone, let alone capture someone. In fact, I don't recall him EVER killing someone in the films, please correct if im wrong here, and he has NO part in capturing Han Solo.

Yes, about the part with the saarlac, I already stated that I don't give a flying f*ck about the fan fiction... Anyone can write whatever they want, look: "Luke is NOT the son of Anakin skywalker". Now i've changed the whole universe, and added my part to the expanded universe... how cool.
The expanded universe can be anything, it can even cease to be starwars (dark empire, not starwars, although cool), and that's why i dislike it and don't take it for written fact.

Good ole Boba is thrown down into the saarlac and his chewed up, killed, devoured and so on. End of story.

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Old 05-24-2002, 02:31 PM   #22
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[BWoah woah woah. I really hope that reply was not specificly directed at me. I've never said anything to show I was a fett fan (let alone die-hard fan) or anything of the like. And I certainly didn't say that Boba didn't die. I was just rebutting the fact that you said that they were wusses.

Jango dies in fear. That doesn't automatically make him a wuss. The reason he was backing up and being as tactical as a babarian I would assume is because he was terrified. But before you jump on me, compare being corned by a Jedi Master to having a gun to you head. If you are terrified because someone is holding a gun to you, are you still a wuss?

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No, no, no!

That was not intended for you! And I never called them wussies, twinstar did. I just called the first person who leapt to the defence of the fett's a fanboy, because most of you seem to be one... It was stupid of me, and i apologise.

Now, I never said anything about the last moments of Jango, IIRC. And running for your life is smart, not something wussy.

But, If Lucas were to portray Jango as a badass bountyhunter, he'd first let Jango use his "wire-gun" on Mace. And THEN flame him! Wouldn't that show some more skill than simply blasting away?
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Old 05-24-2002, 02:37 PM   #23
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Re: Slight question...

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Also why do people keep saying that the "Fett's" kick jedi butt? From all the movies so far I have only seen 1 jedi die at the hands(or guns) of a fett. It was that jedi who was going after dooku, and jango shoots him in the back(or was it the side?) and he was either killed by the blasts or the fall.
I couldn't agree more.

Well, I did call the fett's "jedi butt-kickers", but that was simply because many people here think that they eats jedis for breakfast. Sarcasm, if you like.

Yeah, the only jedi he killed was because he was caught off guard...

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Old 05-25-2002, 01:26 AM   #24
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Well I have read all the arguments and after much deliberation....I stick with my original opinion.

They are a couple of pushovers.

Zam Wesell was more impressive in Ep2 than the Fetts were. Think about it.

Good thing for the rebellion that stormtroopers were cloned off of them, might have had a whole different outcome otherwise.



And I agree with the posts that the EU doesnt count (even George says so, how can you argue with that?)

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Old 05-25-2002, 02:41 PM   #25
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Consider this: Boba & Jango are villians in the Star Wars universe, a good vs. evil world with the same "rules" as aincent comic-book stlye serials.

Of course they can never "win," no Star Wars villian can win. They can get the upper hand and make a nuisance of themselves, but good ALWAYS has to beat evil.

Since they can't actually accomplish anything, like, say, kill a main character, all a SW villian has is to look cool, which Bob & Jo do a pretty good job of.

Boba hunts down the Falcon in ep. V, that was pretty good, and I bet that the buzz in un-internet-linked SW communities built up the mysterious guy known only as Bounty Hunter.

So remamer that a bad guy can't win in the SW universe.

Maybe in the EU or the "shudder" Star Trek universes. But not in SW.
Kind of off-topic, but I've surmised that if, oh, say, IG-88 and Data battled on even ground, IG-88 would win in the ST Universe, which favours "reality" (IG-88 is built for killin'!) and Data would win in the SW universe (he's a good guy!).
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Old 05-28-2002, 01:04 AM   #26
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Is actually trying to fight mace windu, most skilled swordsman in the galaxy being a wuss? He could have ran... I guess hes as honorable as a jedi. And Jango was kicking obi wan too. He was using melee combat. Couldn't you do that with out armor?


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Old 05-28-2002, 01:49 AM   #27
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Barring all these useless arguments about how different people rate on the "cool" scale"

Pick one non-Force user in the Star Wars universe who can hold their own against a Jedi Master, besides Jango Fett.

That's what I thought.

Get over it.


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Old 05-28-2002, 01:09 PM   #28
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For starters, all i'm saying is that most starwars nuts makes boba and jango something they're not. They're not uber leet.

Of course the villains in starwars cannot win the war, but they sure can win the battle. Just watch episode 1+2+5 and tell me if it was the bad guys who got their asses kicked.

As for boba (who started it all, and gave birth to his father), well, he was no great villain. Just look at greedo, he played an equally great part in the movies, why didn't he get elevated to uber-ness? Sure, boba found the millenium falcon, but lucas just needed a small fish to fill that plot part, and after that boba didn't do anything, except dying in the sarlaarc and showing off his cool jetpack.

As for Jango "holding his own" against obi-wan i just got the impression that he was dragging out the fight with his gadgets and rockets. If only Jango had had his blaster and wasn't being helped by some huge blastercannons, they'd never had got into a melee without the sabre. Oh, and Obi wiped his ass in melee, even though he didnt have his lightsabre.

The bottom line is: The fetts play such a small part of the movies that they never get to develop *any* sort of personality, besides being the stereotypical disposable small villain. And people love them for it. *That* I find weird.
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Old 05-28-2002, 03:45 PM   #29
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STOP

In ESB Boba Fett was so cool. Everyone loved him. But they also loved Lukes Duel with Vader.

Why can't we all love the cool Mandlore bounty hunters and the sleek deadly agile Jedi?


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Old 05-29-2002, 12:41 PM   #30
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Okay, I'll stop...

But, now i just want someone to tell why they think that boba was oh so cool in ESB. Maybe it's just my taste in body armor and werid helmets that doesn't get along with the rest of you, i don't know...
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Old 05-29-2002, 01:05 PM   #31
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Bobba fett was an insignificant charecter, that people made significant for some reason. Maybe it was because vader said"No more disintigrations". Who knows.
Jango was brought in cause of the popularity of bobba i think.
I have nothing against them. They are cool charecters but not to the degree some of people make them out to be.

Anyhow they are no match or have ever been a math for a jedi. Even with all their gadgets and guns


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Old 05-30-2002, 03:38 PM   #32
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hmm...

Sorry, I was not intending this as a jedi vs. bounty hunters thing.

I simply meant that the Fetts on their own merits are really wussy.

Neither of them accomplish anything in the real Star Wars universe (not the EU bs which makes me cringe).

Boba didnt even capture Han Solo, Vader did. All Boba did was stand around and look cool and apparently that is enough for some people.

Jango didnt "go up against the most powerful jedi (mace windu)", he was what we call..in the wrong place at the wrong time. Nothing noble or honorable about it. If he could have avoided that encounter altogether im sure he would have, but they were not expecting ANY jedi to show up. And its not like there was much of a fight, he just got his head chopped.

His fight with Obi-Wan was a joke too. He took some cheap shots, flew away with his jet pack, more cheap shots...etc. until finally having to flee anyway after his best efforts.

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Oh I forgot , Jango DID manage to take a cheap shot and get a Jedi in the back I guess thats worth something.

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