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Old 05-29-2002, 12:35 AM   #41
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Re: Well...

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Originally posted by Father Time
I think, 1.03 plain sucks ass.

And is way to unbalanced.

1.02 has some flaws (Visible F.absorb) but is way better balanced in gameplay.

I down graded it to 1.02 and I'm just addicted to JK2 again!!!

I'm having so much fun in 1.02. While 1.03 was "I'm trying to get better on this but this ain't no fun" for hours.

So, screw 1.03 and go back to 1.02
I used to think the same thing, but one day I decided to suck it up, and play, and now I've not only gotten my skill back, but I've found some of the best players online to play with. You should give 1.03 another shot.

Just remember, this doesn't mean I endorse all changes made, but it still isn't that bad.


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Old 05-29-2002, 02:07 AM   #42
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I quit playing Jedi Knight becuase I lost my faith in Raven.

The game was great the day I bought it, and all my friends thought it was one of the best FPS combat based games there was.

The fact that raven is catering to the minority of complainers on the forums made me lost all my trust in them. They butchered a great game and most of my friends have already found better games to play since this has happend.

As stated by serveral other experienced players, 1.02 had a high learning curve and you couldnt run into a game and win by swinging widely. I learned that fact the first few days of playing and started learning strategies and moves that made my gameplay very enjoyable. The lowered damage and magical blocking was just stupid. I can put up with the saber combat being more like single player but this.... Your not suppost to block from behind, hell you cant even see your opponet and magical block a swing in the back. Blocking was done by cautious combat in 1.02. You had to face your opponet and prevent from swinging while he makes an attack.

All I hear are complainers saying how you cant block and how much more fun 1.03 was. You know what that means? That means you died a lot in 1.02. That means you couldnt make the learning curve. That means you didnt want to play the game.

And about this nonsense about games should hamper gameplay for the 56kers. Give me a break. First Person Shooters are designed primarly for broadband users. If you are complaining that your connection is too slow, that buy a RTS game. Get a game that doesnt depend greatly on your connection.

As for my personal opinion on the matter of 56k not being available in your area, then why do you live there? One of the top priorities on my list when I bought my house was how fast of an internet connection I could get there for the price.

Next time you move someplace, maybe you should check on the broadband availablity first before complaining after the fact.
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Old 05-29-2002, 02:48 AM   #43
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...it would be nice for Raven to at least acknowledge that a patch is in the works. At least then it would be bearable to wait around for a few months. an expansion pack, while it costs money, is another option....

neither has been committed to by Raven.

so until they speak up, back to 1.02...at least its FUN!
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Old 05-29-2002, 03:46 PM   #44
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Dark Begger is right

I think that this Dark Begger guy is 100% right.

This dumb patch exists because morons hated losing. Besides the DFA neutering and the blocking with the back of your head, they also made it ridiculously SLOW.

1.02 was fast paced and intense. If you made a dumb mistake you paid for it. In 1.03 you can make any mistake short of falling into a pit and still survive. This is better to you people?

Anyway Begger you mentioned a clan that still plays 1.02? Let me know the web site?
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Old 05-29-2002, 04:18 PM   #45
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1.02 = more skill..higher learning curve??? wtf?.

All I can say is that in 1.02 I had the top score on the server a WHOLE lot more than I do now...and it's not because of the pull/backstab whores. It was because I could go ape-**** on my keyboard and mouse button and come away with a boat load of kills. Now I need to think and react a whole lot more to win a fight.

In 1.02 it was easy to get lots of kills without using specials..now the only way to get lots of kills(most of the time) is to whore the specials. This is an improvement in my mind. I don't care that I get 6 or 7 kills to the leaders 25 because those 6 or 7 kills were EARNED not gotten through lame tactics or random luck.
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Old 05-29-2002, 07:10 PM   #46
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You consider whoring the specials an improvement in your mind? What is wrong with you.

I have also noticed that a lot of people tend to speak about 1.03 without seeing all aspects that have been ruined by it.

Have any of you played any full force dueling or FFA in 1.03? If you have, then you would know how badly it has been raped.

You dont so any saber combat in Force dulers. The strategy on force gameplay consists of being light side, keeping absorb up to prevent from being knocked down, and use pull/backsweep to kill your enemies. Everyone does this becuase it is the most effective way now.

Go ask the so called 1.03 god, Artfifex. He does that constantly and so does his friends.
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Old 05-29-2002, 07:29 PM   #47
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ok, then let's look at it this way..if you think you play as much as I do. I attend university, and skip class constantly (because I go out too late at night am playing jk2 too late..and dont' wake up in time), I play..as in PLAY JK2, from 10AM - 4 PM, then I stop watch some tv, then play from 7PM-11PM... and I mean PLAY...I'm only 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, my computer does not shut off. Ok I'm a geek, but I don't have a job, I can play all I want. you just said you have a job. good for you. go do your work then, but I spend *estimating from figures above *10 hours a day PLAYING JK2, if you want to count online time I'm on 24 hours a day..double yours, so eat it.

And you can't get DSL or Cable? aww too bad, it's not our fault, don't complain about having 56k and not being able to counter a move SOMETIMES due to it, because frankly, if you can't change it, too friggen bad, live with it. Should I go..ohh..yeah..I'm sorry..you can't get DSL..I guess 1.03 was a good change then..because those 56kers who can't get a DSL or cable connection make up such a huge part of our community that we should cater to them. HA funny.

And your friend's cable must be ****ed up, because 99% of the time, you see DFA coming and can get out of the way SOO easily.

If you can kick most people's asses, then why did you complain about DFA?

Bah, I read back and we are on the same side..I forgot who the hell I was talking to here after reading back becaus I am for 1.02, and it seems you are too..I have no idea what the hell happened. 1.03 is crap, but complaining about backstab will push a 1.04 which is even more crap. So I say try to make Raven go backwards with increasing saber strength to normal attacks and hopefully things will balance out *no more ass fighters*
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Old 05-29-2002, 10:59 PM   #48
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Call me stupid...

I dunno...I haven't been playing for long...nor have I been a part of this heated ...eh... "disscussion". But I'm wondering... Would Raven really make a move where it can't be countered in SOME way? I don't mean a saber block, per se, but more of a "kill-him-before-he-kills-you" To make a patch where someone can totally OWN a fight using a specific combo that can't be stopped in some fashion would seem to imply that Raven wrote this patch at 3 in the morning, running on nothing but caffiene and porno... Maybe, they could be that idiotic to do something where it was THAT un-balanced, but if it was a mistake, wouldn't they have patched it by now? They're MUST be something you can do to stop these specific attacks, whether it's run your butt off, or just blast them away with a rocket, I don't know, I have yet to get on a public server, flame me if you will...

It just seems foolish to me that they could throw the game "off balance" without knowing it/fixing it
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Old 05-30-2002, 03:01 PM   #49
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Well Datheus, it could well be that LEC simply doesn't want Raven to produce a new patch, because LEC would have to PAY them for doing it. Personally I believe that Raven were indeed rushing when they put the patch out, and I doubt whether they had any "master plan" when they released it, it was just ill-conceived and generally a bad idea. Oh well, it happened to T2, CS... pleh.


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Old 05-30-2002, 03:14 PM   #50
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Oh well, it happened to T2,
U mean the ML range and Heat Sign ??
It s far from breakin T2 as much as 1.03 broke JK 2 IMO
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Old 05-30-2002, 03:22 PM   #51
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ugh, the fact that there is a complaint about "whoring" anything bothers me
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Old 05-30-2002, 03:28 PM   #52
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ugh, the fact that there is a complaint about "whoring" anything bothers me
Whoring is a term, just as a newbie is a term.

The thing is, I always thought that it meant you were good at something and really owned people with it. In this part of the net, it means that you're an idiot and use the same move over and over to much dismay. Oh well.
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Old 05-30-2002, 03:33 PM   #53
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mm...whoring..my ex girlfriend was a whore..damn she'd be good at JK2 with the backstab..HAHAHHA
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Old 05-30-2002, 03:40 PM   #54
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The thing is, I always thought that it meant you were good at something and really owned people with it
exactly
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Old 05-30-2002, 03:43 PM   #55
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yes...the whoring term changed after a while didn't it? Now it's connotation is anyone using 1 move all the time. They don't have to be good or get kills to be 'whoring' anymore..haha...which is odd...
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Old 06-03-2002, 09:02 AM   #56
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my dream is to be a high class whore... like julia roberts
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:38 PM   #57
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Only unskilled players were killed by the DFA move a lot. Only unskilled players are killed by backstabbing a lot now. Only the unskilled players had problems with the game before it was patched to make up for thier lack of skill. The unskilled players are the only ones who complain and whine the most and the loudest and evidently are the only ones Raven will listen to.
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Old 06-03-2002, 07:10 PM   #58
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i can kill alot more efficiently if i use backstab than if i dont
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Old 06-03-2002, 07:15 PM   #59
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You must be fighting a lot of unskilled players, you sure the hell ain't fighting me.
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Old 06-05-2002, 01:43 AM   #60
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NEWS FLASH!!!

If you don't like it, CHANGE IT.

The source code is out. Start a mod. Make the ultimate version of JO. Who knows, maybe some ladder will pick it up. I used to play in a clan that played Q2 Weapons Factory competetively, so I know there are mod ladders out there.

Want more blocking? Add it! Want less blocking? Take it out! Want all hits to be insta-kills! Bump up the damage! Want to make all hits super-weak, but leave ONE move REALLY powerful? Go for it!

The options are wide open. I don't think we'll see another patch because 1.) LEC won't pay for it, and 2.) Raven has other stuff to do. They'll still offer support for the new SDK, but they won't be making a patch out of the goodness of their own hearts (not to mention checkbooks -- it'll cost 'em time and money).

Instead, they've given US the option to make our OWN patches. Yeah, you can't release it as widely, but hey, so what? It's better than nothing.

Why bother pissing and moaning about how the game was hella-neato-cool before or the game is super-king-kameiameia-awesome now and keep beating a dead (and by now, rotting) horse, when you can actually go out and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT??? If you HATE AND DESPISE all the WHINERS who RUINED your once proud and beautiful game, and think that 1.03 totally DESTROYED all fun in the universe, make a patch that you think will be fun.

If you think 1.03 is a good step in the right direction, but needs some tweaks, go make 'em.

Raven has cut out the middleman and passed the savings on to YOU.
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Old 06-05-2002, 03:56 AM   #61
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raven did no testing.

i suspect that they will further destroy the game by hindering other moves that have a purpose.

backstab had a purpose in 1.02. it didnt kill immediately. raven needs to realize this as well.
In 1.02 you couldn't run backwards to backstab because sabers hurt more than a wiffle bat.
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Old 06-05-2002, 09:38 AM   #62
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The 1.03 patch didn't lower the learning curve a bit, it lowered it ALL THE WAY.

Example.

I had been played JK2 for about a week almost continuously, fighting both online players and bots. I had mastered the moves pretty well, and knew how to win saber duels. One day I invited my sister to duel me on my home LAN. She had never played JK2 before, although she had played JK1 a long time ago, and had not played pretty much any computer game for over a year.

During the first duel, the score was 10-3 in my favor. I was perplexes because she had no idea WTF she was doing. What was happening was that the incredible amount of blocking very much reduced how much skill it took to stay alive, plus the reduced saber damage. Essentially, because my attacks were not effective, my sister, although unskilled, was alive enough to land some lucky blows. Of course, I still won, but the point is that a newbie player was able to win several rounds based purely on the fact that the game style had been made less based on skill, and more based on luck.
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Old 06-05-2002, 09:44 AM   #63
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Agreed.

Can't someone make enhanced 1.02?


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