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Old 05-28-2002, 01:13 PM   #1
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Ok, some news on 1.04

Ok, this has been around on another forum that I visit for some time now (ok *cough* about 2 or more weeks *cough), and I was too lazy to transfer it here, but ok, here it goes.

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Originally posted by Aiee:
On the behalf of myself and a couple of danish friends, I sent an email to Mike gummelt, who is one of the two lead programmers at Raven. In my email, I mentioned several of the things me and my friends have found slightly imbalanced, as well as suggestions as to how to fix it. I just received a reply, and from the look of it, the days of people running backwards into fights in the hope of scoring a quick kill with the backstab are nearing an end.

Quoting the mail:

Subject: RE: Patch 1.03 feedback and 1.04 suggestions
Date sent: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:57:40 -0500

I was prepared for yet another ranting, raving, offensive and childish
e-mail from panicky, impatient 12 year olds, but I was very pleasantly
surprised by your e-mail. It was calm, logical, rational and well-thought
out. These are very good suggestions (I definitely want to fix the
backstabs, I thought they had been fixed, but apparently the other
programmer never got around to it, and I like the idea of more ammo per
pickup and/or faster respawns... and I've always been in favor of moving
slower when running backwards) and I have written them down on my list for a
second patch (if we do one).

Thanks again!




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Old 05-28-2002, 01:15 PM   #2
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Cool.

Thanks for the info.
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Old 05-28-2002, 01:16 PM   #3
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Basically.....THERE IS A LIST!!!.....


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Old 05-28-2002, 01:17 PM   #4
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Cool.

Thanks for the info.
Bah you beat me to it, I didn't think anyone was gonna post that soon


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Old 05-28-2002, 01:18 PM   #5
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aaaaahhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! !


im done. i have little hope
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Old 05-28-2002, 01:19 PM   #6
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i need to have a long chat with some of my peers and send a letter soon!
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Old 05-28-2002, 01:20 PM   #7
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hmmm

Then by the looks of it 1.04 is going to destroy JK2 more...so now they're nerfing backstab...great...

next they' nerf the medium overhead finisher...

next they'll nerf heavy...
next they'll nerf medium...
next they'll nerf light....
next you'll have my mod...(read my mod suggestion if ya dont' know what i'm talkin about )
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Old 05-28-2002, 01:22 PM   #8
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hey Nathan that's funny


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Old 05-28-2002, 01:25 PM   #9
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Go Sweden! Thanks for the info Good or Bad


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Old 05-28-2002, 01:30 PM   #10
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yeah, i know. looking back it reads like a bad afterschool special about writting to one's congressman.

still, it wasnt meant to be funny. i find this far from humerous
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Old 05-28-2002, 01:31 PM   #11
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I definitely want to fix the backstabs, I thought they had been fixed, but apparently the other programmer never got around to it
From this quote alone it might mean that your gonna have to wait awhile since theyčre jacking off and dont know whos doing what
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Old 05-28-2002, 01:32 PM   #12
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I disagree with just about every suggestion for 1.04 that you made....

Instead of faster respawns... just kill yourself as your falling.
More ammo per pickup will just make everyone spam again like they did in 1.02 instead of actually having to aim like you do now.
Moving slower when running backwards? That means everyones sensativity would have to be a billion so you can always walk forward.

I hope that 1.04 doesn't gay the game because of that e-mail...


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Old 05-28-2002, 01:36 PM   #13
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ahh...

a team Valar here? hmmm...I believe on the TWL forums that most of you dislike the new ammo restrictions....

and as for running backwards slower..it is quite a stupid option..they just keep catering to those who cannot handle the game, instead of those with real insight to it.
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Old 05-28-2002, 01:40 PM   #14
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Originally posted by Krash
I disagree with just about every suggestion for 1.04 that you made....

Instead of faster respawns... just kill yourself as your falling.
More ammo per pickup will just make everyone spam again like they did in 1.02 instead of actually having to aim like you do now.
Moving slower when running backwards? That means everyones sensativity would have to be a billion so you can always walk forward.

I hope that 1.04 doesn't gay the game because of that e-mail...
He was talking about the weapon dumps respawning faster. Also, with increased ammo being given per dump, that wouldn't remove the need to aim, or bring spamming back, it would just make it so players don't have to rely only on fire modes that a jedi can reflect back with ease.

Also, do me a favour. Run backwards, and tell me you move as fast as when you run forwards. If you can, well then I guess the current situation is fine.


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Old 05-28-2002, 02:36 PM   #15
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Godammit you people are brickheads!
No one is going to change your opinion on anything, since you're all so stubborn. Go back to your cave of grumpiness.

The comment about "We have insight. You have NOT" just tells us about how you cannot adapt, and is a silly excuse for slamming a very good idea. And don't give me any elitist crap, this forum is so newbie-hating that it hurts my head to read it.

Moving slower while *running* backwards IS a very good change to an already good game IMHO. How would it destroy the game? People wouldn't run like chickens from saber fights, and "saberists" would actually catch up with those people who ran from them. It would be closer to realisty without sacrificing gameplay. I can't count the games that get this thing wrong.

You guys want a bad change? Make the blocking system like 1.02. "Now we can have the pathetic jousting fights like in jk1, and it would be all fun 'n stuff!".

In this order, these are the changes i'd like to see:

1) First of all fix backstab ASAP. I dont care how, make it blockable, unturnable, remove the move altogether or whatever. Fix it, it was never meant to be like this, according to that developer letter.

2) Backtracking should also be fixed ASAP, IMHO.

3) Make it so you could actually lose your saber when throwing it, *completely* like single player.

4) up the damage on the lightsabers a tiny weeny bit. They're not lethal enough, and without backstab, fights can drag on endlessly.

5) Adopt the push/pulling of items from single player. Raven has already shown us that it could be done, there's really no reason not to do it IMO.

6) Implement the idea of manual blocking, though automatic blocking can happen if your guard is not up, but it will cost you force. This idea is commented in the feedback forum.

That is all for now, please comment and tell me what i get wrong.
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Old 05-28-2002, 02:39 PM   #16
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heh, you guys are argueing about the new patch.. but you missed one sentance he said


(if we do one)


that might of been the last patch :P.
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Old 05-28-2002, 02:49 PM   #17
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True.

Didn't actually see that, but i'm sure they will make another patch.
This community is so hostile that they must be getting death threats on a daily basis, and someday they will give in to all the people sending mails for improvement (and improvement IS needed!)...

Really, i think they'll make another patch...
Well, i'm quite sure anyway....
Raven, don't give up on us guys!!!

I'll ******* kill you if you dont, you ******* **** *****!!!!!!

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Old 05-28-2002, 02:56 PM   #18
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Uhm, at least they have a list...


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Old 05-28-2002, 03:03 PM   #19
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ugh, and quite a list at that
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Old 05-28-2002, 03:11 PM   #20
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how very amusing..

Hmm...quite amusing there, your nice long message of what YOU want to see...you are exactly right though, everything is in YOUR opinion. Exactly why does backstab need fixing? Is it that you cannot handle it, so you want Raven to fix it for you? ahh I see...

And as for blocking, blocking is good in 1.03, but damage is bad, it should be raised ...to the point of 1.02. Battles will be longer, less hits will be accounted for, but there still is that sense of danger when approaching an enemy.

oh and I see, you have real insight, so YOU know what is a bad change and what is a good change and WE do not..okay, if you say so.

As for the rest of your suggestions they are valid and I agree with them.

One thing is certain though, I have adapted to the changes, but what I am angry about is how the people who complained about DFA/heavy stance in 1.02, are back again to complain about backstab. there is no satisfying them, yet Raven continues to attempt to.

Oh, and have we changed your opinion? If we are stubborn, than so are you. I have not seen you change your opinion about liking 1.03, why? because YOU think there was no good reason to change your opinion. Well we are on the same boat, because I have not had one good reason to change my opinion on the patch or on JK2.

Therefore if we are brickheads, so are you. THank you, have a good day.
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Old 05-28-2002, 03:15 PM   #21
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Then by the looks of it 1.04 is going to destroy JK2 more...so now they're nerfing backstab...great...
Er.... yes, that is great actually.
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Old 05-28-2002, 03:18 PM   #22
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No more idiot people trying to backstab...can't wait till that happenes. Not because I can't handle it. I am one of the worst backstabbers there are, however it's really not fair to the people who can't do it.


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Old 05-28-2002, 03:23 PM   #23
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lol

well, then let's just all make it fair to the people who can't do it..

heavy stance - Can't use it well? awww... let's take it out for those who can't!

Medium over head finisher - some people diefrom it? aww..let's take that out too..

Medium stance? - since heavy is gone and this is the strongest awww, new players can't use it well..that's gone too...

...well you got my point...

If we constantly take out things in order to make it 'fair' for those who cannot do the moves or cannot counter it (but there is a counter), a new 'move' will appear that will have an advantage over others and that will be abused and taken out....Raven started with putting out a platter of a variety of different moves...and one by one...because some people cannot do them or cannot handle them...they are being taken away. There is no end, so why not keep variety in the game and not take this any further?
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Old 05-28-2002, 03:34 PM   #24
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oh and...

Oh hey Cjais, you said this yourself, how long did you play 1.02? how long? ohh yeah...3-4 days..I see. So you're making assumptions on it for your 3-4 days of play? I see..I played 1.02 for how long? 2 months....and we ahve both been playing 1.03 for how long? 2-3 weeks...hmmm...so I see..this is what I mean when I say insight...do you know anything in detail about 1.02? no. how can you make comments on it?

I've played 1.02, and 1.03, and can play them both. I dislike 1.03, but have adapted and still play it, just not with as much passion as I had for 1.02.

When you commented on why we have more insight, you just answered yoru own question on another thread. We have somethign to compare it to, while all you have to compare to 1.03 is the outer shell of 1.02.
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Old 05-28-2002, 07:34 PM   #25
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I honestly find this subject rather funny.

Let's see, not long after the game came out, we had people complaining about the DFA move and that grip and lightening were too powerful (and a long list of other stuff).

So, what did Raven do? They made a patch that nerfed grip and lightening and basically eliminated DFA's lethalness. Just what everybody wanted (well, almost everybody).

OK. So, here we sit again complaining about light stance backstab and that grip was nerfed too much (and another long list).

Anyone see a pattern forming here???

Seems like no matter what, people are gonna nitpick the hell out of this game until it is customized individually for each person.

So you all really think backstab is that big of a problem??? Whatever floats your LITTLE boat. IMHO, I think they ought to send DFA and backstab back to v1.02. Why? Because, even though people spammed the hell out of them then, they were still beatable. The only big gripe I had about DFA was the damage radius (i know, there is another word for it). If you were dueling with someone using DFA in v1.02, and you were standing behind him, then you ended up paying for it. THAT's why it was spammed.

Now we have @$$-fighters who run backwards trying to do backstab. And if Raven nerfs that, then someone will find another move to spam. And the cycle will keep on going. Leave the moves alone, the idiots that spam them are beatable, you just have to know how. Let them spam the hell out of the move, there is always a counter move/force.

In v1.02 I could easily beat DFA spammers with a little practice. With a little more practice I have found ways to beat backstab spammers. So, instead of patching it everytime someone whines, just let them spam until they learn better.

BTW, has anyone else noticed some people spamming heavy stance backsweep (or medium, whichever one it is)? My one friend likes to spam it every now and then, and usually racks up the kills from it. If there are 2 or 3 people behind him, they all die. Oh well.

Now go back to your b!tch!n'!


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Old 05-28-2002, 08:02 PM   #26
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This better not be the last patch! People are still buying this game daily. You would think it would continue to be supported and even expansion packs would be released in the future.

Sounds like Raven is pulling the same crap Valve did with Counterstrike.

If you are not going to support this game, release the sp and the mp SDK so we can support it ourselves!
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Old 05-28-2002, 08:59 PM   #27
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I'm glad they are working on some of the problems!

I don't think that backstab/backsweep is a problem as a move (more the players) but there needs to be a penalty to the player performing the pull and backstab/sweep. Maybe make it so that if a person pulls than performs a backstab/sweep then it will totally run out their Force meter. You can usually get away if you're prepared for it, so that would give the pullers something to think about, and the pullee a way to retaliate. Usually the people doing those moves aren't the brightest or most skilled of players, so once their trick has puffed out they would get it. Just an idea.
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Old 05-28-2002, 09:03 PM   #28
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I completely agree with the first 5, but not sure about the last one:

1) First of all fix backstab ASAP. I dont care how, make it blockable, unturnable, remove the move altogether or whatever. Fix it, it was never meant to be like this, according to that developer letter.

2) Backtracking should also be fixed ASAP, IMHO.

3) Make it so you could actually lose your saber when throwing it, *completely* like single player.

4) up the damage on the lightsabers a tiny weeny bit. They're not lethal enough, and without backstab, fights can drag on endlessly.

5) Adopt the push/pulling of items from single player. Raven has already shown us that it could be done, there's really no reason not to do it IMO.

6) Implement the idea of manual blocking, though automatic blocking can happen if your guard is not up, but it will cost you force. This idea is commented in the feedback forum.


Well said.
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Old 05-28-2002, 11:03 PM   #29
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I don't really care about the backtracking... it might be cool if they change it. The most important issues are still:

1. Too much blocking. The radius should be smaller and the collsion needs tweaking. So now and then I see my saber bouncing off people who are draining or even when I hit them in the back. I have seen people take it in the gut and suddenly block. I'm seeing this happen with a ping of 30-40 so it isn't lag.
The same blocking you have now but then in a 90 degree arc, with the collision detection only functioning within this arc. You could keep the effectiveness this way yet make it more believable. Collision feels really bugged now.

2. More damage. If the blocking gets toned down, this might not be needed. But to make sure, I think they should up the damage on all normal attacks. Sometimes I now see someone get cut clean across the mid-section in medium and only lose about 30 hp. I would say you should lose at least 50 for something like that.

3. The backstab... tweak it a bit. Make attacking things in front of you more rewarding than backstabbing. Then who'll ever want to spam it again?

4. Remove damage noise for anything less than 10 hp. Good way to know if you landed a hit or not.

5. Add the fists!!!
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Old 05-29-2002, 05:16 PM   #30
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Artifex and others are claiming that this new patch 1.03 takes away from the competitive players and ruins the game for them. I ask you, this is a computer GAME right, not an olympic sport?

WEBSTER'S Defines Game as:

game (gâm), -n 1.an amusement or pastime 2. the apparatus employed in playing any of certain games 3. a contest for amusement in the form of a trial of chance, skill, or endurance, according to set rules 4. a single contest at play, or a definite portion of play 5. the number of points required to win a game 6.a particular manner or style of playing a game 7. a proceeding carried on like a game 8. a trick; strategy 9. fun; sport of any kind 10 wild animals, including birds and fishes, such as are hunted or taken for food or profit

etc... the rest of the definitions have to do with the wild animal and hunting themes

the ongoing theme here is fun and/or amusement. You purchased a game just as everyone else here did. By definition, we expect to have fun with this game. Instead you would rather define your existence with the statistics you acquire playing this game. You have lost site of what it is this product was designed for... fun.

If you believe that it is only fun to acquire points/frags/wins, then you will lead a most disappointing lifetime. You can't always win, and if you base your happiness off winning, then you will find yourself amongst some serious bouts of depression within your lifetime. You do realize you could still win, with every aspect of this game nerfed, but it would take a little (or a lot) longer?That is unacceptable to you. You must acquire points/frags/wins as fast as possible and accumulate enough to keep your "cyber status" of uber-coolness. Why is this? Is it because your reality is out of your control and not as you'd like it, so you find something that you CAN control and slowly base your happiness on that reality, and if someone came along and changed things to where your amount of control waivers or even diminishes you become indignant and/or aggressive to the point of elitism?

We as a gaming community want to have fun, of course this is why Raven & Lucasarts released Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast as just that: a game. Perhaps if it was released as a Job, career, utility, weapon, tool etc. you could justify the amout of complaining and vocalized bashing you have spewn forth, and rightly so. THose devices are meant for more serious and exact apllications. However, games are meant for fun. Sometime I wonder if you guys can even say that word without twitching and/or falling to the floor convulsing madly.

I, for one and as many others have mentioned, can have fun when being struck down by a player in all their ass-fighting glory. I can get a kick out teh many ways I've died. I have fun learning from my mistakes and those of others. But I sense that you base your existance on your ability to amass large scores, maybe even your self worth, therefor stripping the game of it's inherent "fun factor". It becomes nothing more than war waged on each other. The kind of war that to the winners goes the spoils of status. It becomes a mental drain, an obcession to prove yourself to those noobies or unknowingly wander into your self-proclaimed crusade and to continue your dominance over those you've sent packing before.

Why else wuld you need "instant" kills, If not to acquire large amounts of score as quickly as possible? You simply ignore the fun aspect and begin your crusade to control that which has replaced the reality which you can't control, all the while ruining it for those who have come to experience fun with a game that delivers 3D immersion and a Star Wars atmosphere.

Shame on you for ruining the community, and discouraging noobies from darkiening our doorway! Shame on you for attempting to single-handedly muddy a software developing companies good name by rash and judgemental verbal bashings! But most of all, I feel sorry for you that you would rob yourself of the experience of true fun. It is you who will go through life strangely imcomplete and lacking true happiness. You will try to live your happiness through the lives of your children, all the while pushing them into the viscious cycle you yourself could not escape. If you can get this worked up over a game, just imagine what how you'll deal with the real delimmas you'll undoubtedly face sometime in your lives. Jobs/careers, layoffs, breakups, deaths, mortgages etc...

You should evauluate your lives and your definition therein of "fun", because that's what this game is all about, wether it be version 1.03 or 9.64, so sit back relax and enjoy the simple things in life, like getting lucky and accidentally killing an opponent online with a move you never intended to make!


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Old 05-29-2002, 05:35 PM   #31
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Artifex and others are claiming that this new patch 1.03 takes away from the competitive players and ruins the game for them. I ask you, this is a computer GAME right, not an olympic sport?

WEBSTER'S Defines Game as:

game (gâm), -n 1.an amusement or pastime 2. the apparatus employed in playing any of certain games 3. a contest for amusement in the form of a trial of chance, skill, or endurance, according to set rules 4. a single contest at play, or a definite portion of play 5. the number of points required to win a game 6.a particular manner or style of playing a game 7. a proceeding carried on like a game 8. a trick; strategy 9. fun; sport of any kind 10 wild animals, including birds and fishes, such as are hunted or taken for food or profit

etc... the rest of the definitions have to do with the wild animal and hunting themes

the ongoing theme here is fun and/or amusement. You purchased a game just as everyone else here did. By definition, we expect to have fun with this game. Instead you would rather define your existence with the statistics you acquire playing this game. You have lost site of what it is this product was designed for... fun.

If you believe that it is only fun to acquire points/frags/wins, then you will lead a most disappointing lifetime. You can't always win, and if you base your happiness off winning, then you will find yourself amongst some serious bouts of depression within your lifetime. You do realize you could still win, with every aspect of this game nerfed, but it would take a little (or a lot) longer?That is unacceptable to you. You must acquire points/frags/wins as fast as possible and accumulate enough to keep your "cyber status" of uber-coolness. Why is this? Is it because your reality is out of your control and not as you'd like it, so you find something that you CAN control and slowly base your happiness on that reality, and if someone came along and changed things to where your amount of control waivers or even diminishes you become indignant and/or aggressive to the point of elitism?

We as a gaming community want to have fun, of course this is why Raven & Lucasarts released Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast as just that: a game. Perhaps if it was released as a Job, career, utility, weapon, tool etc. you could justify the amout of complaining and vocalized bashing you have spewn forth, and rightly so. THose devices are meant for more serious and exact apllications. However, games are meant for fun. Sometime I wonder if you guys can even say that word without twitching and/or falling to the floor convulsing madly.

I, for one and as many others have mentioned, can have fun when being struck down by a player in all their ass-fighting glory. I can get a kick out teh many ways I've died. I have fun learning from my mistakes and those of others. But I sense that you base your existance on your ability to amass large scores, maybe even your self worth, therefor stripping the game of it's inherent "fun factor". It becomes nothing more than war waged on each other. The kind of war that to the winners goes the spoils of status. It becomes a mental drain, an obcession to prove yourself to those noobies or unknowingly wander into your self-proclaimed crusade and to continue your dominance over those you've sent packing before.

Why else wuld you need "instant" kills, If not to acquire large amounts of score as quickly as possible? You simply ignore the fun aspect and begin your crusade to control that which has replaced the reality which you can't control, all the while ruining it for those who have come to experience fun with a game that delivers 3D immersion and a Star Wars atmosphere.

Shame on you for ruining the community, and discouraging noobies from darkiening our doorway! Shame on you for attempting to single-handedly muddy a software developing companies good name by rash and judgemental verbal bashings! But most of all, I feel sorry for you that you would rob yourself of the experience of true fun. It is you who will go through life strangely imcomplete and lacking true happiness. You will try to live your happiness through the lives of your children, all the while pushing them into the viscious cycle you yourself could not escape. If you can get this worked up over a game, just imagine what how you'll deal with the real delimmas you'll undoubtedly face sometime in your lives. Jobs/careers, layoffs, breakups, deaths, mortgages etc...

You should evauluate your lives and your definition therein of "fun", because that's what this game is all about, wether it be version 1.03 or 9.64, so sit back relax and enjoy the simple things in life, like getting lucky and accidentally killing an opponent online with a move you never intended to make!


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You posted it twice, and it made twice as little sense.

Tennis is a game, it's also a sport.

Quake is a game, it's also a sport.

Soccer is a game, it's also a sport.

A sport for MONEY. Cash prizes are common to all three above. The odd one out? Quake. It's a computer game. But it's also a competitive sport with hefty prize money in certain tournaments. I love it when people drag out a dictionary definition for nothing.


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Old 05-30-2002, 03:48 PM   #33
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lol, I love that too


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Dark begger, stop shadowboxing and putting arguments in my mouth and in everyone's else.

I ALDREADY stated why i don't like the backstab, and i think i must've stated it at least 10 times now. I also proposed several solutions to it. Don't you think something is wrong with it? If backstab was removed what would then be spammed? I don't know, nor care, but i'd rather see a frontal attack be spammed than a backwards. And i'd rather see someone's face than his butt (though that rodian butt is quite cute IMO).

Also, I realize that you haven't read all of my posts, but (surprisingly) my opinion on 1.03 has changed. And it wasn't because I played 1.03 more, but rather because of the fine articulate people in here. But you, dark begger, haven't changed my opinion on 1.03, because you have a very hostile way of "argueing". Calm down for heavens sake.

Yes, I haven't played much 1.02, but i knew the moment that i started my first botmatch that this was just like jk1. Not boring in itself, but it could be so much more, if you catch my meaning. Raven is trying hard to make it better, but they need help. Posting in these forums in a polite, thoughtful manner helps them. But screaming aloud and cursing does not.

And of cause it's my OPINION. The way you're describing it, it sounds like i'm a serial killer or that the way i post somehow limits your god-given right to speak freely.

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Old 05-30-2002, 04:43 PM   #35
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"Godammit you people are brickheads! "

-posted by our very own cjais...


You were telling me to be calm, and argue in an 'articulate' manner. I would advise you to take the time to figure this out YOURSELF, before you are so quick to judge me.


I played JK1, and JK2 1.02 was COMPLETELY different than JK1...you must have gone online into some server with BGJ duel map running and didn't actually watch the fights...I don't know..but IMO, JK2 1.02 was nothing like JK1...

ok, well here's some things YOU said to me:

1)"because you have a very hostile way of "argueing". Calm down for heavens sake. "

2)"

Posting in these forums in a polite, thoughtful manner helps them. But screaming aloud and cursing does not. "

Now here's what you said to me in ANOTHER post:

1) "Godammit you people are brickheads!
No one is going to change your opinion on anything, since you're all so stubborn. Go back to your cave of grumpiness.

The comment about "We have insight. You have NOT" just tells us about how you cannot adapt, and is a silly excuse for slamming a very good idea. And don't give me any elitist crap, this forum is so newbie-hating that it hurts my head to read it. "


Now cjais, my turn to give you some advice, calm down for heavens sake, you should be posting in these forums in a polite, thoughtful manner. Screaming aloud and cursing does not help.
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You posted it twice, and it made twice as little sense.
Haha, that's funny, well done! Did you think that one up all by yourself? OK, are we done being immature 10 yr olds? Forgive me if you really are 10, it's really hard to tell simply by your posts. My computer gliched and I ended up double posting, sorry I messed up your perfect forum experience, maybe we should scream for a patch for the forums that helps make it impossible to double post, that seems more your speed!

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Tennis is a game, it's also a sport.

Quake is a game, it's also a sport.

Soccer is a game, it's also a sport.

A sport for MONEY. Cash prizes are common to all three above. The odd one out? Quake. It's a computer game. But it's also a competitive sport with hefty prize money in certain tournaments. I love it when people drag out a dictionary definition for nothing.
Okay, so you managed to redirect focus to some of our other short-comings as a society to make the first half of my post seem less damaging and even less pertinent. what about the second half, the actual meat-and-potatoes? You know the real question as to what's the driving force behind your costant droning of inhumanities committed against you by Raven and other general shortcomings of the new patch.

Why is it SO important to you to retain some kind of one swing kills or "fast frags"? How does this simple variable equate fun in your minds? Where does this make or break a game? Please be so kind as to share with the rest of us the reasoning behind your perverted need to acquire wins So fast and doing so without requiring much skill!

Oh, and by the way, if money is what makes your world spin 'round, and puts a smile on your face, then that answers some of my questions. And all I can say, if that is the case, is good luck, let me know what it is like to have happiness within arms reach but never getting there and never figuring out why!


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Hehe, you got me there begger...

Yes, i called you a brickhead, but I won't delve any deeper into what you've called other people.

I contradicted myself there, and I'm sorry.... I guess you're not.

Please find some other posts where i lost my temper, and please adress my other points.

I'm not your personal punching bag for christs sake.
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Tennis is a game, it's also a sport.

Quake is a game, it's also a sport.

Soccer is a game, it's also a sport.

A sport for MONEY. Cash prizes are common to all three above. The odd one out? Quake. It's a computer game. But it's also a competitive sport with hefty prize money in certain tournaments. I love it when people drag out a dictionary definition for nothing. --------------------------------------

What he's saying is that those things are all games, and many people take them seriously and have careers in them. There is nothing wrong with taking a game seriously, if you think there is, then go find another society to live in where people don't..I'm sure Africa has some places..although they love soccer also...so guess not.


And as for why is it important to have 1 hit kills?

Well let me put it this way, next time, take a knife, and put it through your body into your left chest...all the way in. Let's see if you live.

Ok ok...I understand how some people want fun over realism, but the way I brand fun, and I'm sure others too..is when you play the game, you think that at any moment you could be sliced down by a light saber and die. if the 1 hit kills were taken out...then that sense of danger is gone. I am not saying 1 hit kills should dominate the game, but should be present to insert a sense of caution to the players during a duel. The 'I may die on the next hit' thrill of setting up your next attack is great, and inevitably 'fun'.

As to yoru comment of not requiring much skill, I bet you that a new found 1 hit kill user (new assfighter..) won't do nearly as well as a skilled backstab user (usually not ass fighters..but do a last minute turn and slice kind of deal..). The move requires skill, and also requires skill to dodge it. if you are telling me you are dying to no skill 1 hit users, then obviously your skill level is not really as high as you believe it is?
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I usually try not to make personal attacks at any one person, but sometimes I just lose my temper when someone attacks me, and that's why I attack back. The post where I responded with the snide remark about his mother was out of line, but I don't understand how his post helped in anyway. He was just trying to attack me. I guess I over defend myself at times, which I am sorry, but somtimes it can't be helped.

But I still keep my stance on 1.02 and 1.03. lol
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