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Old 06-02-2002, 09:32 PM   #1
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Why the game sucks.

I'll make this as short as possible , there are enough "essays" and diatribes from people on their thoughts.

-Force powers are not balanced. It should be a strategic choice in which powers you choose. Every force power should have an advantage and a disadvantage.

-Backstab is necessary to top the board. This move needs some sort of a penalty to prevent spamming.

-Lightsaber feels like a whiffleball-bat. Reducing the damage of the lightsaber was not a good idea. By default it should be like 1.02 with an optional setting to lower the damage for those FEW that like drawn out fights.

-There is no developer to community communication. Everyone has been posting here for WEEKS with no feedback. Seriously, it only takes 1 minute to look at the board and see how upset everyone is. A single sticky post from the developers acknowledging the complaints would reduce the pleas for change by 10 fold.

-The chances of a new patch making things better is quite slim, in addition any new gameplay imbalances will probably go weeks and weeks without change or even comment.

I see no hope for this game for at least 3 months.

/sad.
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Old 06-02-2002, 09:48 PM   #2
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Just die.....


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 10:35 PM   #3
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I agree with Kal

I agree with Kal....

Gandmaster...i have a plan for you. if this game isnt going to last 3 months, beat the crowds and QUIT, and dont post messages on this forum. I have a feeling Ive heard what youve said a few times before.......so just shut the hell up. im really sick of your bitching. Go play Quake.
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Old 06-02-2002, 10:38 PM   #4
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Many people are bitching. This is just +1 to them. They all say the same thing, it is only comprised in a different sentence....


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 10:48 PM   #5
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I have to say that I agree with every said above exceptwith what Grand Master Lee said.

If the game, sucks play another. Sure some things need ajusting, in your view your just expressing your feeling, but having thread after thread saying the same damn thing over and over is pointless.
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Old 06-02-2002, 10:57 PM   #6
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You got it...


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:06 PM   #7
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Originally posted by =SSC=Kal-El
Just die.....
I wouldn't put it that way, but I agree with that sentiment. grandmasterlee, if you don't like the game.. well...
a) Dont play it
b) Dont ruin it for the rest of us. I don't want to hear your whining and I'm sure others would agree with me
c) Give some constructive criticism instead of just saying the game sucks
d) If you dont like it, make a mod. The tools are out now, so there's no reason to say the game "sucks". The ball's in your court now

-Soldier2200
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:09 PM   #8
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Well I just wanted to shorten it up in 2 words. I don't want him to ACTUALLY die...


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:10 PM   #9
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I'm really tired of people getting bashed because they have a negative opinion about the game. Grandmasterlee presented an arguement, rather than just saying "this sux0rz". There is a difference between that and bitching. If you fail to see it, ok whatever.

We've all paid good money for this game, if it isnt meeting our expectations we have the right to be angry. I cant speak for the rest of you, but I don't like throwing away $50.

For every moron that screams, "this sux0rz" theres another who screams back, "stfu quit bitching! die!". Idiots outnumber intelligent people in this game 10:1. If you disagree with someone thats cool, but telling them, "whiner! u suck!" only makes you look like an ass. It also doesnt add any weight to your opinion.

Yeah, theres probably 100 other threads written by people who dislike the patch, but theres also 100s of threads written by people who love the patch too. So what? Threads get buried over time. People dont like it when old threads are bumped. So what are people supposed to do? Not talk?
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:11 PM   #10
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You just don't get it do you?


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:19 PM   #11
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Yeah, you're an example of the type of people I'm refering to.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:20 PM   #12
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Can anyone explain to him why we said what we said in the 5-7 posts after the begining of the thread?


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:25 PM   #13
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You're tired of the "bitching". Why not just ignore those people then?
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:25 PM   #14
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Arrrr

Jarek - Haven't I told you to go away on your other threads? Well, I really wasnt kidding. Your "witty banter" is getting kind of old. You sound like a broken record. Please, do it for the kids. Go away. And don't come back.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:28 PM   #15
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He seemes...uninformed...and foolish to post like that, because he just showed how *cough* BEHIND *cough* he is...If I wanted I could slam dunk with the posts he made, however I feel sleepy so I won't bother...


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:29 PM   #16
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LOL, grow up icefox.

Don't start some lame online forum war between us.

Same goes for you Kal-El
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:29 PM   #17
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3rd post and he still doesn't get it.....


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:31 PM   #18
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Sorry...4th...


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:35 PM   #19
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jarek i think some people enjoy trying to make others look bad by trying to demean what they had to say any way possable. supiority complex , they get off on it i. i cannot say for sure but yor wasteing your breath trying reason man
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:41 PM   #20
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Damn....

No one has to make you look bad, Dragon....I think you are the chief, GM, President, God, of that department........Two words, I bet youve heard these all too many times.

LEARN ENGLISH.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:41 PM   #21
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im not sure whats up with what in this whole thin now just fight win die but fight how hard is this


i keep hitting new thread ack
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:52 PM   #22
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can we just sum it up here?

How about: This game sucks. Whiners suck. Non-whiners suck. Everybody else sucks. This thread sucks. DeathDragon's English sucks. This forum sucks. The world sucks.


CLOSE, PLEASE
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:52 PM   #23
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This is actually quite funny hahahaha. You don't see this every day


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:55 PM   #24
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At least we can agree on something.
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Old 06-02-2002, 11:59 PM   #25
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here i am speek to jarke yet everone must take a shot at death ....another fine example of the morons makeing my point for me surely the ironic humor of this hasn't escaped you
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:01 AM   #26
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I'm really tired of people getting bashed because they have a negative opinion about the game
Then don't let them voice a negative opinion.
That's the thing about free speech. It goes both ways. If people are allowed to be negative, then people are allowed to be negative about the negative people. If people are hurt by being torn down, they shouldn't bother speaking.

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We've all paid good money for this game, if it isnt meeting our expectations we have the right to be angry
Yes, but you don't have the right to be repetative and bothersome. No one cares if you dislike the game.

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I cant speak for the rest of you, but I don't like throwing away $50.
Buying video games is throwing away $50 dollars. If you really valued your money, you wouldn't be buying toys.

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Idiots outnumber intelligent people in this game 10:1
Welcome to gaming. Enjoy your stay.

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Yeah, theres probably 100 other threads written by people who dislike the patch, but theres also 100s of threads written by people who love the patch too
"But he started it!!" isn't a valid reason for anything. Neither should have 100s of threads.

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People dont like it when old threads are bumped. So what are people supposed to do?
There are still active threads about the subject, so that argument holds no ground.

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Don't start some lame online forum war between us.
1.) What the hell would an "offline forum war" be?
2.) If you don't like people disagreeing, don't talk.

The reason why people dislike whiners here is because this is a community that PLAYS the game. No one really cares if someone hates the game. It's just annoying.
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:06 AM   #27
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Feel better Xombie?

You kinda changed what I said into youre own twisted version of what I said. In other words, you misunderstood me.
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:07 AM   #28
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I sure do...


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:08 AM   #29
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wow, one of those 1 in 10 intellegent poeple.

Hurrah for Xombie.
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:14 AM   #30
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Fact of the matter is that they both missed the purpose.....


There are only two constants in this world.
1. I kill you.
2. You cry for a lightsabre damage nerf.
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:27 AM   #31
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As I have said in other threads, this game's Force, weapons and lightsaber combat are greatly balanced in comparison to the original JK and MotS, so quit whining. You should be happy with this.


Clarionet, n. An instrument of torture operated by a person with cotton in his ears. There are two instruments that are worse than a clarionet -- two clarionets.
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Old 06-03-2002, 03:44 AM   #32
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You kinda changed what I said into youre own twisted version of what I said
I quoted you directly.

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You kinda changed what I said into youre own twisted version of what I said. In other words, you misunderstood me.
Is that why you refuse to tell me how I misunderstood you? Or is it because I didn't?
Care to follow through? Or just make a BS excuse?
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Old 06-03-2002, 03:50 AM   #33
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Every force power should have an advantage and a disadvantage.
Which, of course, would make no ****ing sense whatsoever in the context of the star wars universe.

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There is no developer to community communication.
Yes, they don't like to toss money out windows. This isn't an MMORPG, there is no garaunteed semi-permanent support.

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Everyone has been posting here for WEEKS with no feedback.
That's because it is a FANSITE FORUM.

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The chances of a new patch making things better is quite slim
Of course, based upon your amazing powers of irrationally negative speculation
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Old 06-03-2002, 04:17 AM   #34
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Originally posted by Xombie

I quoted you directly.


Is that why you refuse to tell me how I misunderstood you? Or is it because I didn't?
Care to follow through? Or just make a BS excuse?
I never "refused" to tell you.
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Old 06-03-2002, 04:53 AM   #35
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Xombie, Since you wanted it so bad, here it is.

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If people are allowed to be negative, then people are allowed to be negative about the negative people.
Thats true, I never said they weren't. But I can say I dont like it. Intresting how you mentioned freedom of speech, cuz thats what I was using

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Yes, but you don't have the right to be repetative and bothersome.
Um, actually I can be repetative and bothersome about it. However, I dont think I was. Once again freedom of speech.

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No one cares if you dislike the game.
OK, now youre just being an *******.

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Buying video games is throwing away $50 dollars. If you really valued your money, you wouldn't be buying toys.
Whatever Mom.

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"But he started it!!" isn't a valid reason for anything.
I never said it was. stop putting words in my mouth.

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There are still active threads about the subject, so that argument holds no ground.
I didnt start this thread.

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1.) What the hell would an "offline forum war" be?
Yeah, there you go being an ******* again. The fact that its "online" is implied. So I guess the word didnt need to be there. I didnt know we were in English 101.

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2.) If you don't like people disagreeing, don't talk.
Dont EVER tell me what to do.

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The reason why people dislike whiners here is because this is a community that PLAYS the game.
Hmm, ok well if you wanna play instead of talk, then why are you here?
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Old 06-03-2002, 06:22 AM   #36
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HEY!

ok, why dosent everyone just shut the f$%^ up for a few! this a forum right? right! are we all adults? i think we are so why dont we start acting like one then! oh yea, i missed the last Ep of Freakazoid! damn! oh well, dexters labatory is on! later all! : P



by the way, i still think O.J. still did it! later






GO FRESNO STATE(i know they suck)
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Old 06-03-2002, 06:36 AM   #37
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Welcome to the JK2 forums. Just ignore these kinds of threads. No fun!
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Old 06-03-2002, 09:05 AM   #38
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superman needs to quit being a prick. the community is saddend.
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Old 06-03-2002, 10:09 AM   #39
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Re: Why the game sucks.

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-There is no developer to community communication. Everyone has been posting here for WEEKS with no feedback. Seriously, it only takes 1 minute to look at the board and see how upset everyone is. A single sticky post from the developers acknowledging the complaints would reduce the pleas for change by 10 fold.
Dude, you are so so so right about this. I think it is so unfair that Raven doesn't respond to us. The tech support forum is loaded with posts from people like me talking about the freezing bug. Mike Gummelt finally read one thread that I started and all he did was ask me to email him. I am not going to email him because there is no reason he can't read all these threads. He doesn't seem to understand that this game freezes for no reason at any time! So I can't just give him specifics in an email; this game freezes or crashes at any time during the game. It either crashes and performs an illegal operation and takes me to a really bright desktop, or the game itself just freezes and I have to restart my computer.

And guys, grandmasterlee is right about the lightsaber. I was starting to get good at this game and now I suck at it with the patch. From day 1 of this game I always stuck to light and medium stances; hell, I can't even do a DFA move so I'm not one of those people.

I think Raven or Lucasarts should get off their lazy asses and start reading every forum and message on this site.
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Old 06-03-2002, 10:43 AM   #40
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I can garauntee you that they're reading the posts here. The guys at Raven make it a point to find and read feedback. Just because they aren't replying doesn't mean they aren't reading.
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