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Old 07-15-2002, 11:10 PM   #241
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I'm a true 1.02 veteran, I currently have the 1.04 installed to test it out.

Me and a friend tried it together and did a couple of tests.
In one of these tests we had a kick Vs. saber duel.
The kicker almost always won, in the end having almost full health.

Later I dueled against another guy who had played 1.03-1.04 intensively. He considered himself to be a experienced player:

My tactic was simple, yellow stance; button pushed in always. Finnish of with yellow special.

It felt to me like zero skill, but guess what: I won with big figures.

Another pathetic thing i have noticed:

This equation happens to me alot, how about you?

red stance+confused and outplayed newbie+perfect hit in his back=



...?


That's right... a BLOCK!


I think I'm going back to 1.02 again....

PS: Flame me and I'll burn you down like an old house!


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Old 07-15-2002, 11:43 PM   #242
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Well u ppl who suck, got ur way again first the 1.02-1.03 saber handling changes now 1.04 u guys want to get rid of kicks. First off kicking is the same as it was in 1.03 just less used in 1.03 cause of the roll+pull. I for one kicked very well in all the patches, and there are counters for it if u have any skills what so ever u might just find em. Quit ur whining like i said b4 and play the damn game, ur ruining this game each time they nerf something else. 1.02 was fine, 1.03 grew on me, 1.04 takes to long to kill and drain is just a pain in the ass now.
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Old 07-16-2002, 12:11 AM   #243
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Well I believe that 1.04 is almost the best version of JKII for a few reasons:[list=1][*]You now need skill(So people won't get tired of JKII as easily)[*]Now Throw Hos can Rule[*]Now you have to be exact[*]The Force and Technique Balance is great(except for a few nerfs on the moves)[*]And Finally, if you don't like it, play a mod[/list=1]
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Old 07-16-2002, 01:49 AM   #244
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Originally posted by GRENDIZER
Actually..... today i played alot of duels by just keeping attack pressed down in blue stance, and sort of trying to keep my enemy within the crosshair.

I lost 18..... I won 42!!!

I 'd say that SUCKS big-time!

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EXACTLY...you need heavy damage...it's a FREAKIN' Light Saber..it cuts you in HALF! Those damage scaled servers are freakin' hard to find...there was only 1 jk2++ server and now it's gone. 1.04 as is, is totally worthless...if they had left damage scale about where it was in 1.03 and just fixed the bugs (not messing up force powers as well)...maybe we'd have a game worth playing
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Old 07-16-2002, 07:00 PM   #245
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1.04 : Two Words....

Suck @55!!!

This patch has got to be the biggest waste of time...

I had actually heard about all the gayness that is is 1.04 and decided I would go test it out. Well I loaded up on a FFA server and hit it with my blue saber. I held the button down and just went through swinging and hacking like a newb. I felt pathetic, but you know what...?? I did well, really well.

Then I decided I would go on a lightning and red saber lunge festival. 2nd place that time.

I think I can safely say we have moved backwards with this patch. Its definately a step in the wrong direction at any rate. Here are my opinions on several things.

Backward moment is now about 75% of your forward movement rate, reverse rolling included. I liked my reverse rolls to get out of the way of things. However this significantly reduces the effectiveness of @55-fighting, even though I love those @55-fighters. Yeah that is right, just keep backing up and let me show you where I put this saber.

Blue saber style gimps are owning on all kinds of different servers. On that note, never seen so many high placed "Padawan"s in my life. All it takes is them holding down attack and running through swinging wildy. Truly sad indeed.

I use pull a lot and even I will say that it is overpowered now. Even with absorb on I was still getting yanked backwards... hello, something is wrong with that.

Being locked into any position for any amount of time is devastating. On that note, Red/Yellow sweep are almost useless(Oh sure they still do damage, but she ain't what she used ta be). Getting tagged 2 or 3 times with a blue saber in the time it takes to complete a red swing is painful.

Also drain power is drastically overpowered now, I personaly think the amount of drain should be commensurate with the amount of force being put into it, like a 1:1 ratio. I could even settle for a 1:1.3, but in its current state combined with lightning you give a distinct advantage to dark force users. You will see a lot more of them on the servers now.

At least they didn't screw with kick, thank god. Not really all that many good kick combos now short of kicking someone off into the void or kick/red lunge though.

No movement during red sweep and the reduction to its power is horrible... I don't want to hear any whining from you blue saber swinging noobs out there either. On one of the servers I play on we violently enforce a no saber = no kill and no text killing policy. I usually don't kick people, but I will if they get bad. But normally I just pull/kick someone who is sabering someone with saber down and a quick red sweep and they were outta my hair. Now I have to tolerate these gimps who are killing ppl with saber down. We actually have to whip out our sabers and go through the lengthy task of killing these fools to proceed with what we were doing, be it gooifing off or dueling. Dueling... there is another good time to use the red sweep to kill gimps getting in the way of duelers. So much for that.

No saber toss during duels = tolerable. I personally used it on certain occasions. But it wasn't a must for me to win.

Lemme see... What else... ???

Ahh yes then there are the bugs. Invisible saber : For anyone who wants to do this its really easy... I figure the more people who know about it and the more people who use it and annoy others the quicker it will get fixed. Also its important for these types of things to be known so that they can be fixed. On that note... Jack your force Saber toss all the way up(make sure you die or respawn so it will take effect). Now whip out your saber, blue style easiest. Toss your saber and as soon as it leaves your hand hold down attack and then release your throw. Keep holding down attack. Now just before the saber comes back to your hand, step to the left a few steps. If done correctly, the saber should be spinning around you. Keep holding down attack and it will keep spinning. Now use your taunt key(WooHooo), while still holding down your attack. Now walk away and go jump off of a cliff, while still holding down your attack. When you die and respawn, while still holding down your attack, you will respawn just a swinging away. Well that is it, release your attack(at long last). Put your saber away and you can now run up to ppl and simple get close and your invisible saber will tag them for 20 points of damage or thereabouts. Pretty simple huh...

Also they need to fix our colors as well.

Well that pretty much ends my rather lengthy post. Other than saying this patch pretty much sucked the life out of the game. I will play on it for a while and see what other gripes / complaints / positive notes(there weren't many) I can come up with.

That said... may the force be with all the noobs, after all they own the servers now.

Saber Proctologist & The Nasty Wookiee(he wanted me to tag his sig on here as well since he plays on my machine )

"Just keep backing that big ole @55 up and I will shove my saber so far down where the sun don't shine it will take an oral surgeon to get it out!"

EDIT : In case you were wondering what my personal preference was... I "WAS" a red saber style, good force using, absorb that gay @55 lightning, pull/kick, sweeping mofo. And I was damn good at it too. In duels I swapped up a lot though, using mid air blue lunges, red lunges, yellow/red sweeps, etc... I NEVER blue backstabbed in a duel though, that would just be insulting.

Now all i have to do is imitate those that I formerly despised so much and just run through the game in blue saber style while hodling down attack. Maybe I will take an occasional break to heal up by draining all the force, rather quickly I might add, from all the people I run into. Toss the occasional lightning. Or perhaps I will just use some "rage"in cajun style while swinging my blue saber madly to do even more gay damage.

sigh............................

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Old 07-16-2002, 10:14 PM   #246
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After installing the patch, I had a quick FFA game against some top level bots. Within 1 Minute of starting a sabre fight with the bot it was dead and I had jack all damage.

Rather odd I think. The Bot was no challange at all.


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Old 07-17-2002, 04:49 AM   #247
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i said it before and i'll say it agian: if padwan's own you with light spamming, you suck
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Old 07-17-2002, 08:08 AM   #248
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i said it before and i'll say it agian: if padwan's own you with light spamming, you suck
It's true. If a noob beat the hell out of you with any spam, you really just suck. Plain and simple.

Anyone with good footwork and saber combo skills can maul down a noob within seconds of the fight. It's true in 1.04 more noobs are getting their lucky shots in, but anyone that I've played with that has any skills never has problems.

Lots of you are testing this patch out in FFA rooms, which has ALWAYS been about spamming cheap moves over and over to get kills. If you want to consider getting the most frags "winning" the map, then you're obviously missing out on a better game of dueling.

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people who do precise moves are often overwhelmed by random stabbing, and because its so easy to block there is no point. How do i know this... because i have tried going to single more precise moves, unless you mean precise as in doing a barrage of 1-hit kill moves.
You're hitting people in the wrong places or swinging in the wrong direction buddy, there's all kinds of holes in defense of any stance. You're obviously NOT that precise if you can't hit people. If you think sabering require such low skills, that's why you keep getting killed, should go back to "circle strife and rocket jumping" games instead.
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Old 07-17-2002, 08:11 AM   #249
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exactly
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Old 07-17-2002, 01:46 PM   #250
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Ok The new patch has remove the ability to really get to use the saber as an attack weapon on highly competitive CTF ladder. If you think not? then simply join the ladder and scrim one of the top 5 clans at www.teamwarfare.com and you will see for youself that there is noway you can use sabers to do anyting but to defend agains some weapons. I changed my force config to have now only light saber attack and level 3 defense .. throw at nothing.. why bother..

I love sabers.. I love force powers. If it wasnt for those two things I would not be playing JO. I am not into quake/unreal. They are just weapon games no real complexity there.

Well Raven is on their way to rename'n their game to something like Quake Knight or Unreal Knight instead of Jedi Knight.

Of course our clan www.bfcarnage.com is having to conform to this new changes and we are. But I feel that the community for high competition is looking for something else now. JK2++ maybe the answer as they beef up the damage a saber uses. Check them out at http://forums.wdonline.com

Also I posted some info on how to Key Bind switching between Light and Dark forces instantly. http://www.lucasforums.com/showthrea...threadid=69857

I figured doing this will help promote the use of JK2++ mod since Raven is clueless.
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Old 07-17-2002, 03:27 PM   #251
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1.04 r0xorzzz omG

dewds what are u guys taklkinb about 1.04 is the best patch Ever!!!
EVEr!!!!!

now i can liek totaly have thoes totaly kewl duels like in the movies ya know??? who Cares about the copmetitive community?? as long as i can have kewl duels with my friends without lamerz like peeple who are g00d and kil me with special moevs its all good because now sabers make lots of sparks and its totaly co0l and pretty its like watching a movie but except u control the actors!!! how kewl is that!!! only problem is that saberz can kill. dewd if u check out the movies, duels always last longer than the 10 minutes it takes now, I say we make it so like saberz do less damage so liek we can make more pretty duels and its ok if it takes longer, because spectators can watch our cool 1337 duels so they won't care if it takes a long tiem




1.04 ROX0RZZZZZZ
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Old 07-17-2002, 03:43 PM   #252
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can you post this again, but in english this time, not geek speak


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Old 07-17-2002, 04:21 PM   #253
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Lol. I just read the topic above this entitled "Anti-patch proclamation." Some guy had just finished ranting on about how he didn't like the patch. Naturally everyone flamed him and called him a geek. I think its a hilarious double-standard that when someone does like the patch, they are still called a geek.

LOL.

Observation:

If you like the patch, you are a geek.
If you hate the patch, you are also a geek.

Hmm...

Conclusion: Don't get the patch unless you want to be a "geek," which is just another way for people to make themselves feel better by tearing someone else down through insulting them with a generalization. Penis envy for all.

Well done community. Really come through this time.
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Old 07-17-2002, 04:34 PM   #254
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nah....

Nah... I use absorb too much, but with combo pull/kick you wind up running low on force at some point. So absorb does drop. I only suffer rarely from gimp lightning kill.
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Old 07-17-2002, 04:52 PM   #255
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I believe he was flamed for the RPG elements he put into his post (The citizens of Coruscant stuff), NOT for the message behind the post.


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Old 07-17-2002, 06:25 PM   #256
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If you like the patch, you are a geek.
If you hate the patch, you are also a geek.
What about those of us who are just indifferent about the patch, hmmm?

Not geeks.
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Old 07-18-2002, 05:57 AM   #257
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new update question

they took out the safe landing bug thinggy?

the thing with the blue stance where if u fall press crouch and attack and u land safely?

noooooo! *falls on his knees all platoon like*
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Old 07-18-2002, 06:39 AM   #258
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Is this what the gamming community has come too? A bunch of whiny little babies bitching and complainging about every little "problem" with a game? Then the develpoers ****ing with the gameplay of a game with patches which are suppose too be used too fix bugs, not change the gameplay too appease morons and whiners. Heres a tip for all you whiners out there: Insted of whining and complaining about every little thing, get some damn skill and learn ways around it. I never bitched about a move a player used, and i loved fighting ass fighters. Too me ass fighter = easy target. I didn't sit there and bitch cuase someone was better then me, i learned and practeced. I learn how my oppenets fight, find thier weaknesses, and exploet them. Hell, i love fighting people better then me, it makes things much more fun. Well i beter make my point before i rant on and on. My point is this: Don't sit and whine ause you don't like the gameplay of a game, stop playing, or shutup. Simple Easy, Done.

Dun bother flamming me for my post, i don't really give a ****, it just proves your own stupidity.

Im out.
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Old 07-18-2002, 07:06 AM   #259
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My only concern with the new patch is saber damage. Increase it for most of the moves which deserve more damage.

But otherwise, the patch is fun to play with, especially in duels.

Team based games like CTF is definitely a no-no for sabers simply cause they deal too little damage.

And finally, people bitch and complain because they are giving opinions to make the game more balanced and better. The fact taht they do this does not mean they should not learn to adapt for now, however.

Also, how is drain so powerful? If I use up my max force as lvl3 drain, I have 3 bars left, you have 4. IMO that's good for drain since it makes it worth it now compared to 1.03. 5 bars and very little health gained. now it's 4 bars left for the opponent and you get a decent amount of health back. IMO dark and light are well balanced now.

Dark needs to get in close to get back health but it can sort of stay a ways back using lightning on light players.
Light needs to get in close to deal its damage but runs away for health.

Good patch raven, just need more saber damage. That's it.
The only thing I would ask for more would be newsaber moves-but balance is really good right now, with the exception of sabers vs guns. This would be fixed with increased saber damage.

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Old 07-18-2002, 10:47 AM   #260
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hey myst you can raise saber damage by typing g_saberdamagescale 4 (or 3 or 10 or whatever)
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Old 07-18-2002, 12:26 PM   #261
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Yea, but it's not the same as an actual patch.

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Old 07-19-2002, 02:20 AM   #262
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Since this is the official 1.04 thread I shall gladly tell you all that 1.04 is GARBAGE!

Sabers are more like large Q-tips considering the sad amount of damage they do. Has anyone noticed the picture at the top of every page with Kyle running his saber along the wall. Do you think a saber that melts the metal as he walks should be weak?

The game is still too slow. It should be as quick as 1.02 if not faster.

Most players fight in very similar ways because there are not enough feasible options for them to pick from.

The stupid notion that "nerfing" and weakening moves is the way to balance the game remains. I thought 1.03 would have taught us all a lesson but it did not.

If you have a search engine that tracks servers and players please compare your numbers for the next couple of months. I have been watching the numbers and they are dropping agani just as they did when the first patch came out.

I find it hard to call this a fix if everytime they "fix" something they lose another chunk of the community. Had they stayed with 1.02 and touched nothing there would be more people playing today.

Thanks

PS if you are going to tell me I am wrong please do not say anything along the lines of

"if you don't like it don't play" - this is an idiotic statement to make being that we all realize that what is said here shapes the next patch.


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Old 07-19-2002, 04:28 AM   #263
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OMG! ive only just realised that this patch has been released!!

I suppose that teaches me for not visiting the valley for ages!

What change has happened to Force Grip?


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Old 07-19-2002, 06:04 AM   #264
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while I think upping the saber damage on servers would help, the problem is most of the public servers out there run the "vanilla" settings, i.e. the default ones. It's great if you play on the same boxes and know the admins, but if you're used to publics, it might take awhile for the admins to making the changes (if they do it at all)...

for those of you who HAVE tried upping the damage scale, what are your thoughts? I tried it on my buddy's box (saberdamagescale 2), and it was pretty intense... two clean hits in red always kills your opponents, which makes for truly skilled since wildly whacking away at a patient opponent guarantees death! however, what do the rest of you think? I know some of you will be leery of this change because in effect it makes most of the saber attacks "1 hit kills", but I truly believe it requires more skill to fight this way since you have to choose your attacks carefully... and besides, for all of you who have been clamouring for duels "like the movies", well brother, this is most like the movies since anytime a character was hit directly with a lightsaber, bad stuff invariably happened:

TPM: Qui-Gon impaled by Darth Maul's backstab
TPM: Obi-Wan cuts Darth Maul in half with a clean swipe
AOTC: Obi-Wan cuts Zam Wessel's arm off in the nightclub
AOTC: Darth Tyrannus maims Obi-Wan (and those were just nicks!)
AOTC: Darth Tyrannus chops half of Anakin's right arm off
ANH: Obi-Wan cuts off Ponda Baba's arm in Mos Eisley Cantina
ANH: Darth Vader kills Obi-Wan in the Death Star
TESB: Luke cuts off the Wampa's arm on Hoth
TESB: Luke grazes Vader (it was a glancing blow and the armour took most of the damage but he was pissed)
TESB: Vader cuts off Luke's right hand
ROTJ: Luke goes ape-sh!t on Jabba's barge and kills a whole whack of gangsters (all with one hit)
ROTJ: Luke chops of Vader's hand

sorry for the length but the point is, if you like movie-style fights, well, most ended up being "1-hit kills"... I kinda strayed off topic...

my final 2 cents: the patch isn't THAT bad, I hated it at first, I still don't like the length of the fights, I'm still decent, but playing for too long gives me sore mouse hand and saber only boards are kind of a joke now because of the lengthiness of duels...

too guys who say they can annihilate any "wildly-swinging newb", please list your handle, I'm always up for a challenge and I have some points I'd like to prove
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Old 07-20-2002, 11:10 AM   #265
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i play as ryudom or, ^1ryu^7dom if that makes any differance when searching. have icq? play on zone? i also have points i'd like to prove
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Old 07-21-2002, 02:15 AM   #266
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So how long do saber battles last with the damage up?
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Old 07-21-2002, 07:33 AM   #267
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to technobot:

I play with saberdamagescale at 2 myself and I love it. It does make it just like the movies. I don't see why there would be a problem with the 1 hit kill thing you are talking about since the DFA the BS and the medium finisher are one hit kills even without the damagescale. I also like it at two because it takes skill. I can wait and get one good hit with red stance in, then switch to yellow and finish the player off. to me it plays like 1.02 but you don't have the "cheating" that 1.02 had with the DFA. It wasn't really cheating, but i do remember feeling cheated when i would get killed by a DFA when the move was finished and the guys saber was in the ground. Now i let him do his little DFA or whatever he wants to do and I run in while he's on the ground and show him who's boss.

the saberdamagescale also solves the unbalance with sabers and guns in CTF and FFA's. I wish more servers would adopt this change. I play mostly on the zone or by IP because my clan choses to and we have been using saberdamagescale and the jedimod for a while now and we love it.

thats just my two cents.


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Old 07-22-2002, 01:58 PM   #268
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havent really timed them....maybe a minute, less if you are good at making those 2 hits connect....no more 5 minute battles i can tell you that!


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Old 07-23-2002, 04:57 AM   #269
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[i]too guys who say they can annihilate any "wildly-swinging newb", please list your handle, I'm always up for a challenge and I have some points I'd like to prove [/B]
my handle is Deimos

most of the time I'm on the dark duel servers. I'm always down for a good duel.

you can check here if I'm on or not
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Old 07-23-2002, 08:59 AM   #270
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what the hell kinda fights do you guys play?? 5 minutes 10 minutes???? how do you get it that long?? my duels are no longer then 2-3 minutes probalby with normal saber damage. with g_saberdamagescale 3 it takes about about 10-30 seconds
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Old 07-23-2002, 02:54 PM   #271
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what the hell kinda fights do you guys play?? 5 minutes 10 minutes???? how do you get it that long?? my duels are no longer then 2-3 minutes probalby with normal saber damage. with g_saberdamagescale 3 it takes about about 10-30 seconds
yea, my battles before saberdamagescale would take about 5 minutes. now i think about it do agree that 10-30 seconds is a better estimate for damagescale being set to 3. i use 2 mostly, probably why mine take a little bit longer, but yea, before it was about 4-5 minutes....no wonder i like saberdamagescale


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Old 07-23-2002, 03:40 PM   #272
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what the hell kinda fights do you guys play?? 5 minutes 10 minutes???? how do you get it that long?? my duels are no longer then 2-3 minutes probalby with normal saber damage. with g_saberdamagescale 3 it takes about about 10-30 seconds
I think they're just exagurating (sp)

I did have 2 fights that was over 3 minutes because of similar footwork and skills. Everything else I remember was under 2 tops.
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Old 07-29-2002, 01:12 PM   #273
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do you need to get 1.03 (or lower) befor you get 1.04??
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Old 07-31-2002, 03:12 AM   #274
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Upping the saber damage does not solve the problem, because the real problem is SHIELDS.... why the hell did raven put this in??? You don't see the jedis glowing green all the time in the movies. It feels like they thought ... hmm this is a first person shooter and in such a game there are always these two components: HEALTH and ARMOR... but we will call it shield to make it seem star wars like. Pffff!

The 25 shield points when you spawn makes sense... but shields are what ruin the fights. Plus upping the saber scale will make the specials more lethal and they shouldn't be. Besides it will encourage people to look and run for shields and health even more often with an upped saber damage. I vote for removing shields completely, and while we are at it remove med-kits and bacta canisters too. Then add an option for "natural" healing when crouched... which would mean you had three healing options.
- Drain
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- Crouch and heal

THIS would make saber fights really great... and about te weapons... well I only play saber servers, but I guess the damage on the weapons should be a bit lower... but I don't know really and if I think hard I am sure I don't care much :P
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Old 07-31-2002, 06:04 AM   #275
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My two cents: 1.04 is great. Each patch has improved the game, period.

As for needed improvement areas, the problem ISN'T saber damage levels, it's how the blocking system works with lag. It really needs something done to it as it's causing all this uber-blocking behavior that people are blaming on the saber damage level. Tweak the code, not the damage!

And, Canis_Aureus it's easy to remove the health packs and shields as is! It's just a console command. No point removing it for everyone when you can just remove it for yourself.

And lighting, you don't need 1.03 before you up to 1.04.


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Old 07-31-2002, 06:07 AM   #276
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And lighting, you don't need 1.03 before you up to 1.04.
thanks razorace
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Old 07-31-2002, 09:59 AM   #277
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You're welcome.


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Old 08-04-2002, 01:21 AM   #278
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This patch sucks and its you stupid noobs that ruined the game with your complaining. Why dont you go play a safer game like super mario brothers you pathetic people make me sick. You brought this upon us


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Old 08-04-2002, 10:16 AM   #279
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^^^ wrong. this patch is good, but you need something called "skill". might be kind of a foreign word to some people, but you might want to look it up
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Old 08-23-2002, 12:33 AM   #280
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Absolutely months after the games realease this pointless jabbering about the patches continues. If you like it then play it if you don't then... well do whatever. Go start a library, or help your mother paint the house. Maybe you could start origami. I hate the patch and since I came to terms with the fact that it won't get any better for me, I discovered a wealth of interesting activities. Such as drawing, exercise and kicking little children. Don't let this game get you all pent up, go do something relaxing... don't take your pants off though.
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