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Old 08-06-2002, 11:42 PM   #1
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Question Was 'Greedo shooting first' George Lucas' worst idea?

Was 'Greedo shooting first' George Lucas' worst idea?

Ok so what are your thoughts? Can you think of something in Star Wars worst than chaging a scene that didn't need changing and making it look ridiculous.
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Old 08-06-2002, 11:45 PM   #2
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No, I can think of something worst...







...does anyone know who...Jar Jar Binks is???!!!


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No, I can think of something worst...


...does anyone know who...Jar Jar Binks is???!!!



Yes I would of argeed, but seeing Ep II, I realised that Jar-Jar had an important role
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Old 08-06-2002, 11:55 PM   #4
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I guess he did...but that sort of comdey should have been spared from something as phenomonal as Star Wars.


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Old 08-07-2002, 12:20 AM   #6
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One word posts are evil Arkumlol, j/k...

There was no mention of a gungan creature who elected Palpatine in the original films, so Lucas could have picked anyone or anything...why did it have to be Jar Jar?


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So JarJar could be executed later for his mistakes




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Old 08-07-2002, 12:39 AM   #8
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jar jar flips his lid lid and gets killed by a storming mob of jedi and sith who join forces just to kill him.hahaha


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Old 08-07-2002, 01:22 AM   #9
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How is this even important? So Greedo shot first in the SE. So what?


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Old 08-07-2002, 01:56 AM   #10
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a) he either tried to make solo look like the good guy

b) censors or animal rights or WHICHEVER people told lucas to change it like that.....


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Old 08-07-2002, 01:57 AM   #11
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No, I can think of something worst...







...does anyone know who...Jar Jar Binks is???!!!
and screw that

.....does anyone know who... JAKE LLOYD IS???????


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Old 08-07-2002, 02:03 AM   #12
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the best thing was casting natile portman

and does it matter that greedo shot first he was going to die anyways. i guess it was to prove what type of person is han.
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Old 08-07-2002, 02:19 AM   #13
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i think it looks better when greedo shoots first. Cuz Han moves his head cuz.....uhh....he's cool......and his son is a jedi. Anyways George knows he made a mistake putting Jar Jar in Ep 1 so he made the part very small for Ep 2. Sux for Ahmed Best!


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Old 08-07-2002, 02:25 AM   #14
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I think taking out the max rebo band and putting in that fraggle-rock looking band in ROTJ S.E. was a pretty bad idea.


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Old 08-07-2002, 08:28 AM   #15
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But how could a Bounty Hunter be such a bad shot?!
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Old 08-07-2002, 10:45 AM   #16
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Greedo shooting first was a bad idea. It even looks bad on film. I dunno why George Lucas was trying to make Han Solo look like such an angel. He was a smuggler for petes sake with a price on his head, he is looking out only for himself. As the trilogy progresses Han Solo's character matures over time. It is better to meet Han Solo as the selfish smuggler who becomes a more mature person looking out for others throughout the trilogy. But no! GL had to change to make Han Solo fire the second shot so he will be a better role model

I think the Ewoks were a worse idea however. If GL had used wookies instead it would have made ROTJ 35.565% better.


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Old 08-07-2002, 03:57 PM   #17
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i agree wholeheartedly with darth lando, the ewoks were a major mistake. but i think that the absoulte stupidest thing GL did was.............. (drumroll please)..................... EPISODE ONE!!!! (this is just my opinion please do not flame me for having a thought) ok not ALL the movie sucked, but most of it really blew. the saber scene at the end and a few choice moments inside a kiddy movie full of stupid animals and crappy actors (jar jar and anakin mostly). GL could have made such a cooler movie by just adding a bit more action and killing jar jar, and alas the most important getting a better casting director for Anakin.


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Old 08-07-2002, 03:57 PM   #18
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How is this even important? So Greedo shot first in the SE. So what?
The difference is, in the original, Han murdered Greedo. In the SE he killed Greedo in self defence. That is a huge difference in the character development.

For some fun about the whole thing, check out this page, The Greedo Assissination Conspiracy Page.
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Old 08-07-2002, 04:05 PM   #19
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I dont see why people dont like greedo shooting first I realy dot care if he did or didnt hes dead now so....
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Old 08-07-2002, 04:13 PM   #20
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Of course he's dead either way, but now the story has changed. What if Luke had killed Vader and the Emperor? They'd both be dead either way, but the story would be changed.

It makes a big difference in the way you percieve Han Solo. Everyone who grew up with the original now gets to see Solo get pussified. Maybe it doesn't matter to you because you didn't grow up seeing the orginal? I could then understand how changing the story wouldn't matter to you, as you never knew the original story.
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I saw the origional tons of time before the special edition came out and I dont care who shot first greedo would have shot him if he didnt shoot first in the origional so who cares its a small 2 second change it dosent matter
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Old 08-07-2002, 05:11 PM   #22
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In defense of Anakin in Ep I, he is only nine. As GL said, finding an actor of that age who could give an oscar-winning performance is impossible (apart from perhaps Haley Joel Osment).
In my opinion, Mark Hamill performance in ANH wasn't that great, but in no way did it diminish the quality of the film, and thats how I feel about Ep I
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Hammil suxxored a lot, but I don't think in the history of cinematography was there a worser actor then the kid in EP1.....

I still get the shivers from that acting performace....

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Old 08-07-2002, 05:54 PM   #24
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i really dont get it. Jake Llyod, i think, did a great job as Arnold Swarzeneggar's son in Jingle All The Way. Yes that was him. And there he was only 7 or 8. I think one of the major reasons Jake sucked so bad was because GL cant direct worth ****!


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i agree with jar jar being horrible.

i think he was made to terrify us all.
now i have him to worry about along with blood thirsty ewoks comming at me


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Old 08-07-2002, 07:13 PM   #26
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Jesus, wether or not you care, it still changes it. Two seconds or not.

This happens during the first time that we see Han Solo in the movie. So, what do we learn of Han Solo when we first see him? That he's reluctant to take Obi and his crew with him, and that he murders bounty hunters that come after him for money he owes Jabba. That's called character development. This is how you are meant to percieve Solo, your first impressions of him.

Of course, the whole of the story is really unchanged. Greedo gets killed there either way. But the act of murdering a debt collector because you disagree is seen as a barbaric act. It's a quick way to show the audience what Solo is all about. Then, as the trilogy progresses, you get to see Solo and his redemption, rising above the life of a mere smuggler who only helps himself, to helping the rebellion overthrow the empire. Now, if you take out the part where Solo is a somewhat shady character, you lose that whole bad to good thing. And the story, concerning Han Solo, has been changed.


Oh, and Greedo didn't meet with Solo to kill him, he was trying to get Jabba's money. Or some sort of payment. I think Jabba might have had him kill Solo if he couldn't get the money, but I find that hard to believe. Because, if someone owes you money, and you kill them.....well, you don't get the money back.
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Old 08-08-2002, 03:24 AM   #27
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The difference is, in the original, Han murdered Greedo. In the SE he killed Greedo in self defence. That is a huge difference in the character development.
last time I checked, shooting someone who has you at gunpoint isn't murder. It was still self defence even in the original, greedo even told Han he was gonna die.
The fact that greedo shoots first in the SE doesn't change anything, it just looks more stupid.


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I have to watch the movie again b/c I didnt see greedo shoot at all.


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Old 08-08-2002, 04:55 AM   #29
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how could you not see it? make sure this time you put
"ANH SPECIAL EDITION" in your vcr cause I dont know what the hell you were watching but if you couldn't see greedo shoot, then it wasn't the movie we're talking about.


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Old 08-08-2002, 05:49 AM   #30
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Han Solo was never really bothered with Greedo. He brushed him off with excuses two times before the confrontation in the cantina. Greedo was young and new to bounty hunting. And he was frustrated with the fact that he couldn't get Solo to take him seriously, let alone pay up. So Solo killed him, an easy solution to stop Greedo from pestering him. I doubt that Solo took any of Greedo's threats seriously, as he dismissed offhandedly twice before. Greedo shooting first did change something, or else it wouldn't have been put in the SE. And I doubt it was to make it look more stupid.


Killing someone who you do not percieve as a threat, and just to stop them from hasseling you further, is murder to me. The last time you checked, you didn't check with me. So don't give me some offhand remark contradicting my belief. Maybe you could give me source for the 'last time you checked'. I'd also like to know how I too can 'check' on my own views of morality. That way, the next time I post my opinion, I won't have you come and tell me that my beliefs are wrong. I strive to be right in your eyes.
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oh here we go, another EU die hard ranting on and on about how he knows about greedo's past. Listen, I dont take into account greedo's EU situation. This is not an issue of morality, so don't make it one. It's an issue of canon, and until you realize that we cant bring up the EU while arguing about the movies, then we will never settle this.


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Old 08-08-2002, 06:13 AM   #32
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I think the whole anti-racism thing in ep1 was the worst think lucas ever did.
What I mean is:
The nabooians thinking they are soo much better than the gungans, then realise Hey!! they're not so bad after all.
Just think about it:
Ep1 without the gungans

A real ep2 style ground battle (both sides have blasters).
No kid talking.
No jarjar binks.
Maybe even some jedis that help the naboo during the battle.
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You assume everything. First telling me what I believe, now labeling me EU die hard.

Alright, not refering to EU then. But the only reference I made to it was "two times before" and "twice before". Take them out and the rest is still what I believe from watching the movie. Those two lines hardly changed my post. I believe that Solo didn't take Greedo seriously. From watching the movie, I believe that Solo was giving Greedo excuses. I didn't try and make this an issue about morality, I simply used that word as a synonym. When you said mine was wrong. Also, I was unaware that this was an issue of cannon. Maybe you could elaborate.

My post concerning this matter, and my issue, is that I feel it changes the way Han Solo is percieved, and thus changing the character development. As is what I've said in my prior posts, I've just been elaborating why I think so.

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It's simply me posting wether I think it was a good idea to change it to Greedo shooting first, the reasons I think it wasn't, and then you telling me that my belief is wrong.
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if you bring up EU stuff on greedo on and solo's past, then i'll "assume" you read the EU. tell me this, where did you read all that stuff about greedo? cause I didnt see it in the movie.


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I meant the assume part when you said this
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Different then just 'reading the EU'

Anyways, the stuff I said about the two times before I got from here. Doing a web search hardly warrants the above quoted material.
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Never seen it, but Howard The Duck would have to easily be his worst work ever, and from everything you hear would make everything in Star Wars pure gold............


Hang on, isn't it any way..


The difference between shooting second or first shows a totally different characteristic of Han Solo. To shot first, is to take things into his own hands, be in control of his destiny, to let someone take the shot first shows that Han isn't as carefree as we are made to believe, that he isn't that good of a smuggler, since he doesn't have a quick draw.
The original ANH shows more of the stupidity of Greedo, his arrogance, to ignore the signs of where Hans hands were, that Han was too quick and smart for him. Now it makes it look like no matter how much time Han has to get that gun out to shoot, he still doesn't get it off first.


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I think it was cooler when Han blasted him away in the first edition of the movie. It added a certain element of danger to Han's Character, IMO However I can still think of worse. Sad as it may seem Lucas was responsible for Howard the Duck.
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Why have everyone a problem with Jar-Jar?? If you, don't like him, just ignore him, damit, is it really that hard??

So what if the gungans talk a little strange!


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Why have everyone a problem with Jar-Jar?? If you, don't like him, just ignore him, damit, is it really that hard??

So what if the gungans talk a little strange!
I know right? And nobody ever makes fun of the Jawas? And then there is the Ewoks.........man don't get me started.
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