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Old 08-12-2002, 09:06 PM   #41
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No need to apologize man. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to read this thread and post your opinion. While we differ in opinion I value the ideas that spawn from debating those with a opposing view points.

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Old 08-13-2002, 11:30 AM   #42
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lol, saber damage was cut back a LOT. That's what brings out the long drawn out fights that take forever to finish. I am not quite sure of why they did this, maybe because people complained about dying too often and too fast to heavy..but I think that's the way it should be. Nice fast and clean fight where every hit counts greatly, and everyone is more cautious. The stuff they put out in 1.03 ALLOWED ass fighting...it has come to the point where you can stand backwards and block? hit? its pretty stupid. I feel 1.02 was their best job, and hopefully Raven will realize this. but then again, others have their own opinion.


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Old 08-13-2002, 12:20 PM   #43
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The lowered damage is only half the problem. The other half was the insane amount of autoblocking. I'm reminded of my 1.03/1.04 tests where i could place my player's back against a corner and have an opponent using light style kill himself on my stationary saber while attacking me. I actually proved this online to one naysayer by going AFK for 2 minutes while he tried to kill me, and to no avail.

As far as the assfighting goes, the fact that you could turn your back and swing, hitting everything behind you with no regard for your opponents' defenses was pretty stupid.

1.04 just took this and turned it on its head. It made the backstabs/sweeps so blockable that you opponent had to be actively attacking or have his back turned towards you. How ludicrous is it to try to kill someone with their back turned towards you by turning your own back to them?

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lol, saber damage was cut back a LOT. That's what brings out the long drawn out fights that take forever to finish. I am not quite sure of why they did this, maybe because people complained about dying too often and too fast to heavy..but I think that's the way it should be. Nice fast and clean fight where every hit counts greatly, and everyone is more cautious. The stuff they put out in 1.03 ALLOWED ass fighting...it has come to the point where you can stand backwards and block? hit? its pretty stupid. I feel 1.02 was their best job, and hopefully Raven will realize this. but then again, others have their own opinion.


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Old 08-13-2002, 02:34 PM   #44
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My only problem is when someone blocks a hit from directly behind them.

The least they could have done is added some kind of behind the back block animation, but its just lame period.

I kind of like the the small blocking arc in front idea. right now the blocking arc is like 360 degrees.

I see *******s who stand and defend just to annoy others.
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Old 08-13-2002, 02:39 PM   #45
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What you're referring to is the reverse of the "hit-from-behind-from-in-front" bug. That's no longer a problem in ProMod.

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My only problem is when someone blocks a hit from directly behind them.

The least they could have done is added some kind of behind the back block animation, but its just lame period.

I kind of like the the small blocking arc in front idea. right now the blocking arc is like 360 degrees.

I see *******s who stand and defend just to annoy others.


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Old 08-13-2002, 02:43 PM   #46
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What you're referring to is the reverse of the "hit-from-behind-from-in-front" bug. That's no longer a problem in ProMod.

You seem to be working Overtime at selling your Mod. Have I bought a car from you? You seem familiar.

lol

Anyway Artifex I am glad you are once again active in this community. I will try your Mod Tonight and post my review as soon as I am familiar enough with it.

I have no doubt that you have done a great job being that few know this game inside and out as well as you do.


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Old 08-13-2002, 04:06 PM   #47
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sounds like an interesting mod. make an official thread for it and post us a link here. We don't want to hijack this thread.


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Old 08-13-2002, 10:47 PM   #48
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What you're referring to is the reverse of the "hit-from-behind-from-in-front" bug. That's no longer a problem in ProMod.

I know I know.

Man you have been plugging that thing hard.

Don't worry most hardcore saberists will probably try it.

My only reservation is I have disagreed with many of your past Ideas on how to imrove the game/ what was wrong with the game(in past versions).

But anyway when I finally give in and signup for Fileshack I'll try it out :P
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Old 08-13-2002, 11:14 PM   #49
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I know I know.

Man you have been plugging that thing hard.

Don't worry most hardcore saberists will probably try it.

My only reservation is I have disagreed with many of your past Ideas on how to imrove the game/ what was wrong with the game(in past versions).

But anyway when I finally give in and signup for Fileshack I'll try it out :P
Artifex's Mod has removed any luck form the game. It lets you block and it lets you use any saber stance you are good at to great effect.

This is just plain skill. 1.04 has a buggy blocking system that leaves a lot to chance.

The concept is simple. Everything you get is 100% earned. NOTHING is given to you.


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Old 08-13-2002, 11:34 PM   #50
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Ok, less pluging, more on subject.


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Old 08-14-2002, 12:03 AM   #51
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Ok, less pluging, more on subject.
Well my whole point was the blocking and ...well I found a mod that corrects it. I had a problem with low saber damage and well it fixed that too.

So the only on subject thing I can think of is, RAVEN please make a patch that plays like this Mod so we can eliminate luck and freebies from the game completely.

I don't mean to praise the Mod but its nice to see someone other then me dislikes a Patch that leaves many things to chance. My Clan is still in 1.02 and will die out if I don't change things to acceptable limits. 1.03 and 1.04 are absolute crap. I needed a step in the right direction and I can only hope that Raven pays attention. Because Mods are nice but a patch makes it official, and my clan would love to crash into these ladders and cut down most teams like a knife thru butter. I don't think anyone really like blocking as it is. I think they like it more then 1.02, but that doesn't mean it right. It is random in many ways and is buggier then the DFA ever was. Time for Raven to nerf their own changes and make this game ONLY depend on player actions. No more blocking systems that do the work for you.

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Old 08-14-2002, 12:32 AM   #52
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OOkkk. We'll talk about the Mod then.

While I see the reasons behind the Mod and desire to add more need for skill to the game, the CSC system reduces the level of "realism". Jedi are able to block attacks from all angles with superhuman reflexes and speed. The CSC system turns all the blocking into circle strafing contest that doesn't have any basis in the movies. Sword fighting...maybe. Movies...no.

In addition, this sounds like it'll make the gun users even more powerful than they already were.


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Old 08-14-2002, 01:37 AM   #53
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OOkkk. We'll talk about the Mod then.

While I see the reasons behind the Mod and desire to add more need for skill to the game, the CSC system reduces the level of "realism". Jedi are able to block attacks from all angles with superhuman reflexes and speed.
Yeah thats all well and good but Jedi have to work at there defense, its not automatic. They do not win and lose fight based on chance helping them with a lucky block they did absolutely nothing to earn. 1.04 may make the game LOOK more real but we don't own it for looks, we have it for game play. Freebies have no place in game made for kids over the age of 5.

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The CSC system turns all the blocking into circle strafing contest that doesn't have any basis in the movies. Sword fighting...maybe. Movies...no.
have you seen the movies? Jedi fight while FACING eachother! not while running backwards or what ever else this insane defense lets you get away with. If Jedi miss they will get hit. Plain and simple, mess up and pay for it 100% of the time.

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In addition, this sounds like it'll make the gun users even more powerful than they already were.
They cannot be any more powerful then they are now. This Mod ups the normal saber power.


I am not saying that it is perfect I am saying that this Mod appears to be a step in the right direction.


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Old 08-14-2002, 03:34 AM   #54
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have you seen the movies? Jedi fight while FACING eachother! not while running backwards or what ever else this insane defense lets you get away with. If Jedi miss they will get hit. Plain and simple, mess up and pay for it 100% of the time.
Not always true, one of the most popular and most requested recreation is of Darth Maul Vs Obi and Qui-gon battle. If you watch carefully, you'll see that Maul literally defends blows behind his back. In addition, he also spends a major part of the battle not so much facing one opponent but facing both. With the CSC system Maul couldn't last 10 secs vs. the two jedi. While fighting both Jedi I'll noticed that he always on the defensive except when he uses the "Saber Clash" to his advantage and knocks one of the jedi out of the fight for a moment.

With my mod, Masters of the Force, which honestly won't be out for a while , I'm attempting to sim. this type of combat AND bring a degree of skill to the game by turning Saber Clashs into a battle of speed, reflex, and strategy. Feel free to check it out in the it's thread, here. BTW that was a very cheap plug.


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Old 08-14-2002, 03:47 AM   #55
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They cannot be any more powerful then they are now. This Mod ups the normal saber power.
Oh, they could be. Think Q2 BFG. LOL.

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I am not saying that it is perfect I am saying that this Mod appears to be a step in the right direction.
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Oh, I agree. It seems to be a good idea. I just don't think it's the "best" idea.


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