lfnetwork.com mark read register faq members calendar

Thread: JK2 Raw Animations File Petition
Thread Tools Display Modes
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Old 08-11-2002, 12:02 AM   #1
NickR
 
NickR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 141
JK2 Raw Animations File Petition

Ok I've set up a petition for all you guys to sign here

It starts today (August 11) and ends September 1.

And if there are any JK2.net guys around who would like to post something about the petition that would be great.

Thanks.


I get dumped on alot. It's one of the hazards of being me!
NickR is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-11-2002, 12:22 AM   #2
razorace
Impressive, Terran!
 
razorace's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 9,171
Has a online petition ever worked?


---Jedi Guardian of the Newbie Questions
---Masters of the Force Team Leader / Creator
---Open Jedi Project Lead Moderator / Co-Founder
razorace is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-11-2002, 12:30 AM   #3
Psionic Jedi
 
Psionic Jedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Reborn Correctional Institute
Posts: 391
Quote:
Originally posted by razorace
Has a online petition ever worked?
There was a video card company that released a card with a built in wallhack for most FPS's... a petition from a member of the CS community caused the company to take down the drivers that allowed this feature.

What's this petition about? o.O


Without fear, there is no courage
Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself.
This would be really funny if it weren't happening to me.
In the land of California, in the heat of San Jose the dark haired PSIONIC JEDI forged in secret a master computer to control all others and into this computer he poured his money, his computer parts and many screws
One computer to rule them all. One computer to find the foes
One computer to bring them all to hell and in the darkness conquer
In the online gaming world where the envying ones lie.
-Original dito119
Psionic Jedi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-11-2002, 12:47 AM   #4
razorace
Impressive, Terran!
 
razorace's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 9,171
You could READ THE PETITION!

As for those video drivers, I think there was more at work than just the petition. It seemed like game developers complained or something like that.


---Jedi Guardian of the Newbie Questions
---Masters of the Force Team Leader / Creator
---Open Jedi Project Lead Moderator / Co-Founder
razorace is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-11-2002, 12:48 AM   #5
remark 666
 
remark 666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Hellifornia baby!
Posts: 551
I'm up for it


-----------------------------------------------------
[SIZE=1.9]All my life I've been livin' it all alone, I'm like a king with no people And no crown, or a throne...And what I'm speakin' on...Is what I'm feelin' like, Do you know what it's like To feel the warmth of the sunlight? I'd really like to know...Cause I've been chillin' in the dark For so many years...That I question love in my heart.....I hate everyone, And I hate everything....Except for all the juggalos And all the love that they bring...[/SIZE]
-----------------------------------------------------
remark 666 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-11-2002, 10:17 AM   #6
volrathxp
 
volrathxp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: We all live in a yellow submarine.....
Posts: 822
signed.



She left ya now she's back stickin out her rack
She's got ya runnin down the wrong track
Can't wait to see her face when I'm in her place
and I'm tryin to get ya in the sack


The Donnas - Too Bad About Your Girl
volrathxp is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-11-2002, 11:50 AM   #7
morphius_doh
 
morphius_doh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Kennebunkport, Maine
Posts: 324
We need to get as many modelers as poissible to sign this petition. Spread the word!
morphius_doh is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-12-2002, 12:30 AM   #8
Twisted Vertex
 
Twisted Vertex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: NYC
Posts: 601
lets think about this for a second. How would you obtain this 600 mb file. Surely not by download. Mail, well you'll probably ending up paying a couple of bucks for them anyways. I think its a worthless casue, think will be totally ingonred.

Come on looks at the Two towers petiton. That was TOTALLY ignorned. First off, create your OWN site for the petition. The petiton you have created here is very far from convincing. This way if you create your own site, you can go into more detail on WHY you want these aniamtions.

Personally, I would like to see raven get invovled with making custom aniamtions that go with custom skeletons, that work in mp.


The immortal words of Socrates..."I drank what ?"


http://woopadesign.web1000.com
(30) percent complet.
Twisted Vertex is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-12-2002, 01:15 AM   #9
Goreld
 
Goreld's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 52
Sorry, but all the expert Softimage animators already have jobs, and are not working on mods. Try again.
Goreld is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-12-2002, 10:21 PM   #10
NickR
 
NickR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 141
Maybe those professionals have hobbies!
Jerk!


I get dumped on alot. It's one of the hazards of being me!
NickR is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-12-2002, 10:34 PM   #11
razorace
Impressive, Terran!
 
razorace's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 9,171
I think he was trying to be realistic.


---Jedi Guardian of the Newbie Questions
---Masters of the Force Team Leader / Creator
---Open Jedi Project Lead Moderator / Co-Founder
razorace is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-12-2002, 11:00 PM   #12
Koldsabercut
 
Koldsabercut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 32
I signed it even though I'm not into animating. The SP of the game has gotten extrememly boring and I want soemthing fresh. I have faith that you guys can do this. Good luck and God speed!
Koldsabercut is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-12-2002, 11:26 PM   #13
Goreld
 
Goreld's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 52
Sorry if that post came out a little harsh. I'm just saying that it most likely won't get released because VERY few people will be able to take advantage of it. Of course it won't be impossible, but the returns would be very minimal (the current animations cover most generic stuff already).

First of all, animating isn't too easy, and second of all, I don't believe the Raven guys did it in Max; I'm almost positive they animated everything in Softimage (hence the .XSI files). Most hobbyists, including me, use Max; Softimage is a more advanced package; while Max is incredible at low poly stuff, Softimage has THE best animation capabilities in the world.

So I'm saying that a lot of the stuff in Softimage might not translate well to Max. It would be opening a can of worms, and probably only a small handful of people would be able to take advantage of it.

To put it this way- the only use I could see for it would be a mod with relatively few animations. Otherwise, to put a standard animation into jk2 without mods would require doing several thousand frames of animation. Very few hobbyists have access to a mocap studio, and even fewer could afford renting it out. Animating it by hand is theoretically possible, but do YOU want to do 17,000 animations just for a slightly different look?
Goreld is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-13-2002, 04:01 PM   #14
NickR
 
NickR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 141
I know quite a few modelers who have SoftImage and my mod team has a mocap studio available to us.

However, I'm not just trying to get the animations file for my team, but for the whole mod community.

If we are denied this file it restricts what we can do, unlike in JK1 which you could do basically anything, engine allowing of course.


I get dumped on alot. It's one of the hazards of being me!
NickR is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-13-2002, 04:11 PM   #15
razorace
Impressive, Terran!
 
razorace's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 9,171
My bet is that Raven is making an expansion for the game and therefore don't want some nonpros making them look bad or affect the number of sales.


---Jedi Guardian of the Newbie Questions
---Masters of the Force Team Leader / Creator
---Open Jedi Project Lead Moderator / Co-Founder
razorace is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-14-2002, 03:07 PM   #16
NickR
 
NickR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 141
You and me both. It's certainly a worrier to me and my mod team.

All the work and then Raven do the same thing and get money for it.


I get dumped on alot. It's one of the hazards of being me!
NickR is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-14-2002, 03:53 PM   #17
razorace
Impressive, Terran!
 
razorace's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 9,171
Nah, no worries, as long as you do something unique Raven couldn't/wouldn't rip it. It's just too much as a legal hassle ,and why do that when they could just as easily hire you for your ideas.


---Jedi Guardian of the Newbie Questions
---Masters of the Force Team Leader / Creator
---Open Jedi Project Lead Moderator / Co-Founder
razorace is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-16-2002, 05:14 AM   #18
Subject452
 
Subject452's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Mirkwood
Posts: 310
cough*http://forums.massassi.net/html/Forum9/HTML/001907.html *cough


irc.quakenet.org #jk2coding
Subject452 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-16-2002, 08:07 PM   #19
Smood
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 310
Post hrm

Certainly a tough issue, which might come as an easy solution to many, but others, such as myself, have mixed feelings...

On the one hand, having the file so that animations can be edited instead of being made from scratch greatly benefits the mod community. There is no argument there....

However, I imagine the reason raven hasn't graced us with the file, is the same reason engines are kept out of reach to a lesser extent. The file has the potential to give competitors an advantage or resource to exploit.

I know, you may be saying, 'NOT SO!' well, think about this, why don't we have the file?
Simple Enough.


- DIABLO
[jediknightii.net staff]
Smood is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-28-2002, 09:56 PM   #20
Commodus
 
Commodus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 216
203 signatures so far.
Commodus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-28-2002, 10:09 PM   #21
Rad Blackrose
Banned
 
Rad Blackrose's Avatar
 
Status: Banned
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Retired
Posts: 810
Quote:
Originally posted by Psionic Jedi


There was a video card company that released a card with a built in wallhack for most FPS's... a petition from a member of the CS community caused the company to take down the drivers that allowed this feature.

What's this petition about? o.O
The petition was started by Disk2, who is behind the works of Half-Life Sound Selector as well as HLirc. He has been known to hang out around the CSR server (Counter-Strike Radio).

Pays to know your people.

As far as animations go... I have mixed feelings as well...
Rad Blackrose is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-29-2002, 07:55 AM   #22
Xenon812
 
Xenon812's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Outer Rim Of The Galaxy
Posts: 52
So the file is over 600 Mb.

And your point is?


I downloaded 3 Gb in 2 hours yesterday, and I only have a capped cable connection.

That is a non-issue.



As for the other issues involved, if they ARE going to issue an expansion pack (I hope the Force is with us on that) then I would not want them to release the raw files just yet. Let's get every last bit of official stuff outta them before they turn it over to the modders....
Xenon812 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 08-29-2002, 05:32 PM   #23
razorace
Impressive, Terran!
 
razorace's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 9,171
I'm betting that's what Raven's strategy is.


---Jedi Guardian of the Newbie Questions
---Masters of the Force Team Leader / Creator
---Open Jedi Project Lead Moderator / Co-Founder
razorace is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Go Back   LucasForums > Network > JediKnight Series > Game Discussion > Jedi Outcast > JK2 Raw Animations File Petition

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:59 PM.

LFNetwork, LLC ©2002-2011 - All rights reserved.
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.