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Old 10-03-2002, 07:44 PM   #1
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Post I think a jk3 would be great only.....

KYLE HAS GOT TO GO! he had his chance as a jedi, he blew it then went back and now hes about 50 years old! they could do something smart like make kyle get killed in the first level and create an adventure from there! the j2k style of game is great but they have got to get a new character! thats my opinion what do u think?


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Old 10-03-2002, 09:11 PM   #2
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I'm guessing an expansion would involve kyle or someone who has been close to kyle.

And JK3 would involve a new character.


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Old 10-03-2002, 11:13 PM   #3
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Kill off Kyle? You're mad!
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Old 10-04-2002, 12:15 AM   #4
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Dude, he's like,...... 60 or something. Nature's gonna kill him off soon anyway


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Old 10-04-2002, 02:10 AM   #6
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he's only about late 40's i believe.
and they souldnt kill off kyle! but also, theyshouldnt make jk3 anyways. jk2 is the end of the trilogy anyways


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Old 10-04-2002, 02:23 AM   #7
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who says it needs to be a trilogy....


could go another 5 i reckon


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Old 10-04-2002, 03:31 AM   #8
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I think if a new character was necessary, a Metal Gear Solid 2 type approach of tricking you in all the previews to think it was 100% Kyle, then you play a few levels into the game and papow! New character. I'm thinking the first few levels I speak of being Kyle telling some stories to his son/young padawan, but you don't know that until he finishes. Cutscene ensues, his Son/padawan grows up, does the rest of the levels. Kyle shows up near the end and you team your way through a level or two. It'd be the greatest thing ever.
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Old 10-04-2002, 04:47 AM   #9
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bah, they would have to change the name if it wasnt about kyle. the DF/JK storyline is Kyles... the other charctrers can have their own game names..

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Old 10-04-2002, 07:34 AM   #10
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Nah they shouldn't make jk3 they better start a new title if they want to make another game.


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I think that they should definitely keep Kyle for the expansion pack for JKII.

However, for JKIII, I voted to "Keep Kyle", but on thinking about it, it would likely mean they'd have to come up with some new lame excuse for why he's starting the game with no saber or Force skills and two lousy weapons. JKII I could deal with - he severed himself from the Force after MotS and handed his saber to Luke, and they were on a 'blue milk run' so he only had his blaster. OK ... I can deal with that. But I whooped Dessann with boat loads o' Force power and Saber skill. I don't want to lose that, but I also think that the game benefits by growing you into the role by gradually increasing your force skills.

So maybe there is another way - Kyle's apprentice or something (yeah, I know, just like Mara in MotS).

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Old 10-05-2002, 02:58 AM   #12
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I would like to keep Kyle. It is not the end of Kyle's story anyways. And you don't need to kill him to have a new hero.
Besides what would poor Jan do?


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Old 10-05-2002, 03:11 AM   #13
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i agree...

kyle is an old geezer.
i replayed the single player and cringed everytime i saw his grey hairs on his head.

a younger lead character should be the hero for jk3.
heck, have an ensemble of young jedi (male and female).


also...i think the saber combat system needs to be slightly redone.
too many people complained about the saber combat system of jk2 which ended up nerfing the entire system to hell.


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Old 10-05-2002, 03:18 AM   #14
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I say, make a game that has nothing to do wih kyle! More like its lukes quest. I say Bring back luke!


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Old 10-05-2002, 05:34 PM   #15
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I feek somehow Kyle should get killed, or have the stiry tooken from him in someway.

Or they should restart the series in the prequel era


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Old 10-05-2002, 06:31 PM   #16
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kill the main jk character?? well now that's a good idea
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Old 10-06-2002, 01:24 AM   #17
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Dude, he's like,...... 60 or something. Nature's gonna kill him off soon anyway
Nah, think of the Emperor and Ben Kenobi.

They are all old timers but can still whoop arse. Though Kyle sure has seen alot of action.. maybe he should settle down with Jan or something.


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Old 10-06-2002, 07:40 AM   #18
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They need to make a Sith vs Jedi campaign game with dynamically generated missions instead of the scripted type In JKII. A campaign generator and mission builder would be awesome. Also, being able to play either side would be a must.

Doubt they will do it, because it would be to good of an idea and take some really talented programmers.

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They need to make a Sith vs Jedi campaign game with dynamically generated missions instead of the scripted type In JKII. A campaign generator and mission builder would be awesome. Also, being able to play either side would be a must.

Doubt they will do it, because it would be to good of an idea and take some really talented programmers.
To an extent, it is just an extension of the Soldier of Fortune II RMG (Random Mission Generator). That is nice, but I agree that it would need some serious extensions for Jedi Knight use.

That has been something I've been hoping for since seeing it in SoFII ...

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Old 10-06-2002, 12:31 PM   #20
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i agree...

kyle is an old geezer.
i replayed the single player and cringed everytime i saw his grey hairs on his head.

a younger lead character should be the hero for jk3.
heck, have an ensemble of young jedi (male and female).


also...i think the saber combat system needs to be slightly redone.
too many people complained about the saber combat system of jk2 which ended up nerfing the entire system to hell.
... perhaps it is my own quantity of grey hair - paired with my own vitality - that makes Kyle's age not bother me ...

As for the saber combat system, I think that the major complaints were about damage levels, although a new game could improve on the 'direct control' vs. 'scripted control' balance.

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Old 10-06-2002, 07:51 PM   #21
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Yes, the civilians in the original JK added such a lot of atmosphere, even though they were as wooden as furniture. Imagine how much atmosphere they'd add if they were more interactive? The mind boggles!

And Kyle is the star of the DF series, there's no getting rid of him. He's a classic computer game character, and we've all grown used to fighting his darned battles for him. Kyle's the man.


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especially when he is in his dashing blue uniform eh?
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Old 10-07-2002, 11:52 PM   #23
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Officially, Kyle returned to the Jedi order and became a Combat instructor to the young Jedi Knights at the Luke's praxeum... He also took on several apprentices, but as they rose to Jedi Knight status, pretty much all of his former padawans were killed fighting the Yuuzhan Vong invasion...

With the destruction of the Jedi academy on Yavin IV and the death of many of his former students, Kyle is losing hope that the Jedi could ever emerge victorious. (That's all pre-SbS information, though.)
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Old 10-08-2002, 06:57 AM   #24
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they should make the expansion starring Tavion, dagnabit

shes perfect for the role, she could start off still pretty darksidey but her powers change during the game to lightside

therefore you would get the thrill of earning new powers without having to wade through the crappy no force gun battles bits

plus you could experience using darkside powers without it contradicting every other bit of star wars info (canon and non canon)about jedi and the acceptability of using the DS

by the end, through whatever personal journey she undertakes and with the aid of whoever's guidance (insert Kyle or Luke or kyp or mara or whoever, here)
she would be a proper lightside jedi with no lingering dark side powers.

see how thoughtfull and suprised she was when kyle let her live?
that woulda given her pause to think about her opposition to the jedi etcopening her to the lightside

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Patch's Tavion idea

I would really, really love to see a two-sided expansion pack ... one side would have you play as Kyle, the other as Tavion.

The whole thought of a converted Tavion was very much left open, but I've always been bugged by this EU sensibility in which Dark and Light are so fluidly gone between (among other things ... the whole NJO premise is so ST derived, let's take the Borg, but make it anti-technology rather than total technology, and blind in the force rather than adaptable to weapons). I believe that the Vader thing was a singular event, so I don't know how I'd feel about Tavion becoming a light Jedi all of a sudden ...


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i think the turning away from the dark could be done with Tavion becasue she was just an apprectice

kyle; "wheres your master apprentice?"

though i agree that the eu's seemingly constant stream of jedi/darkjedi/jedi conversions are a bit stupid, especially what happens in Dark Journey.


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I would agree that a story where you can play both sides would add more value to the game.


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Old 10-13-2002, 04:30 PM   #28
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i didnt know kyle was loved so much! well i guess this thread should be closed now!


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Old 10-13-2002, 05:24 PM   #29
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i got a good idea... he dies of a heart attack!!!




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Old 10-13-2002, 06:30 PM   #30
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With the events of Episode II, I beleive it shows that the Force is much more forgiving than the OT implies. Heck, Anakin killed a WHOLE village of people and other jedi didn't sense him being a dark sider.


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Old 10-14-2002, 12:10 AM   #31
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There's no reason to kill Kyle off.

As I said before in another thread (somewhere), you could easily have a story around Kyle as a Jedi Master...and introduce other characters, in the form of his apprentices, or even simple acquaintances.

Maybe he makes the same mistake as Obi-Wan and has to hunt down an apprentice who turns to the Dark side. Or maybe Kyle is struck down by the same, his life hanging by a thread, and one of his apprentices has to hunt the perpetrator. There are so many different ways of introducing new characters without having to do away with the old...

Besides, some of us mid-30's guys can identify with the grey.
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Old 10-14-2002, 01:27 AM   #32
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ok i dunno if most of you havent noticed this or not but kyle is a wimp!!! Look at his skinny arms, his pathetic mustache and gray hair. I'm not saying old ppl cant be 1337 but kyle just doesnt cut it. :P
If you look at some of the screenshots from the original dark forces id say kyle was pretty bad ass with his big chest muscles and cool looking jacket and body armor. But now.... hes a old pansy wearing skin-tight clothing. of course that was a long time ago kyle was like 25 making jan about....17,18 by her looks
lastly he's been in 3 games and he needs to retire before his reputation gets ruined or he just gets boring, which he already is starting to become.
Bottom line kyle has to go, he deserves it and we deserve a change


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First I say tht Young people know less. So a new one would have to learn it all over again! Name one very young guy that was on the Jedi counsle. Ok old people are wiser. Obi-won is a good example. He was some what ignorant in EP1 and he was wiser in EP2 and look where he got in EP4. I don't care about age.


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I agree. Dooku looks REALLY old but he can still kick some @$$.


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Dooku's old? What about the Emperor?
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Lightbulb Idea

Perhaps have JK3 be like the original Jediknight where you have the ability to choose to follow light OR dark depending on your actions... I personally thought that was one of the cooler aspects of the original game. Would be kind of hard to do with Kyle though. Hehe, or perhaps make JK3 what happens if you chose the dark side in the original...
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im probably gonna get murdered for this but what about settting it in the NJO era where Kyle goes to fight the Yuuzan Vong and has to choose between extracting revenge and just plain fighting them a la JK?


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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im probably gonna get murdered for this but what about settting it in the NJO era where Kyle goes to fight the Yuuzan Vong and has to choose between extracting revenge and just plain fighting them a la JK?
Personally, I hate the whole Star-Trek derivative nature of the YV. I like Star Wars, like Star Trek, like much of the EU, hate the NJO because of the YV.

Would I buy a JKIII based around it ... ? Sure, but I'd rather they not do it ...

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Old 10-16-2002, 03:56 AM   #39
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dont just kill him

Do you want another Chewbaca death or something. Kyle has to die for a reason and he has to die. Not cause hes old but because he can't really keep the flow for the JK saga. I have a story where Kyle is still kicking but old and he has trained a few aprentices adn one day falls upon a dark jedi that has never been part of the academy. So he goes out to pursue him to discover who trained him and ends up discovering a big secret, but of course you dont know the secret kyle just goes into aw when he discovers where this dark jedi came from. Then right when he turns around theres the dark jedi and kyles head gets lopped off. Its now been 700 years later and Luke is still kicking and doing the Yoda thing but without the speach impetement. An old master is nearing completion of training his aprentice who is believed to be a gemini of the force (they dont know what it means but his twin brother was born with the ability to create life using the force so thats why they think the he and his brother are two halves of a gemini). One day his master has the same fate befall as Kyle did but doesn't get killed or even get to fallow the dark jedi. So he discovers what happened to kyle and goes to unravel what happened to him while his padawan (named Uron and now done with his training) goes to track down his father and brothers slayer (his brother is alive though but he doesn't know it). And well can't say more cause it will ruin the storys suprise if I can make it a TC or a book or something. But thats how Kyle should die.

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