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Old 11-06-2002, 11:02 PM   #81
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I've been playing CTF saber-only ever day for a few months now, I've encountered many 'scripters'
Most popular is the 'Kick Scripter'
A while ago, when I was quite new to MP combat, downloaded a script which had binds for: backstab, kick, all the 3 stances specials. At first I thought it would help me. If people use scripts to learn the moves, that's okay. But it does leave an unfair advantage to other players on the server, who have spent time learning the moves. Most kick scripters hop about too much, so you can always spot them
When I started using the script, I unbinded fewer, and fewer moves, because to be honest, I knew how to backstab and do the blue special. I then continued to observe the moves from the script and the commands to execute them. This did help me to learn the moves.

Anyway, if scripters can execute the moves without the script, then using the script seems okay.
But scripters are still spoiling the game for others.
Scripts take away all the fun from the game.
Scripts = Cheats.
Just like using cheats in SP; scripts are the cheats of MP. If the person cannot perform the moves manually. If they can, then it's another story.

Is there really a point to having a kick, followed by a kick then a DFA binded to key?

There's lots of tips / cheats / exploits in MP; unreachable places, faster speed, etc.

If someone was able to sidekick me off the edge before I could, I probably would be pissed, but it seems they're a better sidekicker than me I don't see that as cheating, aslong as it was them not a script.
If your read all that, you must be bored. So the bottom line is:
If you can't perform the moves in the script without the script; it's cheating
But I still see scripts as cheating

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Old 11-07-2002, 05:34 AM   #82
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I'm so sick of people blasting good kickers, calling them scriptors. Listen. Anyone who knows how to kick really well, and owns your @$$ with kicks, more than likely ISNT using a script. I get called a kick scriptor all the time. I just laugh. The kicks I do, how and when I execute them would not be able to be done via a script. Especially when it's against a moving target. And no, people that are always jumping around aren't necessarilly using a script either. They're probably strafe jumping to gain speed. Granted there are probably people out there that use scripts. But just because you get owned by someone kicking your teeth in, don't assume they're a scriptor. They're probably just better than you, and have played the game longer.
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Old 11-07-2002, 09:21 AM   #83
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Ah the old cheaters Vs Ethics Argument

Personally i dont see what the big hubub is all about, i think everyone by now who has been playing the game has a moral idea of what is cheating and what isnt. Cheating is cheating theres no way to argue that its OK to cheat(In my view that includes using scripts and editing all sorts in the game to give to yourself a biger advantage.) and the "Its ok cos ever1 does it" line is a load of shizzer cos if everyone turned into a load of homosydal maniacs than would you do it? No!! So shut ur cake hole!
If your gonna cheat then whats the point in playing the game absolutly pointless cos you can now do everything..dah!!

So in conclusion, cheating leads to the anger, anger leads to hate and hate leads to the Dark Side. Catch my drift?



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Old 11-07-2002, 11:17 AM   #84
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Ok, i'm just gonna add what i think is cheating and what not.

I belive abusing bugs is cheating.
I don't belive using scripts is cheating.

Lame is excesive abusing of something in the game which gives him or her an advantage.

I myself use acouple of scripts, because i think they make the job easier, let me make an eksample.
The lounge script for eksample, if i wore to do it manually, i'd manage to pull it off 60% of the time, and making alot of work for myself, but if i use a script, i can manage to pull it of 90% of the time.
I also use a kick script, yes i partially agree that it is "kinda" lame, but i have a golden rule.
I never use kick as a primary attack, cause i belive it affects the way my opponent plays that i'm forcing him to resort to "lame" moves.
I only use kick for defending or part of a combination.
When i say defending i mean, if i know someone is going to kick me, i will rather kick him first, then dodge his attempt.

A good example of the fact that pulling moves off requires timeing and skill rather then just a combination with a script is the yellow stance special move.
I tried a script which did just that, but i found out it was alot better to do it manually, because then you had alot more control, and the success rating was alot higher.


Now another part which is brought to my atension, is that people think that only newbies, or losers use scripts, that is not true, alot of people use scripts regardless what skill they have.
And it's not cheating, even if you abuse it, it isen't cheating, then your just being lame.
Scripts just make the job easier, i can still pull of every move without problem, but with a script i can pull it of easier, and with higher success rating, but it still requires timeing and perfection, and that is what fighting is all about, timeing.

A player who has scripts for everything would make him very predicteble, but simple moves scripted just makes it easier to pull off, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Like scripting the dfa, this mean you have only one way of doing that move, you can't "customise" it while pulling it off.

People who claim that scripting is cheating, of lame, really should rethink their argument, because it is being ignorant. Being lame is about how you play, not what you use to play.
And any script moves is nothing, if you don't know how to use them.
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omg. kick dfa is fine to do without the script.
most ppl just can't do it cuz they move too far and jump over them with the dfa.
im not one of the elite+ at sabz but i can hit kick dfa 9 out of 10 on a flat surface, 4 out of 5 on a uneven surface, and 1/2 when the person uses push.


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Old 11-08-2002, 05:09 AM   #86
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Originally posted by Neko Lain

I belive abusing bugs is cheating.
I don't belive using scripts is cheating

Lame is excesive abusing of something in the game which gives him or her an advantage.
Hmmm...really? I'd say:

Abusing bugs is lame.
Using certain scripts is cheating.
Excessive use/spamming of just about anything is lame. If a guy does nothing but rolls backwards, that's sorta lame, stupid and boring.

Arguing about what is "honorable" or the "right way to play the game" or "lame" is hopeless. Some people think 2 lunges in one duel is spamming, dishonorable etc. Others do not. There's no way to find a compromise that would suit everybody.

However, I am amazed that some people still refuse to accept that certain scripts are blatant cheats.

I have argued my case in this thread enough already. I'll just quote a few pro-scripters. I think they do a pretty good job in proving my point.

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The lounge script for eksample, if i wore to do it manually, i'd manage to pull it off 60% of the time, and making alot of work for myself, but if i use a script, i can manage to pull it of 90% of the time.

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Scripts just make the job easier....with a script i can pull it of easier, and with higher success rating...
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Cheating means taking an unfair advantage, since anyone can bind a script how is it unfair?
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I'm not going to be at a disadvantage becuase someone else has it scripted.
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competitive play allows it
To sum it up: "It's in the game, others are doing it and you could do it too"

The only somewhat valid argument, imho, is the last one: competitive players have agreed on accepting scripting. That, however, only means to me that competetive gamers use certain cheats. Scripts are accepted and thus "fair" (still cheating, though) in their community.

I've commented on the rest of the retarded arguments earlier. Please just think about it for a moment, I'll give you yet another example of this wonderful logic used:

Guys are playing hockey. One guy takes the blade off his skates, sharpens it and tapes it on to his hockey stick. He then goes out on the ice and decapitates the opposing teams goalie.

Did he do something wrong?

Of course not! The blade and stick were

IN THE GAME AND USING THOSE TOOLS MADE WINNING EASIER AND EVERYONE ELSE CAN DO THE SAME INSTEAD OF WHINING ABOUT IT! DUH!


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But hey: whatever makes you feel better... you can justify to yourself just about any action as long as you don't use your brain.


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Old 11-08-2002, 07:57 AM   #87
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Ahem, decapitating another ice hockey player is not only illegal in law, but is also against the rules of ice hockey. Scripting is not against any law, nor is there any rulebook for JO. Therefore it cannot be classified as cheating.

I think they're stupid and lame too, but I don't think they qualify as cheats.

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Old 11-08-2002, 12:51 PM   #88
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im not a pro-scripter luc lol

i dont use them

competitive play allows them because in general people who play competitivly dont whine about every little thing which may be giving their opponent an advantage

and the fact is a script really doesnt give u an advantage

u cannot program logic into a script, and its more important to be smart than it is to hit a button

take pro tennis for example

they are all basically on the same skill level, yet who wins is generally due to the court surface (map?) and who is mentally and physically stronger at that moment in time.

the same applies for any fps

a single script or even a few scripts which will perform moves etc. will not give u an advantage over an intelligent player and this is why competitive players have no gripes about them. they adapt, they find other ways to beat their opponent.

other reason might be that the jk2 competive play doesnt involve sabers (CTF, TDM)

what is and isnt a cheat is once again determined by someones morals

its pretty standard for aimbots/wallhacks to be considered cheats because they give u an obvious advantage

a script does not necessarily give u an advantage in jk2
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Old 11-08-2002, 01:22 PM   #89
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If I hear "I think..." in reference to what is or is not cheating one more time, I will fall on my saber. It's not subject to your opinion unless we are playing on YOUR server folks. Your opinion of the "spirit" of the game, or what is "lame" does not constitute the definition of cheating unless you are hosting and everyone is made aware of the rules.

I see many reasonable people here that admit they don't like one or another particular aspect of someone else's game play, but also admit that it is not against the rules. Kudos to those people. They are mature enough to realize that there is always someone better, regardless of their ethics or methods.

Anyone that can own me in the game by any means is someone deserving respect IMHO. And they are someone I can learn from. Unless they are c ocky, and have some kill counter that refers to everyone as a noob, and tells them how worthless they or their mother are or otherwise show that they are a poor sport... Or if they are FK|FallenOne and have killed me a million times in CTF while playing FK against all with 4 FK members vs. 10+ non members. j/k Fallen.

And that Hockey argument makes no sense at all... Fighting is against the rules. I think decapitating opposing players would be considered fighting... at least. Now if you were playing Rollerball...
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Old 11-08-2002, 02:44 PM   #90
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Incredible!

It's incredible this has gone on this long.

You can't stop scripting no matter how strongly you feel about it. You can't be sure that someone is or isn't using them.

What you can do...

Is play the game and have fun.

So enjoy!

(Come play 1.02 it's more fun, IMHO.)


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Old 11-08-2002, 05:11 PM   #91
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Quote:
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im not a pro-scripter luc lol

i dont use them

competitive play allows them because in general people who play competitivly dont whine about every little thing which may be giving their opponent an advantage

and the fact is a script really doesnt give u an advantage
what is and isnt a cheat is once again determined by someones morals

its pretty standard for aimbots/wallhacks to be considered cheats because they give u an obvious advantage

a script does not necessarily give u an advantage in jk2
Okay. First of all I didn't accuse you of being a pro-scripter. Second of all...well, and if I did, so what? Sue me.

Third of all.....uh....I forget.

But fifth if all: there is a difference between scripts and scripts. If a script changes your saber colour, so what? Only scripts that give you some sort of advantage might be considered cheating.
I doubt I have to explain to all the l337d3wdz here that CTF is a whole different game. Sabers play a only minor role. The setting is quite different in, say, a saber only FFA.


Fourth of all...no wait..nevermind.. Anyways - the point isn't whether or not scripters can be beaten.

But if someone comes out and says that the game designers had spesifically in mind that players should go and create their little notepad-files filled with complex commands in the JKII folder and bind all that to certain keys, then...well, I'll just

Post scriptum: I have never ever whined about anything in a JK II game (expect for those 1.03 retarded ridiculous assfighters)


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Old 11-08-2002, 05:17 PM   #92
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OK so Luc is crazy...

but at least he can jump...

Here is Luc trying to slam, who says White Men can't jump? (or is it White men can't please their ladies?....oh well whatever)


and so what if this post has nothing to do with the topic? The topic has nothing to do with anything important anyway...right?


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Old 11-09-2002, 04:44 AM   #93
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Re: OK so Luc is crazy...

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but at least he can jump...

Here is Luc trying to slam, who says White Men can't jump? (or is it White men can't please their ladies?....oh well whatever)



Heeeeeeeyyyyy! You can't do that... ? You can't post a pic of Me?! That's got to be against some basic forum rules!! ...right?

Oh well. Since you exposed me, I might as well come clean.. Yeah, I have the jump scripted and I even used a detpack to get up there...not to mention the lunge-float exploit. I'm such a hypocrite.

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LMAO @ Acer. Dude, I was just looking through my screenshots for that game but I guess I didn't take one. I do have screens of 4 of us FK's layin the smaketh down on 10 other people back to back maps. 4 v 10 winning 4 to 1 and 3 to 1, but niether of them had you on it. Dunno if you DCed before I hit the shot button or what. Gotta realize that's gonna happen though. We compete together all the time, you and those 9 other unfortunate souls don't play together as much as we do.

Back to the topic however. I have to agree that scripting isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be. I think it's because there's no true way to really cheat in this game that people have to find the next closest thing to whine about. Personally, anyone I go up against, script all you want, I'll be able to see what you're doing quickly enough to adjust that all the scripted moves you throw at me won't make a splinter of difference as my boot kicks your teeth in.

To the Dsbr guy. Um...I hate to burst your bubble but just because TWL is monopolized by you guns/ff ctf'ers doesn't mean that the majority of the JK2 competition is guns. In fact there are more saber ladders then guns ladders. TWL has FF and NF Saber only 1v1 ladders as well as TDM FF sabers. Provinggrounds has a couple 1v1 and 2v2 sabers ladders. OGL HAD some but appears to have discontinued all JK2 gaming. Clannetwork had 3 sabers only ladders/tournaments but they've discontinued the game as well it appears as it's been 2 months since the last update for the JK2 area. Gleagues.com ONLY does sabers, one duel ladder and one tffa ladder. And Barrysworld is sponsoring a sabers only ctf league which many of us like to play. I don't get why you guys on the TWL forums talk so much crap about saber only people. It's ridiculous. And as I said there, I'll say here...there are plenty other FPS games that I'd rather play if I wanted guns, like UT2k3 for example.

The rest of you, take comfort in the fact that guys like GEEZus have been banned from these forums. The TWL forums are nothing but flame wars and constant bashing of those of us that like this game for what it was made for, IE the lightsaber!
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While the lightsabre is a key aspect of the game, it's not everything. Perhaps sabre-only fanatics get a "bashed" a lot because they tend to be unwilling to accept that the DF series has more to it than mere lightsabre usage, and unwilling to show respect to those who enjoy other styles of play.

There's always someone on a guns CTF server or a guns FFA server who ends up complaining about being shot. Perhaps sabre-heads should save their ire, and direct it at those members of their own faction who give the rest a bad name.


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i played sabers nf originally in jk1 and then moved to ff, because i was 12 and thought it was cool to have a lightsaber and swing it around like they do in the movies.

the fact is we have played sabers fooling around, and beaten a ton of saber clans, yes it takes some intelligence and knowledge of when to do what but the team aspect is really just ffa without being able to kill some people

and ctf is a waste sabers only

duels i can understand they just lack the other aspects i enjoy such as map control etc.

the reason we bash the saberists is because of 1.03 and the fact that this forum as most saberists whine whine whined about the fact that they were joining servers and being shot by guns.

yes there are more saber competitions and this is one of the reasons the game didnt take off. can you shoutcast a 1v1 duel sabers? or even tdm sabers only?

it also has to do with the community outside of jk2. nobody cares about hearing about some saber match

and if jk2 was to ever pick up at LANs or tournaments i guarantee it wouldn't have been with sabers. and i mean REAL tournys like WCG (which pG i think was petiitioning or something at one point) but once again because everyone associates this game with lightsabering whiners nobody cares, hence no competitions

while most games have their newbie groups, generally on pubs(as this game does too), the majority of jk2 players generally have no clue

hence we get people accusing us of using programs which perform our map runs for us (lol)

and hence why i am accused of using cogs in jk2

its a pathetic community, TWL trash talks simply out of boredom or to get a response, call it kiddy but it gets a laugh every now and then

point is: there is no real competition in this game and yes TWL is the closest thing
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While the lightsabre is a key aspect of the game, it's not everything. Perhaps sabre-only fanatics get a "bashed" a lot because they tend to be unwilling to accept that the DF series has more to it than mere lightsabre usage, and unwilling to show respect to those who enjoy other styles of play.

There's always someone on a guns CTF server or a guns FFA server who ends up complaining about being shot. Perhaps sabre-heads should save their ire, and direct it at those members of their own faction who give the rest a bad name.
umm spider al. didn't u used to play only ff bgj and not oasis. no offense but just wondering what was ur reason. cuz jza said that his reason was that he was no good at oasis


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hey haze were u elite as nf sabz like hexen and end or did u go ff then get leet.?

can u post those ip's again where the dsbr play?

hoodwinked said that darksaber=latinogamer on teamwarfare. is that true?


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yes we are gamerslatino on twl

lol u mean elite once nf sabs became nf hacks??

i was good back in the days IRN ruled ladder etc. but never god of NF bgj

jza=hack

i only played nf for like a year or so it got incredibly boring

there really is nothing to it than moving out of way and hitting fire
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Haze, if Sabers Only CTF is so ridiculous, why then are there more active clans in sabers only CTF then there are on the TWL CTF Ladder. {FK}, =X=, |NJS|, |WoV|, [SFI], *DiK, |J*W|, [KOR], and (>GX<) are some just to name a few. And Us (FK), =X= and NJS all have Saber Only CTF Pubs up and they're always full. I own the FK server and I'm having to add slots to it because it's always full. If Sabers Only CTF is worthless why is there a bigger community of it then Guns CTFers?

On the note that "their's so much more to the Dark Forces series". Well, this isn't the Dark Forces Series anymore. It's now the "Jedi Knight Series". This is laid out by lucasarts themselves. When they released that little survey as to whether or not they should continue with the series they said JEDI KNIGHT series, not Dark Forces.

I'll say for one last time. Why did you all get this game? Because of the guns? I doubt it. Because of the use of Force Powers, more likely. Because of the lightsaber, highly likely. No matter how you guns lovers want to dress it up now, you know you went out and got this game because you wanted to run around hacking people up with a lightsaber. Not run around blasting the most spammable guns of any FPS. But noone's who's a diehard gunner's gonna admit it. They're gonna run their mouths calling us saber only fans noobs. Like GEEZus did to me on TWL forum. Funny thing is, I know I'd own him in any saber and force games, and I told him if he wanted to challenge me to guns to go out and by UT2K3, and I'd own him in a guns game. He never answered that. Listen gunners. The way this game is set up, ANY NOOB, can go buy the game, learn the basics of force powers, jump into a guns mp server, and wreck some form of havok. The guns were designed so that the EVERYDAY joe could have fun killing people. Saying you're "elite" with the guns in this game...well, like I told GEEZus, load up UT2K3 and we'll go head to head to see who's the real noob.
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fallenone that just shows how ridiculously stupid you are

the armor respawns every 20 seconds(did u even know that???) the guns at full ammo allow maybe 10 shots, now assuming you hit every shot u might get a kill, however with 20 second respawns it is simple to run from a fight, grab armor rinse repeat, hence any decent players playing guns could go on forever with hardly any frags. lack of ammo and abundance of armor hardly makes this at all like the average game. its crap

and no most of us did not buy this game to run around pretending to be jedi

and none of us will ever again play any game in the JK series because of lucasarts catering to idiots who pretend to be jedi

the fact that your community may be bigger makes no difference

it is talentless

and yes we have played sabers only ctf and it is a waste of time

if you knew anything about fps perhaps i would listen

the guns are hardly set up so any old joe can just play

i could say the same about sabers/guns in ANY OTHER GAME

no **** they are

its the good players who learn the maps, learn control, learn defensive routes, learn how to play like a team etc.

jk1 was a great game because sabers and guns were split yes, but the skill level was still present

there wasnt 1 decent player for every 100 idiot whining saber newbies such as yourself

i understand the game is called JEDI KNIGHT that arguement is retarded as there are guns there are options for sabers only

they are separate, i have never bashed saberists, the fact is though most of them are newbie in how they react and in how they play, there is SOME skill involved, but its the same as a mod like ra3, just timing and aim.

and a LOT of people played guns in jk1, a lot played sabers, as i said i got my jedi bs fix overwith when i was 12, sorry if i grew up :\ a lot of us played guns in jk1 and were looking for even better teamplay in jk2

who do u play ut2k3 for? im sure u suck so plz stfu especially if u think u own pubs
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yea. im sick of hearing people say that "guns suck, use a saber, it's star wars you noob" sure it's star wars, sure it's called Jedi Knight, but it's also a part of the dark forces series, which started out using only guns. People say that jedi never use guns. look a kyle katarn he's always sticking that bryar pistol in everyone's face, especially in the cutscenes of jk1.
yea, there not much teamwork in jk2. i noticed that in ctf everyone goes off to get the flag and leaves the base defenceless. sigh..
and are you sure baout the shields spawn thing, cause i think the server can set it to spawn as fast or slow as he pleases.
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Haze stfu. All you're doing is talking sh*t now. Quit running your mouth and read what I wrote. You think I suck? Prove it noob. Play me in UT2K3 1v1. Hell if you're on the eastern seaboard of the US I'd even consider letting you host the game. I put the challenges out there and in reply get trash talking instead of challenges. That shows me that either 1) you're scared, 2) you're talking sh*t just to talk or 3) You haven't played UT2K3 and would rather run your mouth than come clean. We're trying to have a discussion and oops, here comes the so-called "elite" with their flames. Listen NOOB, I was in VRX for the first UT. We got to #3 on CAL before I decided to leave them, and I heard they played for the top spot. So quit calling everyone noob, NOOB! You don't know any of us. You never will. So quit assuming just because you're an ok gunner in a spammable weapons game such as JK2, that you're "elite". Go away. Set up a UT2K3 server, and as I said before, we'll see just who is the noob, NOOB!

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yea. im sick of hearing people say that "guns suck, use a saber, it's star wars you noob"...
Did anyone besides me find this post ironic at all?

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I noticed that too Acer. "lightsaberboy" defending guns. Odd isn't it.
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yea, that name isnt my jk2 name though,it's just to show that i like star wars. my jk2 name is three-headed monkey.


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lol

a) there isnt enough ammo for jk2 weapons to be spammable

b) 2k3 is 10x more spammy as was UT sorry
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lol i read fallenone boasting about how much more active sabers CTF is NOW. Well if you had played the game at all you'd know that about every other FF ctf server was full, and there were hardly any sabers only CTF servers. If two teams played a competitive sabers only match and had members with any intelligence it would be deadlocked at 0-0 for a VERY long time.
I know it's nothing like a real sport, but I'll do my best to compare. If CTF FF all weapons were hockey CTF sabers only would be like taking the players sticks away and asking them to move and shoot the puck by kicking it. It just wouldn't work which is the case with CTF sabers only it just doesn't work. Well I guess it does for 12 year olds running around with a saber pretending to be a master jedi and being concerned with honor and the jedi code or whatever, because if people played smart and got enough at it they would be able to hold the flag forever with the proper teamwork.
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Now I know you haven't played UT2K3.

1. Sniper gun replaced with Lightning gun, can not spam shots like UT sniper gun, have to wait for reload.

2. Rocket launcher only shoots 3 max rockets now instead of the 5 that were allowed in UT.

3. minigun has loading time now before you can fire unlike in UT where you could automatically begin spamming shots.

4. GES-bio rifle range reduced from UT

5. Plasma cannon primary fire slowed a bit, alt fire tiwsts and twirls and takes more aiming then striaght stream from UT.

6. Impact hammer changed for no longer being able to camp.

7. Shockrifle about the same.

8. teleporter limited in amount of times you can consecutively teleport.

9. Redeemer is the same

Hmmmm...seems to me that UT2K3 is no where near ten times more spammable then UT. Go play the game ya Noob, before you make assanine statements to someone who's played UT2K3 since it came out, as well as UT. Here's 10 bucks, go buy a clue!
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AS for you Chron...

1. You assume I'm 12 when in fact I'm much older.

2. You assume that I'm about "honor" and "jedi code" and what not. When in fact I give two sh*ts about that. I'm saying I play the game for the reasons it was made, which is not for the guns, but the saber.

3. Funny how with all the clans we've scrimmed in sabers only CTF not once has there been a 0-0 tie for any length of time outside of maybe 5 minutes on Yavin.

4. The point of my posts was to show that just because people play this game for the saber, doesn't make them a noob.

And since you're lame @$$ has decided to chime in and add to the non-sense, I'll make the same challenge to you that I've made to all the so-called "elite" JK2 gunners. Load up UT2K3 and I'll own you. I challenged GEEZus, -vicious, and -matt on the TWL forums to this and they never accepted. I challenged Haze and he spouts off his assanine comments how UT2K3 is more spammable then UT was which is complete nonsense and proves he hasn't played the game. And now I'll challenge you buddy. JK2, whether you like it or not, was NOT designed for the guns. It WAS designed for the saber. It's UNIQUE because of the Saber. The guns were put in to appease the masses for a typical shooter game. So get off your high horses about people who enjoy the game for it's intended purpose, the saber, calling them RPG Noobs, this and that. It's tired and boring. And since none of you have the testicles to accept my UT2K3 challenge, it proves that you're not as "elite" as you claim and are just full of hot air.
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1. Your a Newbie

2. I don't waste time humbling newbies at 1 vs 1 in UT2k3 I've had #s of idiots like yourself challenge me and yes I will admit I'm not that great at 1 vs 1 I don't even play. I play CTF and BR on Offense and am usually running flags or the ball and figuring out ways to score USING SMARTS yes intelligence is useful in team games! DM/1vs1 is full of extremely small spammable maps in UT2k3 in the end it's whoever dodges the quickest and spams the most, no smarts involved at all.

3. You haven't played UT if you think it's more spammy than UT2k3.
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1- Don't call people Newbies and then decline their challenge in a real FPS. It makes you look weak.

2- Don't make excuses as to why you suck at UT2K3

3- UT was FAR MORE spammable then UT2k3.

4- Stop flaming everyone who enjoys using the saber, if you like guns that's great, if you like sabers thats cool too.

5- if you live around Washington DC get me a freakin coffee, I'm in dire need of caffine!


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Yeah ok, I never played UT. With the sniper rifle that maxed ammo was 50 bullets and you could just hold down the attack button and it'd keep firing uninterupted. Or the rocket launcher where you could continuously load 5 rockets at a time to launch them. Or the minigun, that you just touch attack and it fires uninterupted. Or the translocator that you could fly across the board without interuption as well. Yeah I never played it GEEZus. STFU noob. You're so full of crap it's pathetic. We're tired of you so-called "elite" running your mouths. Go away. You have no clue wtf you're talking about. UT2K3 was designed to limit the spammability of the previous weapons moron. Play the two again. I've made valid points that show the differences in the weapons between the two games, you've shown nothing but the crap spewing out of your pie-hole.
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3. Funny how with all the clans we've scrimmed in sabers only CTF not once has there been a 0-0 tie for any length of time outside of maybe 5 minutes on Yavin.

Saber only CTF eh? I don't know what version you are playing but if your team wishes to try its luck at some 1.02 saber only CTF, my clan will be more then happy to schedule a match.

We are VERY good at saber only CTF and would love a new challenge.


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FatalStrike, alas as the patches have come so have we updated our styles. 1.02 was hella fun saber only ctf. But as we've been playing 1.04 since it's release steadilly, it would probably be awhile before we could scrim. If you have patch commander, and can play 1.04 at all (I just reinstalled, will get patch commander and check out your server if you post it) come check us out on our server.
66.150.29.215:27982 It's located in Atlanta through Gaminghost.com.
We have some unique settings that force people to play more team oriented. We took out all health and shields forcing people to use Team Heal and Team Energize more. Check us out. And if you'll post yours I'll come and check you guys out. Damn it's been a long while since I've played 1.02. Oh and thanks for agreeing with me, finally someone aside of this little "elite" clique with the knowledge of other FPS's speaks up supporting what I've said.
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I'll see if I can grab some of my clan mates and get up to check you guys out. Our server is up only at certain times and I don't even know the IP address. But you are welcome to hit our website. www.clansm.tk


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Yeah ok, I never played UT. With the sniper rifle that maxed ammo was 50 bullets and you could just hold down the attack button and it'd keep firing uninterupted. Or the rocket launcher where you could continuously load 5 rockets at a time to launch them. Or the minigun, that you just touch attack and it fires uninterupted. Or the translocator that you could fly across the board without interuption as well. Yeah I never played it GEEZus. STFU noob. You're so full of crap it's pathetic. We're tired of you so-called "elite" running your mouths. Go away. You have no clue wtf you're talking about. UT2K3 was designed to limit the spammability of the previous weapons moron. Play the two again. I've made valid points that show the differences in the weapons between the two games, you've shown nothing but the crap spewing out of your pie-hole.
Most original UT players that tried UT2k3 would laugh at your post. The majority know epic didn't get UT2k3 completely right. Yeah it's a good new game, but the deathmatch style of play just isn't right. I tried it out in the demo and haven't played since. Oh and you **** talkers that automatically assume I suck because I don't play 1vs1 or DM consistently should play me in a BR or CTF match we'll determine what you say after that. Basically your telling me to play a mode I don't even play so how about I do the same how about you play me 1 vs 1 FF or NF guns jk2? Makes no sense for a dueler or whatever you are to play that mode eh.
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fallenone what lans have u attended/won?? being in a clan means nothing

the fact that 2k3 may be less spammy than UT doesnt change the fact that its spammy

and it can be argued that any game is spammy

if u know how to play tho its obviously not

hence why most of the good gunners in jk2 it isnt spam at all

and most good 2k3 players arent spamming

UT and UT2k3 just makes the spam easier

and no jk2 doesnt at all since after 5 shots NO AMMO because of whining babies like urself

the lightsaber was put in this game to appeal to the masses not guns moron
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i challenge u to yahoo goldfish fallenone

i am from the infamous CAT STRIKER FISH CLAN

we were #1 FISH goldfish ladder for like 4 years undefeated
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