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Old 08-12-2002, 10:02 AM   #121
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Ive found a great pic of his face!

http://movieweb.com/movie/starwars2/co2.jpg
As you can see in the comparison pic here:http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/anakin_2.jpg

your model is making him look a bit too old. He hasnt yet got a jaw that long and low - its still pretty high up. And his nose is also sticking out to much, in the picture, his nose starts further in as it rolls off his eye socket and thn folows your shape. And the end isnt really sticking out that much either. Once you tweak these it will look PERFECT.

Hope that helps.

EDIT: Also his chin isnt that big and doesnt have that much of a dent in it. For the size of it, you may aswell not put it in as it makes it look a bit weird.


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Old 08-12-2002, 10:15 AM   #122
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actually what might help is make the chin area wider, because you can see the line in the anakin2 pic of the jawline, and it isn't far off from the photo, but between the two, other than the fact one is looking more at an angle(photo), it might help a little if the chin area was widened (just a tad), but that's only for those who want it to look really good, or better Ishould say.. Its already looks great. Keep up the good work tercero.


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Old 08-12-2002, 10:42 AM   #123
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You can also see that his cheek bones are another facial feature that is missing as well. So, you might want to do some shading to bring out the cheek bones.
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Old 08-12-2002, 10:55 AM   #124
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Old 08-12-2002, 01:47 PM   #125
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Tercero - some people have been asking me to drop in here and offer my help skinning this model. I have done the old Anakin skin based on Galak, which was rather popular, and, until the project was more or less dropped, was in charge of skinning Librarian's Anakin model.

If you would like help with skinning, particularly the face, I am more than willing to help you out. But again, only if you want me to. I don't want to intrude or take your work away from you, so if you don't want my help, just say so. But if you do, I'll gladly help.
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Old 08-12-2002, 08:04 PM   #126
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Tercero, your latest pic (Anakin10) is just about right. You could leave it like that and be fine. However, if you are a perfectionist, I believe if you move in the cheeks even more, and the temples a little more it will be perfect.


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Old 08-12-2002, 09:53 PM   #127
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Keo, thanks for the feedback - heh you got to see Anakin10 before it was even posted - I tried to do it before work, but the forums were down so here it is...

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin10.txt

or if that's down, try

http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin10.txt

As far as the perfectionsist thing, I'm guilty as charged. I'll probably still be working on this model long after it is released.

Elessil - I do appreciate the offer, but I UVmap my models as they go, using this to line up textures on the fly, and having someone else skin it would take this ability away. I would however really appreciate it if you did some skins of other jedi or even another Anakin skin once the model's UV's are finished, so just tell me the format you want it in and I'll send it to you when it's finished.

Thanks for all the support, and keep the feedback coming!
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Old 08-12-2002, 10:21 PM   #128
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DAMN, that looks awesome, keep up the good work... this is quite possable one of the best looking models I have ever seen... (Believe me, Ive seen them all and have every model released )
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Old 08-12-2002, 10:31 PM   #129
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pure rawness thats all i gotta say rawness and nuttage thats the first actual good looking anakin ive seen all the others were just easier made skins. uve done a really great job i wanna know will this one have custom taunts too?
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Old 08-12-2002, 10:43 PM   #130
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Great job, Tercero! Keep it up!

The only complaint I have is that it seems a bit wide/chunky for Anakin's face...



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Old 08-12-2002, 10:57 PM   #131
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Looks great Tercero Very good resemblence

If your still looking for help getting him in game let me know. I've gotten 4 models into JO thus far and am rather familiar with the process (only Count Dooku has been released so far)

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Old 08-12-2002, 10:59 PM   #132
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I think the hair still looks a little bit fro-ish, but the texture is awesome, and it looks great!


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Old 08-12-2002, 11:16 PM   #133
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But if you look at the pictures of Anakin, his hair doesn't exactly lay flat on his head, so the hair being like that is actually a better representation of his hair. But the Hair and face look absolutely AWESOME Tercero...


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Old 08-12-2002, 11:16 PM   #134
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Toonces - I'd really appreciate it if you'd help me get this puppy in game - it'll be a while before I get it finshed, but if it would help with bone weighting or anything, I could send you the unfinished version so you can start playing with it.

Oh, as far as sounds, Deetox sent me a great soundpack with 3 custom taunts. The audio quality isn't perfect, but I might be able to clean it up a bit. The hit and jump sounds are really good - they'll probably wind up in the final model without much alteration.

I'm going to try to finish tweaking the head in a day or so, and then I'll move on to skinning the body and finishing up modeling his accessories.

Oh, and if anyone knows of some good, easy to follow shader tutorials, I'd really appreciat a link. I have an idea of what I can do with shaders from texturing render projects, but I'm not quite up to snuff on how Q3 engine handles them.

If I figure them out well enough, I might also release a couple saber models that are pretty shader heavy (reflections, lights, bells and whistles, etc...) -namely the ones he used against Dooku in the movie, as well as his own.

Keep the feedback coming - it's really starting to shape up!
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Old 08-12-2002, 11:29 PM   #135
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Ya i am sorry about the quality of some of the sounds but it couldn't be avoided, the only source i have is a bootleg of AOTC. There likely won't be a better source until the DVD comes out.
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Old 08-12-2002, 11:52 PM   #136
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How Very Intereting....

Shaders on a skin, eh, Tercero... You ARE a perfectionist What kinds of shaders you thinking about doing Tercero? Also, could you do some work with the braid, just so he can look ever more like the padawan Anakin The model looks fantastic..


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Old 08-12-2002, 11:52 PM   #137
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ehh, you get what you can get , dont woory too much bout sounds, you can always make a v2 release with custom sounds


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Old 08-12-2002, 11:54 PM   #138
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oh, has anyone ever thought about doing a model of anakin as he is seen has a padawan at the end of episode 1? Using jedimod you could scale him to be a tad bigger then yoda. Just an idea...


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Old 08-12-2002, 11:58 PM   #139
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sure, just take this anakin, lop him off at the knees, add feet, lop his arms off at the elbow, add hands, give him a haircut, bleach his hair a little.. Voila, Anakin!!! lol (End Sarcasm)


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Old 08-13-2002, 01:32 AM   #140
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Andy, for one I want to do shaders on the leather to make it look a little better - something along the lines of Vader's helmet in SithlordII and Cheshire's model. I might also do some on the belt, to make the belt clasp, food capsules, and pouches stand out a bit more. Maybe also on the boots - something like the leather one. The textures are small, so it shouldn't be too big a deal on hardware performance. Oh, and as far as the braid, it'll probably be one of the next things I work on.

Heh heh - with a little dismemberment, you'd have your kid Anakin - what was that server variable again?

As far as saber shaders, I was thinking about making it shiny, and having the little lights on it light up (the power indicator).

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Ah, well - back to work for me... he will be the most photo-realistic jedi model ever!

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Old 08-13-2002, 01:44 AM   #141
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Looks really awesome! Keep up the great work! I'm starting to believe that there would be not the slightest detail for me to change, anyway!

Just one thing, I'd suggest saturating his hair a little more. The brightness looks about right, but it looks a bit grayish.

If you need any reference shots of head and costume, I uplaoded some for you on my webspace:


http://elessil.members.easyspace.com/anakinref

All shots are from the original costume/actor, except costume10, which is a fan made costume, but I believe it has very good detail.
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Old 08-13-2002, 02:25 AM   #142
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most photo-realistic?

http://members.cox.net/misterpunch/PloKoon.htm

now you have a challenge, j/j, GREAT MODEL! cant wait till ur done!
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Old 08-13-2002, 02:44 AM   #143
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It's all good Tercero, I'd be happy to help you out If the model itself is uvmaped I can segment it and begin to rig it for JKII. If you havent finished the uvmaping yet it's probly best to wait till your a little further along to do all that because the uvmaping often removes the settings in the skin modifier

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Old 08-13-2002, 03:15 AM   #144
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most photo-realistic?

http://members.cox.net/misterpunch/PloKoon.htm

now you have a challenge, j/j, GREAT MODEL! cant wait till ur done!
Lol enjoi, sorry to burst your bubble but. That isnt the final skin for plokoon, it was just a test using photos of plokoon, photo manipulation test. See not to be mean or anything and of course no offense, but if you were around when he first did that (misterpunch) he stated it was just a test. His texture artist friend is doing the real skin. Heh we have yet to see it. And torecero, great job man looks good. This is one of those few models that bare great resemblence towards their countparts.
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Old 08-13-2002, 03:19 AM   #145
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Toonces - did you need anything specific done to help you get it in game - UV's named anything in particular or anything like that? If you do, just drop me a post. I probably won't be done the UV maps until I'm done the textures. I often tweak them as I go to align textures, rather than spend all day messing around with the .tga files, so they won't be finished until the textures are. That's part of the reason I said you had a wait ahead of you... it'll be a while before he's ready for you...

Also, there were a few things I had some concerns about while I was building the model. I'l need to get back with you further along to address some possible animation issues (I'm mainly worried about the flaps by his legs...)

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Old 08-13-2002, 04:12 AM   #146
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Looks great so far. I am not sure if you are going for the photorealistic look, or something a little more cartoonish, but you might want to add more detail to the skin. He has got a slight mole on his chin, and his complexion just does not look totally natural at this point. If you check out the first Anakin model and skin that is in the forum, you will see what I mean. I also think his head needs to be a a little smaller. Either that, or widen the sholders of his tunic a little more. There should be a bit of a flap wher his shoulder joins his arm.
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Old 08-13-2002, 07:16 AM   #147
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If I figure them out well enough, I might also release a couple saber models that are pretty shader heavy (reflections, lights, bells and whistles, etc...) -namely the ones he used against Dooku in the movie, as well as his own.
His own lightsaber has has been released by Alaris. and i have to say that i reckon it would be very hard to improve on it.

Howver the two he fought dooku with have not been made yet.

if you look here: http://www.thelightsaber.com/history1.htm it has reference pictures of the two he used
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Old 08-13-2002, 09:18 AM   #148
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Actually Darth-Nasty, the 2 sabers listed are in fact the same lightsaber, they just showed it again to show people how it looked after it was cut in the Geonosian Droid Factory..But keep up the good work Tercero. I know whatever you release will be a big hit with the JO community.


Oops, missed them, I kind of remembered right before I saw them that anakin had one that closely resembled his final one as Lord Vader.


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Old 08-13-2002, 10:32 AM   #149
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no under that there are two lightsabers (one green, one blue) those are the ones used in the fight with dooku

they are completly different to his original one as he got one from some jedi after escaping the execution and the other is obi wans replacement one.
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Lol enjoi, sorry to burst your bubble but. That isnt the final skin for plokoon, it was just a test using photos of plokoon, photo manipulation test. See not to be mean or anything and of course no offense, but if you were around when he first did that (misterpunch) he stated it was just a test. His texture artist friend is doing the real skin. Heh we have yet to see it. And torecero, great job man looks good. This is one of those few models that bare great resemblence towards their countparts.
if that was just a test, imagine what the final will look like :P
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Old 08-13-2002, 05:03 PM   #151
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Tercero, I'll send you a PM with my e-mail addy and you can send me the mesh if you want. I can rig him and send him back to you with a glm. Thoes flaps on the legs shouldnt be too much of a problem. I would try and line up the verts on the flaps with the parts of the body they cover, that'll make the clipping issues much easier to deal with.

I admire the fact that your taking the time to get the head perfect as it's extremely difficult to do, he really looks great thus far

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Old 08-13-2002, 06:49 PM   #152
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Hey - I've got the next screenie!
I've tweaked a good bit since the last one, but most of the tweaks are getting pretty small. I also added a bit more hair, and he has ears now Here are the links:

http://www.geocities.com/tercero_bootleg/anakin11.txt

ANd if that doesn't work, try this one:
http://www.geocities.com/anakin_tercero/anakin11.txt

Keep the feedback coming - I want to get it perfect before I move on to the next part - even the smallest details will be appreciated!

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Old 08-13-2002, 07:02 PM   #153
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its looking awsome Ter, I have one question tho, are the packs on his belt (food caps and pack) going to be 3d as in modeled or are they going to be just textures? Personaly I think it would look better as a 3d object.

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All I would say is that his nose should be a tad bit shorter in length. Should you choose to shorten it, I would suggest moving his lips and chin up with it. Also his lips may be even less wide. Unbelievable work.

Otherwise, its color that needs to be perfected. I think his eyes are brown as opposed to blue.


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that looks amazing, but the nose still seems a little big.


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All I would say is that his nose should be a tad bit shorter in length. Should you choose to shorten it, I would suggest moving his lips and chin up with it. Also his lips may be even less wide. Unbelievable work.

Otherwise, its color that needs to be perfected. I think his eyes are brown as opposed to blue.
Anakin's eyes are blue according to this image:

http://www.vengeance-unlimited.org/J...Wan_Anakin.jpg
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I guess they are. A darker blue though it seems. All the shots I've seen they looked brown.


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Thanks for the quick replies - Keo, I'm shortening the nose right now - and the jaw and lips with it as you said.

ReIIik, the pouches will be modelled on - they're too bulky to make them look good otherwise. The food capsules and saber clip will be textured on however. I originally thought to model them on too, but it would be too costly as far as polys - they wound up looking better than I expected skinned on too - (see some of my earlier posts for refence - the belt hasn't changed much yet. With a little help from some shaders, they should look just as good as if I had modeled them.

As far as the pouches themselves, I still have yet to build them. I'm waiting on getting some better reference material to start making them - all the shots I have of them are angled kinda funny...

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Oh, as far as his eyes, Hayden's eyes are brown, but he wore blue contacts for the film - Jake Lloyd had blue eyes and they wanted to keep the continuity for the films.

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