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Old 11-13-2002, 01:24 AM   #1
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Dooku could've taken yoda out!!!!

he could have easily taken yoda out after he used the force to knock over that pillar onto anakin and obiwan!!


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Old 11-13-2002, 02:40 AM   #2
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No he couldnt.

1. Important role- Since we know Yoda is in the future(story-wise) movies, he cannot be killed in anyway,so he gets a Anagontist-type forcefields.

2. Small size- Yoda's small size makes him harder to hit, giving him an advantage.




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Old 11-13-2002, 08:07 AM   #3
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Re: Dooku could've taken yoda out!!!!

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he could have easily taken yoda out after he used the force to knock over that pillar onto anakin and obiwan!!
I see what you are saying, I thought that too. Why didn't he attack him while he was saving Obi and Ani?

I think Dooku's first priority was escape, that is what was on his agenda from the begining. Getting the death star plans back to Sideous was more important than battling it out with Yoda. He saw his opportunity to escape and used it, and I think he realised that he would not be able to defeat Yoda anyway, so continuing to fight him was pointless.


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Old 11-13-2002, 01:06 PM   #4
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I think Dooku was afraid that Yoda would've decided to play a little game of baseball, using him as the ball and that cooling tower as the bat



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Old 11-13-2002, 06:52 PM   #5
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I really hope that you don't seriously think that Dooku could have beaten Yoda, cuz that would just be sad.
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Old 11-13-2002, 07:46 PM   #6
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Oh man, i was just thinking when i watch ep 2 the other day it would've been awesome if yoda would've smashed dookus ship with the big ol pillar!

Dooku could NOT have taken yoda. Dooku ran because he realized that Yoda was about to go SUPER kung foo on him and rip him into tiny tiny pieces.



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Old 11-13-2002, 10:38 PM   #7
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dooku didn't kill obiwan although he could have, same with anakin. I think he'll turn out betraying sidious in some way, and getting killed by anakin. something like that. heh


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Old 11-13-2002, 11:17 PM   #8
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But dooku was GOING to kill obiwan. He had his saber raised ready to strike the killing blow, it was anakins huge leap that saved obiwans life.



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Old 11-14-2002, 12:35 AM   #9
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I think Yoda was ready to finsih Dooku when he says something like "fought well you have Dooku." Yoda was ready to be done with it.......IMO.


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Old 11-14-2002, 01:12 AM   #10
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i can't believe i forgot about that part when anakin saves obi11!!!!

why do i post when i'm not thinking clearly?


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Old 11-14-2002, 01:20 AM   #11
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I don't know. Why do you post?

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Dooku had to leave before he was going to get his a$$ kicked.


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Old 11-14-2002, 01:33 PM   #12
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He was like a miniture Darth Maul. He did so many jumps and spins. I wonder what he would be like if he had a Sith Lightsaber.


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Old 11-14-2002, 06:16 PM   #13
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Yoda never "owned" Dooku in any way, after my opinion they fought nearly eaqually good, Yoda just was a bit more offensive and quick thats all

And starwars.com agrees with me:

"The Jedi Master Yoda confronted Dooku. The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other. It came down to a contest of lightsabers. In a blurring tangle of speed and light, the two masters of the Force dueled. Unable to find an advantage, Dooku distracted Yoda by endangering Kenobi and Skywalker with a toppling crane. As Yoda used the Force to save his fellow Jedi, Dooku fled. "
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Old 11-15-2002, 12:36 AM   #14
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I personally feel, like Leemu said, that yoda was getting ready to finish dooku, when he said "fought well you have, my old padawan" He's insinuating that the fight is about to end, becasue yoda's gonna pull out all the stops and cut him to ribbons.



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Old 11-15-2002, 12:59 AM   #15
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Yoda never "owned" Dooku in any way, after my opinion they fought nearly eaqually good, Yoda just was a bit more offensive and quick thats all

And starwars.com agrees with me:

"The Jedi Master Yoda confronted Dooku. The two engaged in a titanic struggle of Force powers, neither besting the other. It came down to a contest of lightsabers. In a blurring tangle of speed and light, the two masters of the Force dueled. Unable to find an advantage, Dooku distracted Yoda by endangering Kenobi and Skywalker with a toppling crane. As Yoda used the Force to save his fellow Jedi, Dooku fled. "
How does starwars.com back you up? Neither bested eachother in their use of the Force, but when it came down to lightsabers, Dooku couldn't get the advantage, meaning he was getting "owned".



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Old 11-15-2002, 01:03 AM   #16
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Don't get me started 15!!


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Old 11-15-2002, 09:48 AM   #17
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How does starwars.com back you up? Neither bested eachother in their use of the Force, but when it came down to lightsabers, Dooku couldn't get the advantage, meaning he was getting "owned".

Well I guess thats just different ways of reading it.

But Yoda did not own Dooku in the battle, both fought really good. You can see that if you watch the battle again
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Old 11-15-2002, 01:16 PM   #18
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Well I guess thats just different ways of reading it.

But Yoda did not own Dooku in the battle, both fought really good. You can see that if you watch the battle again
Jedi fight defensively so Yoda was easily holding Dooku at bay fighting defensively. Once Yoda decided to end it, it would have been over.

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Old 11-15-2002, 01:27 PM   #19
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also, don't forget that Yoda did not use his force powers for offence, only defence. Dooku used the force to through things at Yoda, but instead of throwing them back at Dooku, he just forced them out the way. I know it is not the Jedi way to use the force for offence, but if Yoda had, the battle would of been over very fast indeed.


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Old 11-15-2002, 01:35 PM   #20
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Objects, yes, but he did throw force lightning back at Dooku...

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Old 11-16-2002, 02:49 AM   #21
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Actually Yoda did not throw it back at him. He simply deflected it back like Darth Vader did to Han when Solo started shooting at him at Bespin.


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Old 11-16-2002, 06:57 AM   #22
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Yes, and Yoda absorbed the last volley. I wonder if that gave him the strength to fight like that?

However, Count Dooku would have beated Yoda if the duel had gone on longer. Yoda has size on his side, granted, but if you watch carefully the better swordsman is actually Dooku. All Yoda does is spin himself around in a tornado, whereas Dooku is using less movement and more skill with the lightsaber. If the duel continued, the Count could have defeated the short little Jedi.

Plus he could have caught Yoda off-guard with that Force lightning, then he would have won. If Yoda didn't deflect the lightning away, then it would probably knock him down.

Count Dooku has the better weapon, Force powers and lightsaber skill. Of course he would have beaten Yoda if the duel continued.


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Old 11-16-2002, 10:03 AM   #23
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i think dooku could have killed yoda when he was busy savin obi-anakin. but i think it was somethin about the honor, u dont kill anybody who is unable to defend himself.
still good in dooku, there could be
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Old 11-17-2002, 11:17 PM   #24
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If dooku would've tried anything with Yoda after knocking over the cooling tower Yoda would've swung it around and smashed poor dookie flat. OR he would've started flipping around avoiding all of dooku's attacks WHILE suspending the tower in the air. And then yoda would've been mad and would have killed Dooku once and for all. Dooku could not have killed yoda had that fight gone on longer. Dooku fled for precisely that reason. He knew he was going to lose and either get captured or killed. So he created a diversion and ran away.



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Old 11-18-2002, 11:50 AM   #25
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Erm... Yoda could not have flipped around the room while suspending the tower above Obi-Wan and Anakin! Look at the expression and listen to Yoda while he uses the Force: it takes effort, and he does not have the strength to jump around the hangar while holding a tower in place.

Yoda didn't simply stop the tower, he needed time to focus and bring the structure to a stop. Even when he had, it took more effort to throw the tower away. Leaping, holding the tower in place and concentrating on Count Dooku's attacks would have been impossible, even for Yoda.

Count Dooku is Yoda's dark equal. The duel would not have ended for a long while if Dooku didn't need to escape and get to Coruscant. Dooku did not flee because he realised that Yoda would have beaten him. He escaped because his loyalty to his master meant that continuing the duel would have placed the Death Star plans in danger.

While I'm here, ET Warrior, I will bring up the Death Star matter: do you still think that the Geonosians won't build the battle station? Well, listening to Poggle the Lesser...
"We cannot let the Jedi discover what we are planning to build."
This is basically the leader of the Geonosians saying "We are going to build the Death Star", and means that in Episode III the insectiod race will construct the Empire's terror weapon.


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Old 11-18-2002, 05:57 PM   #26
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Also, you forget that the Force Lightning is hazardous to one's health, so when Yoda absorbed it, it in fact, hurt him a little. Maybe not much. What's weird is that yoda had no problem moving the X-Wing when he is 900 yrds old, yet he struggled to move the tower, which in theory, probably didn't weigh as much, but also consider that Yoda said that the X-wing was only to big in one's mind. So Size, according to yoda, doesn't really have much affect to an extent.


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Old 11-19-2002, 12:48 AM   #27
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Well, the Tower had inertia and momentum driving it downwards which yoda had to overcome, and he'd also just used the force extensively to fight that battle. he was a bit tired. No matter what you say or what logic you use against me, Yoda would have eaten dooku for breakfast and spat him out on a plate without even worrying. He was toying with dooku for the entire duel.



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Also, you forget that the Force Lightning is hazardous to one's health, so when Yoda absorbed it, it in fact, hurt him a little.
I interpreted that scene as Yoda breaking the lightning down into raw Force energy which he added to his own energy well, thus it's no longer destructive Force lightning, but an energising Force boost.

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What's weird is that yoda had no problem moving the X-Wing when he is 900 yrds old, yet he struggled to move the tower, which in theory, probably didn't weigh as much, but also consider that Yoda said that the X-wing was only to big in one's mind.
Yoda did have to concentrate quite a bit to lift Luke's X-Wing. If Yoda's face looked a little more scrunched than it did then, it was because the situation was far more urgent. Yoda says that the only limits to using the Force is what you believe. Luke failed because he didn't believe he could do it. It's not a physical effort, but it's still an effort. It's bending your will, forcing yourself to have enough faith to believe that you can lift that X-Wing, or that cooling tower. It's a parallel with Jesus telling his deciples that if they had faith "the size of a mustard seed" they could tell the moutains to move, and they would move.



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Old 11-22-2002, 07:08 PM   #29
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However, Count Dooku would have beated Yoda if the duel had gone on longer. Yoda has size on his side, granted, but if you watch carefully the better swordsman is actually Dooku. All Yoda does is spin himself around in a tornado, whereas Dooku is using less movement and more skill with the lightsaber. If the duel continued, the Count could have defeated the short little Jedi.
While whirling around, Yoda was devastating Dooku's defenses. At the end of the battle, you could see that Dooku was tired and was barely able to defend against Yoda's assault. Meanwhile, Yoda was energized and ready to decapitate Dooku.

At the beginning of the battle, Dooku was able to deflect almost all of Yoda's blows. However, as the battle went on, Dooku began to swing off target, and his posture became purely defensive. Yoda was slowly wearing him away, and was prepared to destroy him when Dooku retreated.

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Plus he could have caught Yoda off-guard with that Force lightning, then he would have won. If Yoda didn't deflect the lightning away, then it would probably knock him down.
Yoda was able to put his hand and absorb / deflect all of the lightning Dooku threw at him. He had no trouble at all, and could have gone on doing it all day. Besides, Dooku was immobilized while using force lightning, so it was virtually worthless.

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Count Dooku has the better weapon, Force powers and lightsaber skill. Of course he would have beaten Yoda if the duel continued.
Yoda outclasses Dooku in knowledge of the force, and is a more powerful and aggressive swordsman.

While Dooku can only deflect Force Lightning with little control, Yoda can absorb it, deflect it, or fire it right back. I'm willing to be that Yoda could have used Force Lightning alone to kill Dooku, should he have chosen to. Yoda also exhibited superior force control when he halted the descent of the pillar. If you study Dooku's movement and facial expression, it is clear that he acknowledges his inability to accomplish the same feat as he watches Yoda cast aside the column.

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Erm... Yoda could not have flipped around the room while suspending the tower above Obi-Wan and Anakin! Look at the expression and listen to Yoda while he uses the Force: it takes effort, and he does not have the strength to jump around the hangar while holding a tower in place.
I'm sure Yoda could have violently tossed the column away in a pinch, and then dodged any attack. However, that would have taken considerable effort, and would expend his strength.

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Count Dooku is Yoda's dark equal.
Dooku is not as powerful as Yoda. He is in the same elite class, perhaps, but Yoda is more powerful. Yoda exhibits superior swordsmanship and force skills, though only the former would make a significant impact on a pitched battle.

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The duel would not have ended for a long while if Dooku didn't need to escape and get to Coruscant.
I don't think so. Yoda acted like he was ready to obliterate Dooku at the end, and only out of caring for his compatriots did Yoda abandon this intent.

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He escaped because his loyalty to his master meant that continuing the duel would have placed the Death Star plans in danger.
Dooku was certainly ready to fight Yoda at the beginning, with little concern for the plans. It was only when Yoda signaled the battle was over that he escaped. He could have left any time before then, but chose not to.


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Old 11-22-2002, 08:09 PM   #30
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Agree with the new one, i do.

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Old 11-23-2002, 01:20 AM   #31
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REMEMBER YODA IS ABOUT 8 OR 9 HUNDRED YEARS OLD
SO GIVE HIM SOME CREDIT

I PERSONALLY THINK YODA WOULD HAVE WHIPPED SOME DOOKU ASS

BUT WELL ITS JUST WHAT I THINK WOULD HAVE HAPPENED
WE WILL NEVER KNOW UNLESS THE FIGHT CONTINUES IN EP.3

(I THINK ANY WILL KILL DOOKU TO TAKE THE RIGHTFUL PLACE BESIDE SIDEOUS
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Old 11-23-2002, 08:27 AM   #32
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You make a convincing argument for a new member, PowerBroker. Congratulations.

However, I still think that Count Dooku would have won the duel if it continued, I still think Count Dooku has the better weapons and Force powers and I still think that Count Dooku is as powerful as Yoda, if not more.

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Old 11-23-2002, 09:02 AM   #33
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actually he couldnt have killled yoda because hes in ep 4,5,6
and why would dooku drop the piller unless he was winning?


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Old 11-23-2002, 09:12 AM   #34
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You make a convincing argument for a new member, PowerBroker. Congratulations.
I try my best. Though I must say, I came here merely out of interest for Star Wars, and I'm rather tired of the constant debating I participate in in other forums.

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I still think Count Dooku has the better weapons and Force powers
His lightsaber appears to be equivalent to Yoda's, with the curved handle being the only difference. Perhaps you will counter that his use a different crystal or what-not, but remember, only the movies are canon. No guide or other fiction (even an officially licensed source) should be considered canon, and the makers of the movie agree with me.

As for his force powers, the only reason Yoda doesn't blast him with force lightning is because force lightning is a dark power, and I doubt Yoda would want to tread the fine line between the dark and light sides like Obi-wan did in Episode One. Yoda exhibited an ability to target and absorb the force power thrown at him, and ability Dooku couldn't match (he could only deflect the lightning away from him).

But I think that this is a tired argument, and I doubt debating it over and over again will change anyone's mind.


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Opinion. His force powers weren't fully advanced yet, a telltale sign of which was his lightning (compare his and Palpatine's).


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Old 11-23-2002, 01:51 PM   #36
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"It is obvious that this contest cannot be solved by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber."



Face it: Count Dooku could have 'taken Yoda out' in the duel (I prefer to say 'destroy Yoda', but I am using the thread title here), and if it did continue then the Count would have emerged victorious by killing the Jedi Master (I know people will say that Yoda comes back in the original trilogy, but I am speaking hypothetically). End of story.


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But then you have to consider the facts that it takes more than "skills with the lightsaber" to defeat a Jedi Master, especially Yoda. If Obi-Wan and Anakin werent there, yoda would not have held back, he would have easily defeated Dooku Because A) The Sith Lighting is supposedly the Sith's ultimate Power, yet Yoda was not only able to absorb without any real difficulty, but that he was also able to deflect it back at Dooku, which means that the Lightning was't strong enough to overcome Yoda's connection with the Force. Yoda May not have been the greatest lightsaber master, as say Windu, but he certainly would have been able to wear Dooku down like he did to wear simple techniques of the Force would have ended Dooku's Life. Yoda May have the greatest connection with the force, but I remember hearing or reading somewhere that Windu was the best Jedi at wielding the Lightsaber.


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Force Lightning isn't a Sith Lord's greatest power. There are some other powers that have not been revelaed yet which beat Lightning and will be used in Episode III. They have not been used yet because they are used on a much bigger scale, say to wipe out several thousand troops.

Yoda may be able to deflect Lightning, but that was only because he concentrated on Dooku's attacks. If he was in the middle of a lightsaber fight with Dooku and the Count used Lightning as a surprise then Yoda would be knocked back. Look how long Anakin was imobalised for! Yoda's size would be a disadvantage here as well, and he would probably be badly wounded. Wounded enough for Dooku to finish him.


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Force Lightning isn't a Sith Lord's greatest power. There are some other powers that have not been revelaed yet which beat Lightning and will be used in Episode III. They have not been used yet because they are used on a much bigger scale, say to wipe out several thousand troops.
Please enlighten me as to these powers.

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Yoda may be able to deflect Lightning, but that was only because he concentrated on Dooku's attacks. If he was in the middle of a lightsaber fight with Dooku and the Count used Lightning as a surprise then Yoda would be knocked back. Look how long Anakin was imobalised for! Yoda's size would be a disadvantage here as well, and he would probably be badly wounded. Wounded enough for Dooku to finish him.
The way Yoda was fighting, I don't think Dooku could have let down his defenses for a second. If he did, he would have been chopped in half. Besides, Anakin was a mere Padawan who knew nothing of the power of force lightning. He was utterly unprepared, and was punished for it.

Also, the same could be said about Yoda. He could have used dark force powers, if he were willing. Yoda was a lot more able to stop force lightning than Dooku was, and I wouldn't be surprised if Dooku was more suceptible to a lightning strike than Yoda was.


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"It is obvious that this contest cannot be solved by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber."
Dooku said this because he knew that anything he dished out, Yoda could void. Dooku was admitting defeat, not saying he was as good as. And Yoda's lived for 800 years, and in that time he's probably learned every form of lightsaber dueling. Yoda's style was a culmination of all of the styles... and when you're using a pure form, like Dooku, having someone who can switch styles on a dime can really throw you off. Despite what you think, Dooku was wearing down while Yoda was still jumping around. Yoda didn't show weariness until he released the Force.

Yoda is the most powerful Jedi. His midichlorian levels are second only to Anakin (whatever that means), and he's lived lone enough to learn all of the nuances of the Force. He knows the Force in a way Dooku cannot unless he lived another eight centuries. By the end of their little Force duel, he knew that anything he threw at Yoda, Yoda would have no trouble stopping. He felt a little more confident with a lightsaber, but Yoda was thoroughly beating him. "Fought well you have, my old Padawan." But now it ends.



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