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Old 11-23-2002, 07:05 PM   #41
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His midichlorian levels are second only to Anakin (whatever that means)
Actually, you cannot state that. Luke's midi-chlorian levels were never tested, and thus it is possible he trumps Yoda. As for what midi-chlorians do, they enable a Jedi / Sith to use the force. The more you have, the better your force skills are.


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Old 11-23-2002, 07:15 PM   #42
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i don't where they got their information or how accurate it is

http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/midi.html

but here's a list of midi-chlorian levels
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Old 11-23-2002, 08:32 PM   #43
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Actually, you cannot state that. Luke's midi-chlorian levels were never tested, and thus it is possible he trumps Yoda.
I intended to mean my comment for just characters in the prequels. At this time, Yoda has the most midichlorians, more than Dooku, was my point. But you're right, I should've been more specific.



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Old 11-24-2002, 03:04 AM   #44
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Force Lightning isn't a Sith Lord's greatest power. There are some other powers that have not been revelaed yet which beat Lightning and will be used in Episode III. They have not been used yet because they are used on a much bigger scale, say to wipe out several thousand troops.
I would truly like to see where you get all this inside info dooku. I mean, George hasn't even finished the script for the movie yet, hasn't started casting, but you seem to know all about episode 3.....
I think lightning IS a sith lord's greatest power, i doubt we'll see them do anything other than that.

You are still neglecting one major fact of the battle dooku, Yoda's quote. "Fought well you have, my old padawan" He speaks as though the fight is over now, meaning that Yoda is confident of victory, it is this tone that causes dooku to create a diversion and run away with his tail between his legs.



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Old 11-24-2002, 04:42 AM   #45
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lies

he knocked down the pillar
so he could run away

like the guys in monty pythom running from the crazy devil rabbit

and if he had the ability to kill yoda
HE WOULD HAVE!

THAT OLD FART JUST SUCKS AND YOU KNOW IT!
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Old 11-24-2002, 05:29 AM   #46
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monty python guys

the monty python guys only run from the rabbit to get the holy hand grenade dude


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Old 11-24-2002, 10:53 AM   #47
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i don't where they got their information or how accurate it is

http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/midi.html

but here's a list of midi-chlorian levels
That is not canon, and should not enter into a discussion on a scene in the movies.


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Old 11-24-2002, 11:59 AM   #48
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a little off-topic, but this has been bugging me for a while.

Why Dooku knocks down the tower on Aniken and Obi, why doesn't Yoda just force-push Ani and Obi out of the way. Or, better yet, why didn't the two idiots just ROLL!!!!!!

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Old 11-24-2002, 12:11 PM   #49
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Why Dooku knocks down the tower on Aniken and Obi, why doesn't Yoda just force-push Ani and Obi out of the way.
Maybe he doesn't want to hurt them. Maybe he wants to show off his leet force skills.

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Or, better yet, why didn't the two idiots just ROLL!!!!!!
Could you roll if you had your arm cut off and were extremely weak? Or how about having a hole in your leg?


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Old 11-24-2002, 01:00 PM   #50
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After Dooku is dead, Both Ani and Obi get up and walk around (sure, with a little help)!


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Old 11-24-2002, 01:13 PM   #51
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Oh man, i was just thinking when i watch ep 2 the other day it would've been awesome if yoda would've smashed dookus ship with the big ol pillar!

Dooku could NOT have taken yoda. Dooku ran because he realized that Yoda was about to go SUPER kung foo on him and rip him into tiny tiny pieces.
You've got it ET Warrior i was just thinking that too i just got done watching ep 2 and it would've been totally awesome for yoda to have done that but then how would Darth Sideous a.k.a. Chancellor Palpatine have gotten the plans for the original Death Star for Episode V A New Hope? it stinks that what we would want to have happen can't happen cause of what happened during Luke Skywalkers run in the star wars movies!!!!!!



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Old 11-24-2002, 01:20 PM   #52
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It's quite true plo koon 27. First off, let me welcome you to the forums, secondly, let me congradulate you on having the very cool name of the greatest jedi in the universe.



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Old 11-24-2002, 01:21 PM   #53
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Actually, you cannot state that. Luke's midi-chlorian levels were never tested, and thus it is possible he trumps Yoda. As for what midi-chlorians do, they enable a Jedi / Sith to use the force. The more you have, the better your force skills are.
it's said by Master Jinn in Episode I that anikin's midi-chlorian levels were higher than anyone he'd ever seen meaning his was higher than even yoda's and with luke being ani's son that means that luke also had an extremely high level of midi-chlorians maybe even higher than daddy's and maybe luke was the Jedi that was meant to bring the force back into order maybe??????


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Old 11-24-2002, 02:13 PM   #54
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I think lightning IS a sith lord's greatest power, i doubt we'll see them do anything other than that.
Hm... dunno... I'd say that the ability to cloak yourself in the Dark Side and be undetected by your enemies would be a very powerful weapon, as would be the ability to manipulate people... but maybe that's just the politician in me

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he knocked down the pillar
so he could run away

like the guys in monty pythom running from the crazy devil rabbit
That is the best analogy I've ever heard!
"What? Behind the little green midget?"
"It is the little green midget!"
"You silly sot! I soiled my tunic I was so scared!"
"Go on, Dooku, cut his head off..."
"Right! One little-green-midget-kabob coming up--AAAAAHG!"




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Old 11-24-2002, 03:30 PM   #55
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It's quite true plo koon 27. First off, let me welcome you to the forums, secondly, let me congradulate you on having the very cool name of the greatest jedi in the universe.
thank you ET i appreciate the welcome and thank you i love Plo Koon also i wish he'd have more of a role in the movies!



^ wouldn't have been a fair fight (plo koon wouldv'e beat his azz up)


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Old 11-24-2002, 05:13 PM   #56
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maybe luke was the Jedi that was meant to bring the force back into order maybe??????
I doubt it.


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Old 11-24-2002, 06:06 PM   #57
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oooh, looks like powerbroker has dropped some serious logic bombs on count dooku 2, haha, that's awesome, a "noob" (i hate that word) comes in and enlightens everyone in the ways of star wars, haha, that's way cool, plus, dooku was losing, he knew it, so that's why he dropped the pillar, he knew yoda wouldn't let obi-wan and anakin die, so he decided to destract him and RUN AWAY, you lose dooku


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Old 11-24-2002, 06:17 PM   #58
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a "noob" (i hate that word) comes in and enlightens everyone in the ways of star wars
Who is the noob; the one with 300 posts or the one with 3000?

I am new to these forums, sure, but not to debating and web forums in general.

Besides, Dooku poses a strong argument, and, with a little work, could counter my flimsly posits and evidence.


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Old 11-24-2002, 11:25 PM   #59
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noob was in quotation marks, meaning sarcasm, i don't call people noob's or newbies, noobies.... just cuz we don't know how long people had been on these forums before they registered to be able to put their opinions in, i was reading for about 2 months before i registered, i just never felt the need to until june or whenever i did, oh well


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Old 11-28-2002, 09:55 PM   #60
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Also, you forget that the Force Lightning is hazardous to one's health, so when Yoda absorbed it, it in fact, hurt him a little.

Watch the movie again. After he takes that last hit of it, he sighs heavily. Exhaustion or pain...hrmm? Meditate on this, I will
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Old 11-29-2002, 10:36 AM   #61
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Yoda is the most powerful Jedi. His midichlorian levels are second only to Anakin (whatever that means),
what it means is that anikin is more able to access the force than any other jedi or sith lord in the history of the star wars universe more so than even yoda


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Old 11-29-2002, 10:42 AM   #62
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Count Dooku has the better weapon, Force powers and lightsaber skill. Of course he would have beaten Yoda if the duel continued.
get a grip Count Dooku 2! Dooku is nothing more than a baboon with an accent and couldn't beat yoda even if yoda had both hands tied behind his back and standing on one foot! What makes you think that he could have beat yoda? yoda is an over 800 year old jedi master and with all that experience how could dooku beat him? it's implausible impossible and utterly ridiculous to think that he could!


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Old 11-29-2002, 04:44 PM   #63
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the monty python guys only run from the rabbit to get the holy hand grenade dude
Actually, they ran away because, and i quote "That rabbit is dynamite!" They were getting their heads ripped off. had they strayed they all would have died.

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Watch the movie again. After he takes that last hit of it, he sighs heavily. Exhaustion or pain...hrmm? Meditate on this, I will
It is a sigh of disappointment. Yoda is upset because his old padawan has gone to the darkside. He's also sighing as a way of teaching, *sigh* "Much to learn, you still have" He is still being dooku's teacher and master



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Old 11-29-2002, 07:33 PM   #64
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If there is anyone here who denies the fact that Dooku is one of the strongest Jedi in SW, then I think they are wrong. Dooku was about 90 percent of Yoda in power and skill, and he fought great, he defeated Anakin twice, and wasn't this Anakin supposed to be the über Jedi, with all his midichlorians? He turned out to be a spoiled teenager always wanting more attention. Midichlorians isn't all, far from it, without proper training, your MCs are worth very little.

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get a grip Count Dooku 2! Dooku is nothing more than a baboon with an accent and couldn't beat yoda even if yoda had both hands tied behind his back and standing on one foot! What makes you think that he could have beat yoda? yoda is an over 800 year old jedi master and with all that experience how could dooku beat him? it's implausible impossible and utterly ridiculous to think that he could!
I suggest you see the duel between them again, and then you can change your opinions (I hope).

I saw the duel 2 minutes ago, and an analysis of the duel would be that Count Dooku fought very well against him, but even though they were nearly equal, Dooku found no advantage against Yoda, and instead of pointlessy clash away all of Yodas hits, he found it smarter to distract Yoda to get away with the death star plans. starwars.com supports me on this

A more detailed analysis would be that when they clashed together, Dooku first tried to go agressively at Yoda, but instead, it became Yoda who went agressively at Dooku. Dooku was fencing off all Yodas hits, but still couldn't get the advantage over Yoda. This continued after the first saber lock. But then Dooku slowed it a bit down, and Yoda had to jump away to start all over again on his agressive moves. But not long after, Dooku elegantly slowed down Yoda's hits, leading to the last saberlock, where Dooku fled.
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Old 11-29-2002, 07:46 PM   #65
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wasn't this Anakin supposed to be the über Jedi, with all his midichlorians?
No. He was supposed to be an arrogant Padawan with incomplete training.

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A more detailed analysis would be that when they clashed together, Dooku first tried to go agressively at Yoda, but instead, it became Yoda who went agressively at Dooku. Dooku was fencing off all Yodas hits, but still couldn't get the advantage over Yoda. This continued after the first saber lock. But then Dooku slowed it a bit down, and Yoda had to jump away to start all over again on his agressive moves. But not long after, Dooku elegantly slowed down Yoda's hits, leading to the last saberlock, where Dooku fled.
In the beginning Dooku made solid contact with Yoda, deflecting his blows and fighting using an aggressive defense. After a while though, he wore down, and at the end was making less and less contact. In the last scene he was just able to block Yoda's assault, and seemed quite tired. Yoda, on the other hand, was pumped up and ready to take him out. Further analysis leads to the conclusion that Dooku was very strong at the start of the fight, and then considerably weakened as the fight went on. Instead of parrying Yoda's strike with a vengence and attempting to counter attack, he began retreating somewhat and swinging a bit erratically. At the end, he had slowed down as he wore tired, and Yoda matched pace with him. It is obvious that Yoda could have struck like he had in the beginning, but he was toying with Dooku. He was ready to take advantage of Dooku's fatigue at the end, when he congratulated Dooku on his fighting.


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Old 12-02-2002, 02:21 PM   #66
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anakin had more midichlorians, that doesnt make him an awesome swordsman

cmon billy badass palpatine force lightninged the **** out of both luke and vader, but he couldnt fight hand to hand for ****,

THAT WHY VADER TOSSED HIS ASS
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Old 12-02-2002, 03:17 PM   #67
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...he defeated Anakin twice, and wasn't this Anakin supposed to be the über Jedi, with all his midichlorians? He turned out to be a spoiled teenager always wanting more attention. Midichlorians isn't all, far from it, without proper training, your MCs are worth very little.
Like Powerbroker said, he was an irrigant teenager with incomplete training. Think about how long Dooku had been using the force as opposed to Anakin. We know that Anakin didn't even begin his training till he was 9, where Dooku probably began closer to near birth or maybe a little after. Dooku also had Yoda to train him as his own Master, where Anakin had Obi-wan. With the introduction of the Clone Wars, there is a 3 year gap between Episode 2 and 3, and during this time, there is probably a very good chance Anakin gets some real life or death field experience and is taught by the remaining Jedi Masters. But we all know in the end Someone kills Dooku, and that someone is either Sidious, Obi-Wan, Mace, or Anakin. So obviously Dooku WASN'T all that, or he would have been in at least Episode 4, which he's not.


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Old 12-03-2002, 06:14 PM   #68
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what the crap?
yoda coulda kicked 'doodoo's bum 6-ways from sunday
there is a reason he lives until 'jedi, and that he can whup some butt...... and anyone who can't see that is a primitive screwhead.........



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Old 12-06-2002, 06:11 PM   #69
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what the crap?
yoda coulda kicked 'doodoo's bum 6-ways from sunday
there is a reason he lives until 'jedi, and that he can whup some butt...... and anyone who can't see that is a primitive screwhead.........

Ah, it is good that people posts such serious and very objective replys to a such discussion [/SARCASM]

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But we all know in the end Someone kills Dooku, and that someone is either Sidious, Obi-Wan, Mace, or Anakin.
...or Yoda, wich I have already admitted is slightly better than Dooku.
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Old 12-07-2002, 03:06 PM   #70
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Maybe he was 2 afriad lol
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Old 12-07-2002, 06:42 PM   #71
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While Dooku is my favourite Sith, i reckon Yoda would be able to defeat him but it would be a good fight.
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Old 12-13-2002, 02:44 AM   #72
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maybe luke was the Jedi that was meant to bring the force back into order maybe??????
Vader WAS the one to bring the force into balance. He had Luke Skywalker, which was a pun in one sense, to get Vader to come to his senses and realize the truth. The lightside is better than the darkside. Then Vader threw that old fagot Palpatine down the Reactor shaft and he exploded into a big purple fart.The end.




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Old 12-13-2002, 04:58 AM   #73
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Vader WAS the one to bring the force into balance. He had Luke Skywalker, which was a pun in one sense, to get Vader to come to his senses and realize the truth. The lightside is better than the darkside. Then Vader threw that old fagot Palpatine down the Reactor shaft and he exploded into a big purple fart.The end.


Palpatine fell down the hole and got all Palpy!
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