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Old 11-21-2002, 05:29 PM   #1
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just a poll, who do you think would win if dooku fought mace windu
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Old 11-21-2002, 07:11 PM   #2
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Mace Windu! Hes da Man! His saber skills r amazing! Jango learned that a little too late!


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Old 11-21-2002, 07:48 PM   #3
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close fight, but I'd have to say windu...he just has this aura of power around him when hes fighting..
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Old 11-21-2002, 08:02 PM   #4
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Unhappy dooku

sorry, but I have to say dooku. He was holding his own against Yoda the whole time, and I don't think that Mace could have done that. So, my vote has to go to Dooku.
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Old 11-21-2002, 08:06 PM   #5
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i'd say dooku, someone who can beat obi-wan then anakin then hold his own against yoda
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Old 11-21-2002, 09:31 PM   #6
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His saber skills r amazing! Jango learned that a little too late!
jango died because the reek wrecked his jetpack, if it was working properly jango would've blasted his way outta there. without his jetpack a monkey with a lightsaber could've mowed him down, provided said monkey could deflect incloming laser fire.


Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're and astronaut on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham!, you just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man."
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Old 11-21-2002, 09:33 PM   #7
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oh yeah, and even though i want it to be mace, Dooku is an awesome swordsman and with his newfound dark powers i believe he could beat mace windu in an even match.


Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're and astronaut on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham!, you just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man."
Try this on for size.
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Old 11-21-2002, 10:43 PM   #8
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Yep, man that would be a close fight but I'm going for dooku. I want to say Mace SOOOOOO badly, I really like him. Dooku just has an awsome swordsmanship ability. As a fencer, I think he would have the upper hand. It would be really close though.


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Old 11-21-2002, 11:41 PM   #9
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I think they are equal fighters. No telling for sure. But I hope Windu kills Dooku in ep3. His death could be like this: After an intense battle Windu kills Dooku (Cuts his head off Its a Windu trademark.) but is wounded badly. As he walks away from the defeated Sith a bunch of Clone trooper bust in and attack Windu. Being wounded he cannot block enough of the shots and is hit in the chest. He lays dying bleeding from the mouth as a trooper walks up, calmly points his gun, and finishes him with a shot to the head.

You should have put a "Theres no knowing for sure." option. Anyway thats what I hope to happen in ep3.


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Old 11-22-2002, 09:35 AM   #10
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Dooku...he is way older than mace... and his saber style kick ass big time"!
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Old 11-22-2002, 09:47 AM   #11
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I voted Mace. YEAH MACE! WOOOOOOOOOO.



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Old 11-22-2002, 02:44 PM   #12
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We never really got to see Dooku's sabermanship but everyone speaks of his saber skills with awe so I think Mace would win, but after a long and even matched duel w/Dooku
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Old 11-22-2002, 03:19 PM   #13
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Count Dooku

Just look at the evidence...

Mace Windu:
Capable of killing a bounty hunter who only had one laser pistol and a faulty backpack. Can slash droids a bit and remove a Reek's right horn.

Count Dooku:
Capable of sending a Jedi flying across the room with a single gesture and do serious damage to a Jedi Master in one swift movement. Take someone with two lightsabers down to one weapon before dis-arming them (literally) and hold his own against the most powerful being in the galaxy.

People like Mace Windu too much. He is nothing more than a simple Jedi with a different coloured lightsaber and a shiny head. Count Dooku, on the other hand, is powerful, graceful, imposing, skilled and deadly, not to mention fuelled with the power of the dark side of the Force. Count Dooku, hands down.


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Old 11-22-2002, 04:14 PM   #14
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Re: Count Dooku

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Just look at the evidence...

Mace Windu:
Capable of killing a bounty hunter who only had one laser pistol and a faulty backpack. Can slash droids a bit and remove a Reek's right horn.

Count Dooku:
Capable of sending a Jedi flying across the room with a single gesture and do serious damage to a Jedi Master in one swift movement. Take someone with two lightsabers down to one weapon before dis-arming them (literally) and hold his own against the most powerful being in the galaxy.

People like Mace Windu too much. He is nothing more than a simple Jedi with a different coloured lightsaber and a shiny head. Count Dooku, on the other hand, is powerful, graceful, imposing, skilled and deadly, not to mention fuelled with the power of the dark side of the Force. Count Dooku, hands down.
Mace is the man. So he wasn't all fancy while he was in the Arena. Dooku did nothing but try to look cool. Mace actually was out in the field and wasn't running away like Dooku. Mace was at point blank range and he escaped Jango's fatal flame throwers.

Mace also has the best Jedi Stance. He is the only one that is at that level. He could easily challenge Dooku and win. Dooku had to be a punk and have people do work. Dooku might be able to fight with a Lightsaber but Mace can pound him into a pulp. He was also going to lose to Yoda but then he had to drop the thing on Obi and Anakin and save himself. He knew he couldn't go on more so he just left before he really got it.


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Old 11-22-2002, 04:29 PM   #15
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Re: Count Dooku

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People like Mace Windu too much. He is nothing more than a simple Jedi with a different coloured lightsaber and a shiny head.
Mace Windu is generally acknowledged to be the second most powerful Jedi alive, after Yoda. Besides, taking out Jengo Fett was not such an easy feat. If you'd notice, his laser pistol skills were so good that he was able to kill a Jedi Master (on the Council, at that) in three shots without breaking a sweat. Bounty Hunters are trained to kill Jedi, and Jengo was more than adept.

As for who would win a battle between the two, I'd have to go with a draw. Dooku was barely able to defend against Yoda's assault, and would most certainly have been killed had the fight lasted any longer. In fact, I posit that Yoda could have killed Dooku without even breaking out his lightsaber, should he have choosen to. His knowledge of the force was far superior (as demonstrated by his ability to absorb force lightning, and halt the descent of the falling pillar, as Dooku watched, knowing he couldn't stop it). Considering that Windu isn't far behind Yoda, he should be able to match Dooku with both sides of the force as his aides.

If I had to choose one, though, I'd choose Windu, since Dooku seems to be lacking long term stamina.


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Old 11-22-2002, 10:39 PM   #16
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Old 11-23-2002, 08:44 AM   #17
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I must disagree.

Count Dooku had to 'run away' from the Battle of Geonosis because he had loyalties to his Sith Master, Darth Sidious, and the Death Star plans. It was unfortunate that two Jedi turned up to stop him, but the duel was over within seconds when Count Dooku mopped the floor with them. He even had time to gloat about his power while fighting Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi:

"Master Kenobi, you disappoint me! Yoda holds you in such high esteem."
"Surely you can do better!"

Count Dooku even sliced the Chosen One's arm off at the elbow without breaking a sweat. He is more powerful than Anakin Skywalker.

When Yoda turns up to support the fallen Jedi, Count Dooku shows much skill and power in bombarding the Jedi with equipment, rock and Force Lightning. Yoda deflects the attacks before they engage in a lightsaber duel. The pair are evenly matched and Count Dooku is forced to end the duel when he relalises that he is running out of time: he needs to get back to Coruscant with the Death Star plans. At no time during the duel does Yoda have an advantage, and the same can be said for Count Dooku: they are each other's equals, and could not defeat each other during the brief time they had.

Mace Windu does not use the best lightsaber form: he would be no match for Count Dooku's long, elegant moves and would be defeated in a flash. Mace Windu is overrated, and is just as good as Obi-Wan or Anakin. Guess who Count Dooku defeated... oh, could it be Obi-Wan and Anakin?


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Old 11-23-2002, 02:51 PM   #18
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You say people like Windu too much? Whatever. You Dark side nuts like Dooku too much. You cant argue that. I dont care if hes your fav character. Hes not the "Best of the best of the best sir! With honors!" (MiB quote) Drop them dark egos and use logic and reason my friends. You havent seen Mace fight saber to saber. He is not just
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How in the Force could anyone come to that conclusion? Wierd, twisted fans you are. No offense but that is what you show yourself as. You want to prove your not? Please do.


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Old 11-23-2002, 08:37 PM   #19
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Count Dooku 2 is just a fanboy....so it's no surprise to his opinions. He does bring up some valid points though......

I do think that Windu is stronger and would beat him in a duel. I really hope this happens in ep 3!!

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Old 11-23-2002, 09:56 PM   #20
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i think what he is saying is that all we have seen mace do is some standard lightsaber action, but we have seen dooku kick some major ass.

now i believe that mace is a fantastic lightsaber fighter, but where can i prove that he is any better than obi-wan in reference to the movies ?


Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're and astronaut on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham!, you just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man."
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Old 11-23-2002, 11:48 PM   #21
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Count Dooku even sliced the Chosen One's arm off at the elbow without breaking a sweat. He is more powerful than Anakin Skywalker.
Yah right.
Why does Palatine/Sidious then say to Anakin "I forsee that you will become the greatest Jedi of all even higher than Master Yoda."

I bet that if you put Dooku at the same age as Anakin that he would suck too. Anakin wasn't even that talented in Lightsaber dueling. Obi-Wan had expierence from his encounter with Maul years before.

Just wait till EP III when Anakin wipes out all the Jedi and kills Dooku. He is going to replace Dooku in some way or another. I just want to hear Anakin say to Dooku while he chokes him
"I am the master now."

Anakin choked that Admiral in EP V while he was on another ship. Vader was the most powerful Sith ever. Dooku is good. I admit that but don't go around saying that he is better than Anakin. Vader was Palpatine's right hand man for more than 10 years. Dooku is just a guy that can shoot lightining and has a weird shaped Lightsaber. Vader can choke from a diffrent area of the galaxy. Everyone was also not afraid of him. Vader scared everyone cause they knew that he was the $hit.

You've seen one movie with Dooku. Anakin is in all 6 movies. Look at the fact's before you talk.



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Old 11-24-2002, 02:32 AM   #22
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sifnt you both right, dooku WAS more powerful than anakin in episode 2, but episode 4,5,6 anakin/vader ist teh WINMAEN !!1


Fear can sometimes be a useful emotion. For instance, let's say you're and astronaut on the moon and you fear that your partner has been turned into Dracula. The next time he goes out for the moon pieces, wham!, you just slam the door behind him and blast off. He might call you on the radio and say he's not Dracula, but you just say, "Think again, bat man."
Try this on for size.
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Old 11-24-2002, 10:57 AM   #23
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You've seen one movie with Dooku. Anakin is in all 6 movies.
Anakin is in all six movies because he is the main character of the series. Obi-wan was in all six movies too, and Dooku is more poweful than him.


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Anakin is in all six movies because he is the main character of the series. Obi-wan was in all six movies too, and Dooku is more poweful than him.

Obi-Wan is not in all 6 movies. He dies in EP IV. He may of come back afterwards to help Luke but he died. Vader lived through all 6 movies. Who was also the one that was hiding in the Dune Sea and was a hermit. Obi-Wan knew that he could not be known about or he would be killed. Vader was the most powerful being in the Universe. He is the Chosen One. But obviously killing all the Jedi, Sith doesen't meant anything to you guys.


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Count Dooku even sliced the Chosen One's arm off at the elbow without breaking a sweat. He is more powerful than Anakin Skywalker.

Not more powerful, more experienced. Biiiig difference.



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Absolutely. Most of you guys are right. Lets summurize it. (again )

Dooku/Tyranus was a Jedi Master, now a Sith. With his past experience and skill and the new jolt of the Dark side its no surprise he could beat Obi and Ani who are NOT masters. He couldnt beat Yoda but he held in there pretty well. Yoda would have defeated him if he hadnt ran.

Windu is second to Yoda. So hes probably equal to Tyranus who could hold up well against Yoda. If Tyranus and Windu fought, there would be no telling who would win. They both have an equal chance of winning. I hope its Mace though. Well see.

Anakins still a Padawan. But probably the most powerful Padawan ever(next to Yoda). He will grow to be the second most powerful Dark side user ever. More powerful than Tyranus ever was. Sidious will still be #1 in the Dark side.

Did I leave anything out?....No I think thats about it. None of this can be argued with, its all fact. We all know its fact. Stop the fan boy war. This is so ridiculous theres a huge debate over this. I lost count how many times I said stick to the facts. Im not God. Im not an all knowing authority. Im a humble fan who sticks to the facts and hates to lecture certain people all the time. If you dont like me then pay attention to people like ET Warrior and Jedi Monk and others like them.


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Old 11-24-2002, 04:04 PM   #27
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Yah right.
Why does Palatine/Sidious then say to Anakin "I forsee that you will become the greatest Jedi of all even higher than Master Yoda."

I bet that if you put Dooku at the same age as Anakin that he would suck too. Anakin wasn't even that talented in Lightsaber dueling. Obi-Wan had expierence from his encounter with Maul years before.

Just wait till EP III when Anakin wipes out all the Jedi and kills Dooku. He is going to replace Dooku in some way or another. I just want to hear Anakin say to Dooku while he chokes him
"I am the master now."

Anakin choked that Admiral in EP V while he was on another ship. Vader was the most powerful Sith ever. Dooku is good. I admit that but don't go around saying that he is better than Anakin. Vader was Palpatine's right hand man for more than 10 years. Dooku is just a guy that can shoot lightining and has a weird shaped Lightsaber. Vader can choke from a diffrent area of the galaxy. Everyone was also not afraid of him. Vader scared everyone cause they knew that he was the $hit.

You've seen one movie with Dooku. Anakin is in all 6 movies. Look at the fact's before you talk.

good point ratmjedi anikin was the most powerfull jedi ever (until Luke that is) so dooku isn't anything and you are right that the dark side freaks need to get a grip and think logically if dooku was the man why isn't he around in Ep IV, V, VI? instead of anikin aka darth vader? why???? because anikin aka darth vader stuck his lightsaber up his ass sideways and crushed his throat with the force, boiled his intestines, and exploded his brains!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!! by the way Master Mace Windu would beat Dooku hands down why???? how would somebody named count Poopu i mean Dooku win over the second most powerfull member of the jedi council?????????



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Not more powerful, more experienced. Biiiig difference.
i'm with you there ET us fellow kel dorians have to stick together!



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Obi-Wan is not in all 6 movies. He dies in EP IV. He may of come back afterwards to help Luke but he died.
And where does that contradict my statement? Obi-wan was in all six movies, so that being a criterion for Anakin being more powerful than Dooku is invalid.


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good point ratmjedi anikin was the most powerfull jedi ever (until Luke that is) so dooku isn't anything and you are right that the dark side freaks need to get a grip and think logically if dooku was the man why isn't he around in Ep IV, V, VI? instead of anikin aka darth vader? why???? because anikin aka darth vader stuck his lightsaber up his ass sideways and crushed his throat with the force, boiled his intestines, and exploded his brains!!!!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!! by the way Master Mace Windu would beat Dooku hands down why???? how would somebody named count Poopu i mean Dooku win over the second most powerfull member of the jedi council?????????

Hey hey now lets not diss Dooku here. Hes still a kickass villan. Just like Maul.


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Old 11-25-2002, 10:09 PM   #31
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hmmm...

we really don't know how good mace is/isn't. We only saw him for a few minutes fighting droids. So no one can really say how good he would be in a duel.
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Old 11-26-2002, 12:51 AM   #32
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Second to Yoda. I think that says enough.


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Old 11-28-2002, 08:53 AM   #33
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I think Mace is a good Jedi, however he does not match the three most powerful SW characters of all time: Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn and Count Dooku.
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i say mace because of his super-special-strong fightin style.
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Old 11-28-2002, 03:11 PM   #35
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This discussion was run itno the ground already. The facts were already shown. Enough. Close it.


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Old 11-28-2002, 03:26 PM   #36
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All we need is a Super Mod now. There are no Mod's for the EP II thread.


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Old 11-28-2002, 06:36 PM   #37
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Anakin may have been the most powerful Jedi if you look at raw force power, but his training did not really teach him to control it well, wich does that he was at no point the "best" Jedi. If even a nearly untrained moisture farmer, who happened to find a lightsaber in his garage and is therefore a Jedi, can beat Vader, then Vader can't be very strong really.
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If even a nearly untrained moisture farmer, who happened to find a lightsaber in his garage and is therefore a Jedi, can beat Vader, then Vader can't be very strong really.
Vader was beaten by a trained Jedi who was taught by first hand experience, and by Yoda himself. Besides, a semi-trained Jedi who had no experience was easily defeated by Vader. Therefore, your analogy holds no water.


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Vader was beaten by a trained Jedi who was taught by first hand experience, and by Yoda himself.
Yes, but only for a couple of months. Dooku was trained by him for many years.

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Besides, a semi-trained Jedi who had no experience was easily defeated by Vader. Therefore, your analogy holds no water.
If you are reffering to Obi-Wan, then Obi-Wan never lost, he simply gave up, comitted suicide. But then again, Obi has a lot of xp. So who are you referring to actually?
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Yes, but only for a couple of months. Dooku was trained by him for many years.
True. But Luke had firsthand experience in fighting Vader, which Dooku lacks. If Luke had gone into the throne room with no combat experience against Vader, I think the battle would have been a lot different.


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If you are reffering to Obi-Wan, then Obi-Wan never lost, he simply gave up, comitted suicide. But then again, Obi has a lot of xp. So who are you referring to actually?
I was referring to Luke in Episode V.


"Powerful you have become, Dooku. The
dark side I sense in you." Yoda, Attack of
the Clones, Chapter 46.
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