God, I am such a wreck now..

Clefo · 12-31-2002, 06:27 PM

A very good friend of mine, well we was talking on the IM, and after a philisophical discussion on Love, she then dropped the L word to me... Now I am having a mixed rush of emotions, from "Oh my god, someone actually LIKES ME?" to "Do I like her back?" etc.. Being a semi-geek this is all very new to me, I do have a crush on a.. different person, but those feelings seemed to drop after that announcement.. I'm confused.. Help!

***Boba Rhett*** · 12-31-2002, 06:40 PM

Heh. You sure are having quite the week.

You're going to have to sit down and weigh this all out. Maybe even make a little chart.

It does really help sometimes to write out positives and negatives of the two people as well as yourself and maybe even what the two relationships could bring. You know what I mean. Just make sure you're not just jumping at this for the sake of jumping.

Jon Snow · 12-31-2002, 06:49 PM

Hey Clefo,

Well, I'm prolly the master of Internet dating... been hurt by it once and tried again and we just realized it wouldn't work out.

I'm personally completely against Internet dating b/c you don't have the physical contact. I'm not talking in a sexual way but more in the every day things like taking her out to a movie or walking around a mall with her, and I'm sorry but it's so easy to put your best foot forward on the net.. for both ends...

I know I prolly am over negative, but I have this theory about dating. A relationship is like a pyramid, with the higher points of the pyramid being supported by the lower foundation. The foundation consists of more basic things such as physical attraction, enough common interests to hold a conversation, respect, basic trust, things done together, experiences. What happened to me when I met someone from my city off the net, was we spent so much time talking together that when we met I was sick of her and I left her b/c being on IM for 30 huors a week took away from my normal life and got me depressed. But using the pyramid scheme, I basically had over developped the communication and intelligence, and the basic going out and doing things was udnerdevelopped. Of course I perceived a strong relationship based on the intelectual foundation, but we really had nothing for the other parts of the pyramid. When I left her for my own personal reasons (depression, needed space) she got really mean and cruel and I really saw her immaturity and was glad I had stopped it.

I would basically tell you to meet her ASAP if she's in your city, or to be VERY careful if she's not. I don't believe at all in dating someone long-distance. I'm a bit of a sap I admit and I enjoy just holding a girl and being with her, and to know "someone's" out there but I can't call them at night or show up at their house to give them a little kiss and walk them to school b/c I have a day off would be too hard for me.

Just some questions for you to consider:

Do you like her? If you do why exactly? For who she is, or b/c she likes you?
If you like someone b/c they like you, you're gonna overlook anything that would tell you it's not gonna work.

Anyways, if you want my IM to talk about this, I don't mind talking about it but I'd appreciate if you could ask Sherack b/c I don't feel comfortable releasing my e-mail on a forum.

Clefo · 12-31-2002, 06:51 PM

That was a nice little peice about Internet Dating, except one tiny eensy beensy problem:

I know this person offline I met this person as such, justhappened to be talking on the IM

Jon Snow · 12-31-2002, 06:59 PM

LOLOL

Well... I saw the IM, and I somehow feel a bit tipsy from the one glass of champagne I had...

I don't know what to really tell you. There's so much to look into. You said it was a good/best friend of yours so you obviously know her well. The only thing I can really tell you is do you like her now b/c she told you that or have you had feelings before? DO/Would you want her b/c you can get her?

My best friend is a girl, and I used to like her. She told me she'd never go out with me, and I was really heartbroken but continued the friendship. She ended up dating one of our mutual friends who was a jerk but b/c of a cadet relationship it lasted for 5 months as a physical make out friendship with the illusion of relationship. She's dating someone else now and we spoke and agreed that there is none of that fairy tale head over heels love but we'll prolly just settle down together one day if we're both still single more out of the companionship than anything else. I don't really know what to tell you besides it is common for friends to go out after a while, but almost impossible for daters to become friends after they break up, it's an unrealistic idealism. If you like her irregardless of her liking you then see what happens. If you never thought of her that way until now, then don't go for it, cause you might just lose a good friend. And also, remember that labels are BULLSH**!! Don't worry about 'steps' such as seeing each other or going out. Just take it as you feel comfortable and act according to how you really feel, don't make yourself feel something!!!!

Zygomaticus · 12-31-2002, 07:55 PM

Never having been in a similar situation, nor having ever had a girl friend, the best I can say to you is "Good Luck"

I wish you well...nobody wishes you better than I

Tie Guy · 12-31-2002, 08:01 PM

My only question is why didn't she wait till she saw you to tell you? Why do it over an IM, with mere words on a screen compeletly devoid of emotion?

I've never professed to be an expert on dating, as i've never had a girlfriend or even a crush, but it seems to me that you should consider your feelings for her, then she what she says next you meet and tell her what you think in a serious manner.

This isn't a choice anyone but you can make. All i can say is good luck.

JEDI_MASTA · 12-31-2002, 08:25 PM

my guess is she used it over im BECAUSE of the lack of emotion involved, im in just about the same boat as krkode... so

Good Luck

Crazy_dog no.3 · 01-01-2003, 01:32 AM

Wow, someone actually likes u! *points finger and laughs*

j/k

Well I don't know what to say. Just do what u feel is right.

Artoo · 01-01-2003, 08:44 AM

welll, hmmmmmmmmm.

A good reason why to say it over IM, is that those words are really hard to say in person to somebody if you aren't sure about them, writing or typing them really helps at first. It's what I had to do.

Anyway she might have just been saying it like she would love a new outfit or something, not the love that comes from the heart (if that makes sense) or she could have been serious and just accidentally timed her saying it wrong so it confused you.

I giuess the only real advice I can give is try and make sure she meant it serious;y, that would be the first step.

JEDI_MASTA · 01-01-2003, 02:44 PM

lol c dog... *think of post your picture thread* LMAO

j/k dude

Clefo · 01-01-2003, 04:48 PM

Well.. I've weighed the Pros and cons. and I now have a girlfriend.. HA HA! I went to the "Why the hell not?" path and "Lets see where this goes!".. I told her the same and she was fine with it.. soo yeah

xwing guy · 01-01-2003, 04:50 PM

Clefo, if I was you I would go out with her regardless, just for the sake of having a g/f. Cause to me having a g/f is a prequel to marriage, if you don't get experience with it when you're young, you'll never get past that stage of just the girlfriend/boyfriend relationship and might not never get married.

Edit: Clefo tells me he goes out with her now, basically just trying it and seeing where it ends up.

Rogue15 · 01-01-2003, 04:52 PM

congrats, that sounds like something that i would do if i was in your shoes!

xwing guy · 01-01-2003, 05:08 PM

Dadgumit Clefo you beat me too my post.

Tie Guy · 01-01-2003, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by xwing guy
Clefo, if I was you I would go out with her regardless, just for the sake of having a g/f. Cause to me having a g/f is a prequel to marriage, if you don't get experience with it when you're young, you'll never get past that stage of just the girlfriend/boyfriend relationship and might not never get married.

Huh? Dating is only supposed to be if you thikn you might get married. Basically what you said was that you should use some girls to gain experience for others. Sorry, but thats just not right, IMO. You don't need experience to get married, you just need love. Besides, you should learn everything you need to know about being married from your parents. Having a serious relationship is great, but entering a relationship "just for the heck of it" is not only disrespectful of the girl who has serious feeling for you, but also a complete waste of time, IMO.

I am glad you made a decision, clefo. Can't say i agree with your reasoning, but at least you made up your mind and out of the sitution. And you never know, maybe great things will come of this regardless.

jediduo · 01-01-2003, 05:48 PM

Congrats, Clefo. All I can say is tread lightly, be honest, and enjoy it while you can.

STTCT · 01-02-2003, 12:23 AM

Alright I'm confused. X wing you think he should go out with her just for the sake of going out with a woman?

Ack to me that is using someone! Gaining experience points...hum...this isn't lucas forums out there. You don't get points and then buy marriage for a day.

Just kidding

Seriously though. The thing I learned is...about dating and internet...even when you are friends in person too. It is VERy easy to say stuff on IM that you may not be able to in person. This is not such a bad thing...especially when back in the day you found out from her best friend or maybe perhaps by a little note dropped to you in class. I'm glad you chose to go out with her. I don't know if you should ever use the word "love" before you are seriously dating eachother etc. But I used to use that word too before I found out what real "love" actually felt like. I just found that I liked the other people I dated...but actually didn't "love" any of them. Sad...maybe...but different kind of feeling you know.

WolfmanNCSU · 01-02-2003, 03:55 AM

She could be just saying she loves you because your such a good friend to her. I know tons of girls that say that to me because I am a really good friend to them. To some people, the word love means a lot more than when others say it.

Anyways, I would just remain to be her friend. Try going out with her. It does not have to be a date or anything big. Grab some food and see a movie or a hockey game or something. Just because you go out on a date with someone does not mean you are in a relationship with them. That comes much later.

You just have to feel things out to decide on what to do. Do you enjoy the time you spend with her, do you care for each other the same way and amount, does she annoy you any, do you think about her all the time, does she make you feel better just by seeing her or talking to her. Its these little things that made me realize that I was falling into a relationship with one of my great friends, and now we have been dating for a couple of years.

Anyway, dont worry about all that stuff yet. Just go out and hang with her, have fun, and cross bridges when you get to them.

*darthfergie* · 01-02-2003, 11:03 AM

Good going Clefo. Same thing I'd do in your shoes. If somebody told me that I would think very seriously for going out with them, especially if you knew her decently well. At least now you'll both be able to decide if you really like each other by talking more, etc. You never know how it could end up.

and like everybody else said...good luck

jediduo · 01-02-2003, 11:30 AM

I respect your opinion, Tie Guy, but I have to mildly disagree. I think that every human needs "learning loves." There are a few exceptions to this, of course, but it holds true for the most part. Everyone needs chances to see what they want in a soul mate, and they also need chances to mess up and learn what NOT to do. You can't just dive into marriage with your very first girlfriend/boyfriend and expect it to last. (Again, there are exceptions to this.)

Tie Guy · 01-02-2003, 12:26 PM

Jediduo, why don't we ask the girl on this forum how she feels about guys doing that? She's already answered in this thread.

Dating isn't marriage, and it never will be. Dating can't prepare you for marriage, unless your telling me you live with your girlfriend and know all her habits, good and bad and are forced to deal with them all. You get a much more practical and "experienced" view from your parents, or at least you should. Dating give you experience for dating, like where to go and where not to go, what to say and what not to say, and what to do when. You aren't dating when you are married, i think thats obvious. Its completely different. Dating should only be used to find out if you are going to get married, and if you can get along. It helps you with individuals, not some universal scheme you call marriage.

Clefo · 01-02-2003, 12:46 PM

How bout we ask the person in question, who seems fine with the "Lets see where this goes" arrangement?

Tie Guy · 01-02-2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Clefo
How bout we ask the person in question, who seems fine with the "Lets see where this goes" arrangement?

The decision was yours, and you made. Although I disagree, I respect your decision. Its your life, after all, not mine.

*Sherack Nhar* · 01-02-2003, 01:09 PM

It may sound harsh, but I really do think that you have to be deeply hurt at least once by someone you truly love before being ready for something as big as marriage.

Therefore, you do need to date other people before seriously considering marriage.

jediduo · 01-02-2003, 06:30 PM

*shaking head* No, no, no. I think you misread me, TG. (Actually, I probably didn't word it well.) When you said that "dating gives you experience for dating, like where to go and where not to go, what to say and what not to say, and what to do when", that's exactly right. Dating and marriage are two different animals. I know this. I'm just saying you need experience in dealing with the opposite sex (dating) before going off and getting married. Sherack in the post above me provided a great explanation for what I'm trying to say.

*bangs head on wall* Why *smack* can't *smack* I *smack* make *smack* them *smack* understand? *smack smack smack*

Tie Guy · 01-02-2003, 06:56 PM

Sherack, i disagree (of course, eh?

). If you don't get married and stay together then how can you call it true love? Sounds more like a passing daydream.

Jediduo, prepare yourself for a rant. Dating isn't the only way to interact with the opposite sex! But the belief that it is is one of the major problems in our society. Far too many people think that a guy-girl relationship has to be more than what it is, a friendship. Its that kind of thinking that makes girls think they have to go out with someone to be popular, or have friends. Thats what causes them to wear short skirts and revealing shirts, the belief that is they aren't a guys girlfriend, they aren't anything at all. Thats just wrong. The proper way to treat a lady is to befriend her, make her realize she's who she is, nothing more or less. Being a friend to a girl is a thousand times more usefull than dating will ever be. Sure, you'll take your wife out, but not every night. Don't forget, you have to live with your wife too, and that means every night. If you don't know how to befriend her, how to treat her, how to get along with her, then your marriage just went down a hell hole. Dating can teach you the things i mentioned in my previous post, but thats not how you live your life or your marriage. Dating merely teaches you how to handle special occasions, if even that. As opposed, friendship teaches you everything you ever need to know about the girl herself, and your parents can teach you what to do in marriage. Dating isn't good for anything but treating kindly the girl you love, and if you don't love a girl then why are you dating her? Is it because you want to look cool to your friends? Or dare I say sex? Girls don't deserve that, that is using them. If you date and you don't truly love, then what other reasons are there? Fun? If so then why do you have to date, why not just be friends? Then at least you don't have any pressure or exclusiveness.

Girls have more delicate emotions. You may be just dating for the heck of it, but chances are they aren't. No girl deserves to have her heart broken, no one does. Would you break it "for the heck of it"? Sherack?

If you truly honor a girl, be her friend. If you find your true love, be her friend. Any girl can be your date, but if you plan to have a sucessful marriage, then you better be her friend.

*Note: Don not take offense to the above, I'm generalizing. I can't speak for your personal life, for i have no knowledge of it, I only know your opinions as expressed in this thread. Please don't be angry.

*

jediduo · 01-02-2003, 07:22 PM

So, what do you do? Go straight from being simple friends to spouses? It seems to me that you're saying dating is wrong because it might not result in marriage. Dating is supposed to be the prequel to marriage. If it doesn't work out, are you saying that it automatically means that you are using the girl(boy)? That is what you seem to be saying.

*resumes head-smacking*

***Boba Rhett*** · 01-02-2003, 09:47 PM

For someone who claims to have no knowledge on the subject, you sure have come to quite a few of your own conclusions on the matter, Tie. You also speak as if they are the only conceivably correct ones.

STTCT · 01-02-2003, 11:01 PM

*cracks knuckles....shakes head mumbles something about men*

Some of the things you guys have said I feel are true and some of the things you guys say makes me mumble stuff. So here I go...

"Being a friend to a girl is a thousand times more usefull than dating will ever be. Sure, you'll take your wife out, but not every night. Don't forget, you have to live with your wife too, and that means every night. If you don't know how to befriend her, how to treat her, how to get along with her, then your marriage just went down a hell hole. "

I believe that behind every good relationship there is a good friendship. As dating develops into a long standing relationship friendship is the elasticity that holds people together through hard times. Relationships fade from the "hot honeymoon" stage to the more monotonous "day in day out" stage. When your relationship takes this turn...you will soon find out whether or not it will survive. Because usually this is where breakups happen. One person looses interest, other things look new and fun and it isn't just about the romance anymore.

"Dating isn't the only way to interact with the opposite sex! "

Duh....

"The proper way to treat a lady is to befriend her, make her realize she's who she is, nothing more or les"

Actually some of actually realise who we are before prince charming steps into our lives. If you enter a relationship with the ideal that you are going to "make us realise who we truly are" you are going to have some...problems.

"If you date and you don't truly love, then what other reasons are there? Fun? If so then why do you have to date, why not just be friends? Then at least you don't have any pressure or exclusiveness."

You have to truly love before you date? Ack. Let's get this straight. You date a person to get to know whether or not you want to be in an exclusive relationship with them. You don't just go to a club and say "Hey you wanna be my friend?"... you know since you don't truly love them....hell you just met them...you liked the way she looked in her skirt....you liked the way she smiled at you...her voice etc. No...you do not just go make friends. You exchange numbers and you ask if she'd like to go out sometime. You date to get to know people. Most times Dating comes BEFORE the friendship.

k that's enough picking on Tie guy and I could do a lot of picking on too.

"When you said that "dating gives you experience for dating, like where to go and where not to go, what to say and what not to say, and what to do when", that's exactly right. Dating and marriage are two different animals. I know this. I'm just saying you need experience in dealing with the opposite sex (dating) before going off and getting married"

yup - Dating is a lot different then marriage. We all agree. Right? But I do not feel that you need to go out and date random women in order to prepare for your future wife. You go out and you have fun - you meet people. That's all there is to it. Yes you gain experience. But one does not need to date a crap load of woman in order to know how to treat his wife to a good time or with respect. He learns it from his friends and family like Tie Guy said.

"Everyone needs chances to see what they want in a soul mate, and they also need chances to mess up and learn what NOT to do. You can't just dive into marriage with your very first girlfriend/boyfriend and expect it to last. (Again, there are exceptions to this."

So your saying....go out and date woman. If she turns out to be the wrong one...don't just stand there crying. Chalk it up for experience points and go get another one tiger!!! okay.... You still have to pick people that you are INTERESTED IN. Don't just go around hurting woman because you feel hey at least I'll learn something!! Meanwhile get a little sumthin sumthin. That is using.

"Anyways, I would just remain to be her friend. Try going out with her. It does not have to be a date or anything big. Grab some food and see a movie or a hockey game or something. Just because you go out on a date with someone does not mean you are in a relationship with them. That comes much later. "

I couldn't have typed it better myself!

*hands fall off - eyes squinting - sighs*

I've said my piece..for now.

Hope it turns out for the best Clefo!

"

WolfmanNCSU · 01-03-2003, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by STTCT
*cracks knuckles....shakes head mumbles something about men*

.......

"Anyways, I would just remain to be her friend. Try going out with her. It does not have to be a date or anything big. Grab some food and see a movie or a hockey game or something. Just because you go out on a date with someone does not mean you are in a relationship with them. That comes much later. "

I couldn't have typed it better myself!

*hands fall off - eyes squinting - sighs*

I've said my piece..for now.

Hope it turns out for the best Clefo!

"

Hey, I said that

Alright!

Good luck Clefo. Its not near as hard as it sounds in this thread. I am sure things will turn out for the best for ya, and above all, just have fun and enjoy yourselfs. Enjoy her company and dont let anything keep you from remaining friends. You will know it if the time calls for a more involving relationship.

STTCT · 01-03-2003, 03:09 AM

oh no ! did i complicate things and make it sound all hard. ack. please forgive me. BTW Clefo are you going to give us an update or...are you scared to now?

WolfmanNCSU · 01-03-2003, 03:16 AM

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Originally posted by STTCT
oh no ! did i complicate things and make it sound all hard. ack. please forgive me. BTW Clefo are you going to give us an update or...are you scared to now?

No no no.

I was just telling Clefo that dating is not as hard as every says it is. And with lots of different advice coming from this thread, it can sound a little intimidating and make you get nervious....not just you STTCT or anyone else here.

You will do fine Clefo, now go forth and have fun. Update on how good things are going (thinking positive for ya).

And I suggest the hockey game date. I love those. Assuming you like hockey, you can teach her the game, or hell maybe she can teach you if you dont know it Go grab a burger, watch the game and you will have loads of fun. Or just go out and do something you enjoy.

Havoc Stryphe · 01-03-2003, 03:26 AM

Ahh love. The elixir of our happiness and the bane or our existence.

We are stirred to love, yet we are forced to stumble through it's murky waters. Confused and frustrated we wander until, if we are fortunate, we blindly come across that fragrant meadow, littred with nature's colors and a soft golden bathing of evening sunlight and there, we revel in the comfort and pleasure, until the vision vanishes and we are left standing amidst the dark and dreary night of lost love. Plagued by questions and doubt until we happen upon another love, to start the cycle all over again. If you're really lucky one time the golden meadow and precious warmth stay with you until your last breathe and leave this world in contentment, and most importantly, in love.

Love is the most confusing, misunderstood, frustrating, scary, and yet ironically, most saught after ideal of mankind.

Just remember, love, though very much similar in most respects, differs from person to person. We each envision our perfect love, our perfect mate, our ideal, if you will.

Love is self-destructive, but at the same time, it completes us. It is the conundrum of our existence and the paradox that we shall never solve.

But hot damn! Does it feel good!

Well, my wife may tell you differently, but I think it's the most fun I've ever had being scared and confused!

My advice to you, Clefo, is this: Nothing...

"Why nothing?", you ask. Simply for this reason, love advice is cliché and condescending at best. One must experience love and the dilemmas that ensue for themselves.

rather than listen to our own self-righteous opinions, follow your heart, Clefo, it won't steer you wrong... that much!

Smile, for what you are about to experience will be a roller-coaster of emotion of unfettered bliss, coupled with frustration and endless doubt. But in the end, you wouldn't have it any other way.

Tie Guy · 01-03-2003, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Boba Rhett
For someone who claims to have no knowledge on the subject, you sure have come to quite a few of your own conclusions on the matter, Tie. You also speak as if they are the only conceivably correct ones.

I have never dated anyone, and i don't plan to in High School, either. But i have lots of friends who are girls, two sisters, and mom. Thats more than enough for me to draw conclusions, i think. As for what i've said, it is all my opinion. I would have thought that was clear, even without me putting IMO at the end of every sentence. I did put a note....

Jediduo, i never said dating was wrong in all circumstances, i just said it wasn't worth anything for marriage. Your date should always be your friend first, that's all.

STTCT, i think we are confusing what dating is here. Dating is not going out an having a good time with a girl, or a guy. "Grabbing something to eat" is not a date IMO, at least not neccessarily. You go out with your friend who is a girl and get something to eat and enjoy their company without going on a date. Heck, i do that with my cousin all the time, shes a great girl but i think you can see why we wouldn't date. The same goes for my friends who are girls, but i never "date" them. You can still have fun with others without dating, so don't think you can't. Dating, in my eyes, is a serious, exclusive relationship between two people. And i think it should be saved for courting only. If you aren't courting, then why does it need to be exclusive? You can have fun with them, but why can you only have a good time with them, and they with you? In that light its pointless, restricting.

Quote:

You have to truly love before you date? Ack. Let's get this straight. You date a person to get to know whether or not you want to be in an exclusive relationship with them. You don't just go to a club and say "Hey you wanna be my friend?"... you know since you don't truly love them....hell you just met them...you liked the way she looked in her skirt....you liked the way she smiled at you...her voice etc. No...you do not just go make friends. You exchange numbers and you ask if she'd like to go out sometime. You date to get to know people. Most times Dating comes BEFORE the friendship.

First, in my eyes, dating is an exclusive relationship, not a precurser to it. Second, you would date someone you don't even know?! IF I wer going to meet someone at a bar, i certainly wouldn't say "wanna go on a date" or whatever, i would get to know them first, isn't that logical? Be a friend, then you can decide if you love them and thats when a serious relationships begins. I honestly don't see how it can be the other way around.

Havoc, the problem here is that he doens't have any feelings for her, he's just doing it "for the heck of it."

STTCT · 01-03-2003, 05:40 AM

well in the real world....strangers do date.

yes friends of opposite sex can go grab a bite to eat. Its called grabbing a bite to eat.

But grabbing a bite to eat with someone you are interested in is more like a date to me. Unless you already know eachother and you have established you are going out as friends.

But if some guy at work came and asked me to the movies....and lets say ...it was b4 I was engaged....I would consider it him asking me out on a date. Not just that he wants to go hang out as friends....

Havoc Stryphe · 01-03-2003, 05:53 AM

Tie, first of all, let me say I respect your opinion, and actually on many levels I agree wholeheartedly with you. Having said that:

Quote:

Originally posted by Clefo
Being a semi-geek this is all very new to me,

From the above quote from Clefo it would suggest that the dating/love/girlfriend territory is , for the most part, new and unexplored to him.

Now, an example, if you will. How do you know what cold is? Because you know what hot is, and vice versa. How de we know what light is, unless we experience darkness first, or vice versa. How do we know "like" from "love" unless we experience some feelings that show us the difference.

Now first of all, Clefo classifies himself as a semi-geek, and apparently women is pretty much new territory to him, to an extend. Let him explore a few different relationships to see what Love doesn't feel like or maybe he'll be fortunate and find out what love is.

Now before you pick my arguement apart, yes I know we all experience love with our family members, a pet dog, a best friend and a favorite food

, but I think you'll agree with me that there are different types of love. I shun to think that we wouldn't marry someone until we find someone who makes us feel like we're with out mother!

It's a different, romantic love we feel towards our opposite sex, particularly our life mates. But to first know that it is love you're feeling you must make sure you don't, or haven't, felt that way about every relationship/girl (i.e. puppy love, or enfatuation).

Now, let me say for the record, that dating for the hell of it is, indeed, wrong and I do not condone such dating behaviour. Like I said earlier, I agree that serious, exclusive dating should be reserved for marriage prospects, not just for fun.

But let him experience women at least, so that he knows what just friendship, enfatuation, puppy love, and lust are so that down the road he doesn't confuse them with love eternal.

Tie Guy · 01-03-2003, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by STTCT
well in the real world....strangers do date.

In the real world people kill themselves and others and bomb buildings and buses with children in them. It happens, but that doesn't mean its right, or that i have to agree with it.

I get what your saying exactly, havoc.

Havoc Stryphe · 01-03-2003, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tie Guy
I get what your saying exactly, havoc.

I figured you would. We pretty much think along the same lines. Most stuff we agree on, or at the very least, we can compromise.

WolfmanNCSU · 01-03-2003, 09:55 AM

I think its time for a group hug. AWWWWWWW