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Old 01-10-2003, 08:30 PM   #1
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CNN reports that the US Military is spamming Iraqi leaders with emails to get them to overthrow their government.
This'll work


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Old 01-10-2003, 08:51 PM   #2
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Iraq has email?
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Old 01-10-2003, 09:42 PM   #3
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lets hope they figure a way to send viruses to disable those sam launchers. =]


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Thats like the video were we spam the Taliban with salesman calling!


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Don't they think that spamming them will make them angry and hate the US more?!I wonder who came up with that crappy idea...


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What a bunch of morons. SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAMEDYSPAAAM! SPAMEDYSPAAAM! (SPAM song) Yeah thats gonna work.

ZBomber I saw that video too. Taliban!


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Old 01-10-2003, 10:25 PM   #7
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Don't they think that spamming them will make them angry and hate the US more?!I wonder who came up with that crappy idea...
Probabbly Bush...

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Old 01-11-2003, 01:55 PM   #8
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And I thought Bush couldn't get any more stupid...
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Old 01-11-2003, 08:50 PM   #9
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He's already stupid enough to try and make war on everyone while the US school system sucks, people are starving but trying to control the world is more important for him...


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Old 01-11-2003, 10:59 PM   #10
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He's already stupid enough to try and make war on everyone while the US school system sucks, people are starving but trying to control the world is more important for him...
Exactly, I agree completely. Right now the major concern is the economy, environment, and education, and he and his adminstration are doing nothing or providing ridiculous solutions to these problems. Sickening
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Old 01-11-2003, 11:21 PM   #11
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Exactly, I agree completely. Right now the major concern is the economy, environment, and education, and he and his adminstration are doing nothing or providing ridiculous solutions to these problems. Sickening
I didn't want him or Gore to win...


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Old 01-12-2003, 03:29 PM   #12
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True. Its impossible to predict what things could have changed/stayed the same if Gore was elected. But I think Bush could do a better job recognizing the immediate tasks he and his administration needs to do to help the country get back upon its feet.
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Old 01-12-2003, 06:15 PM   #13
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exactly. And a war with iraq will wreck his economy...I can't believe they vote for a crazy guy like him...

Good thing I'm in Canada...but we also have an idiot as prime minister...the difference: he doesn't have the guts to fight any war.

Did you guys know this:

Canadian troops sent to Afghanistan wore jungle uniforms instead of desert uniforms!
Like telling the Taliban, shoot me plz!


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Old 01-13-2003, 05:52 PM   #14
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That has got to be the funniest thing I have heard for a while...true or untrue.

I wonder where CNN got that...gee the media seems to have better intelligence that the military.


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That has got to be the funniest thing I have heard for a while...true or untrue.

I wonder where CNN got that...gee the media seems to have better intelligence that the military.
Sorry about double post, comp froze.


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Old 01-13-2003, 07:15 PM   #16
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But it really is true!


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Old 01-18-2003, 06:29 PM   #17
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Bush is not trying to take over the world all he is doing
is trying to eliminate possible terrorist threats

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Old 01-18-2003, 08:30 PM   #18
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nooo! of course not....(sarcasm)

and ask yourself why would terrorists attack the us...


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Old 01-21-2003, 12:28 AM   #19
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At least the US has a school system, and your grammar reflects on your schools. President Bush has been doing a great job as president, you anti-American's would be singing a different tune if you had been attacked first.

Also, what would you do in Bush's place? Let the them bomb us or fly air planes at us? If you've got a better idea, I'd like to hear it.


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Old 01-21-2003, 05:54 PM   #20
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well i'm anti-american, i'm anti-bush!

first of all, they don't really need to attack iraq, all they want is the oil.

Since saudi arabia's(the only arab ally of the us) government might be overthrown because they are allies of the us, bush needs another allie in the middle-east and by beating the crap out of saddam, he wants that the new government becomes the new us ally.

And why the hell would anyone want to attack the US?

Like Bush said: because they are jealous? because they don't have freedom?

NO! Look at Iran for example.
Why do you think they say that Iran harbors terrorists?
Because Iran's oil was once the property of the US. A great Iranian leader came to power and said that Iran's oil should be the property of Iran and they should get the profit because it's on their territory and it's theirs! So they kicked the US out and now they are looked at as terrorists because they wanted to get back what was truly theirs.

Do they really have terrorists?
maybe. but they shouldn't be pointed at first every time some crazy guy bombs a place.

and guess who controled bin laden in the 80s?
the CIA

guess who put the taliban as leader of afghanistan?
the US

You should look beyond the propaganda of Bush...


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Old 01-21-2003, 07:35 PM   #21
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Old 01-21-2003, 07:43 PM   #22
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ok, do you want that madman in control of a nuke, lukeiamyourdad? then you're a bigger idiot than i thought. it's not just because of the oil, don't you watch the news? iraq won't disarm. you need more info before you open your mouth.

anyway, back to the topic. i want the taliban's e-mail! i'd send them thousands of hand-crafted spam mail, special delivery!


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Old 01-21-2003, 11:08 PM   #23
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well i'm anti-american, i'm anti-bush!

first of all, they don't really need to attack iraq, all they want is the oil.

Since saudi arabia's(the only arab ally of the us) government might be overthrown because they are allies of the us, bush needs another allie in the middle-east and by beating the crap out of saddam, he wants that the new government becomes the new us ally.

And why the hell would anyone want to attack the US?

Like Bush said: because they are jealous? because they don't have freedom?

NO! Look at Iran for example.
Why do you think they say that Iran harbors terrorists?
Because Iran's oil was once the property of the US. A great Iranian leader came to power and said that Iran's oil should be the property of Iran and they should get the profit because it's on their territory and it's theirs! So they kicked the US out and now they are looked at as terrorists because they wanted to get back what was truly theirs.

Do they really have terrorists?
maybe. but they shouldn't be pointed at first every time some crazy guy bombs a place.

and guess who controled bin laden in the 80s?
the CIA

guess who put the taliban as leader of afghanistan?
the US

You should look beyond the propaganda of Bush...
Coming from someone who is the self-proclaimed 14 year old Lord of the Flying Guinea Pigs, I'm not going to take your American bashing too seriously. But I do have to comment on anyone who is going to bash my country. It's simple, we have the money, so we make the rules. This is why no one likes us, and the rest of the world hates us (save for a few) even more because we don't care that no one likes us. I know I don't.
We funded Bin Laden when he was the lesser of the two evils in Afghanistan, as with the Taliban. But now they are the most evil in our eyes, which is why they will be eliminated.


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Old 01-22-2003, 03:21 AM   #24
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ok, do you want that madman in control of a nuke, lukeiamyourdad? then you're a bigger idiot than i thought. it's not just because of the oil, don't you watch the news? iraq won't disarm. you need more info before you open your mouth.

One more post like that, and you will be reported. Do not bash other people because they have other opinions than you.

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ok, do you want that madman in control of a nuke, lukeiamyourdad?
I, at least do not. But I feel just as uncomfortable with Bush having nukes, he has been warmongering, not Saddam.

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. it's not just because of the oil, don't you watch the news? iraq won't disarm. you need more info before you open your mouth.
Well, there is absolutly no proof that he has chemical and biological weapons. Ever heard about 'Innocent until proven guilty'?


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Coming from someone who is the self-proclaimed 14 year old Lord of the Flying Guinea Pigs, I'm not going to take your American bashing too seriously. But I do have to comment on anyone who is going to bash my country. It's simple, we have the money, so we make the rules. This is why no one likes us, and the rest of the world hates us (save for a few) even more because we don't care that no one likes us. I know I don't.
Same to you, watch yer mouths, if you can't discuss something without insulting someone, then you should stay out of serious discussions.

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It's simple, we have the money, so we make the rules. This is why no one likes us, and the rest of the world hates us (save for a few) even more because we don't care that no one likes us. I know I don't.
You know, this guy who predicted a terrorist act against US in the close future only two weeks before 9/11, he also belives that US will not excist in 30 years. I'm nearly starting to agree with him, especially if you act like that.

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We funded Bin Laden when he was the lesser of the two evils in Afghanistan, as with the Taliban. But now they are the most evil in our eyes, which is why they will be eliminated.
Evil doesn't excist.
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Old 01-22-2003, 06:16 PM   #26
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One more post like that, and you will be reported. Do not bash other people because they have other opinions than you.
ok, if he's anti-american, i'll say whatever i want to him. i'm not just gonna sit there and watch.

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Well, there is absolutly no proof that he has chemical and biological weapons. Ever heard about 'Innocent until proven guilty'?
i never said that he did. the thing is, several weapons (such as bombs and stuff) were found that he didn't list in the weapons inventory that he said was complete. i think that's enough to make us distrust him at the very least.

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ok, that's one of the stupidist things i've heard in a long time. report me or whatever, but it is. oh, and i said your statement was, not you, so it's not flaming. but evil exists. whether you belive it does or not. and if you don't believe it exists, then it just has more power over you.


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Old 01-22-2003, 06:49 PM   #28
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Geez damn it!
First of all I'm NOT anti-american. I don't hate them. Just some stupid goons that are at the head of the government.

You may have money but hmmm...don't the US has economical problems?

Do you think that should be dealt with first?

And besides...why do you think our dear old mr Bush wants to attack Iraq now while the US had the opportunity to overthrow him 12 years ago.

Saddam may be a madman but why doesn't somebody else do it for the US?
Britain maybe?
Oh I forgot they are just the US' little pawns...

And the fact that having money doesn't mean you should "protect the world"...face the facts...the cold war made the US what it is today...they spent so much money on that they now suffer from that error...

And let me tell you something! I'm South-Vietnamese! You're gonna say your little US helped us? NO! They turned the place into a hellhole and made the war last longer so more people died! And guess what? You guys left us!!! And put economical sanctions on us! Although I came to Canada, it's still something that's left in my mind...not the way you helped us...but the way you LEFT US!

If you can even think that I should be grateful...
If you didn't help then maybe you wouldn't have lost your pride...and the carnage would have lasted a lot less longer...then maybe not so many people would have died...

And don't say that men died over there! 20 vietnamese were killed for every american.

So I highly doubt that you should even start to think that Bush's motives are good. Maybe Saddam really has a nuke...is he gonna use it? maybe yes maybe no.

But you should open your eyes and see how it really works...
And by the way I'm almost 16 and somebody who is very aware of what happens in the world. And our medias aren't affected by Bush' propaganda.
Just don't be so sure that attacking Irap is a good idea...it's gonna wreck the world economy...


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I made a mistake in my earlier post that lead everyone into thinking i'm anti-american.

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i'm anti-american i'm anti-bush
To make it clear, I wanted to say:


I'm NOT anti-american, I'm anti-Bush

So sorry if anyone thought I insulted the US which I didn't mean.


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US did not really help Vietnam during the war. The American soldiers even killed many of their allies by mistake. ****ing War. So many lives lost for......nothing. Well.....I hope it won't happen again. oh.....and lukeimyourfather......I agree with you for all what you said.


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Old 01-23-2003, 12:36 AM   #31
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i never said that he did. the thing is, several weapons (such as bombs and stuff) were found that he didn't list in the weapons inventory that he said was complete. i think that's enough to make us distrust him at the very least.
Let's talk about these "bombs and stuff". They are missiles from the late 80s with empty warheads that have a range of about 12 miles. They were found by the U.N. Inspectors in a bombed out factory. They were still packed away in their crates and they appeared to have been untouched since Desert Storm (I've heard reports that the crates were covered in bird droppings). Oh, and these empty missiles were mentioned in the inventory, they just hadn't been physically accounted for, and now they have been.

These things are far from ICBMs.


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Old 01-23-2003, 05:59 PM   #32
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I personally am of mixed opinion at the moment. Yeah, sure, the warheads were found, but JediMonk said, they were empty, and that in itself doesn't constitute a crime. But the potential is there for filling them with chemical or biological weapons, or even buying a nuclear warhead from one of the eastern european countries that has some left over stashed away from the Cold War...

But at the same time, I can honestly say that seeing as the UN weapons inspectors haven't been in Iraq for around 12 years, I reckon that's a hell of a lot of digging and burying time...

I still do believe that the US' main motivation for going to Iraq is the oil. I watched BBC News 24 today, and around 2pm, the viewers voted something like 82% - 18% that this was the case in their opinion.

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The thing is that the UK isn't getting much coverage on US general opinion towards the idea of going to war and I imaging the opposite is true as well. Just to let you know - Britain on the whole thinks the whole war thing is BS. For a start, we can't afford it either...

In a documentary on tv about the equipment that the British troops have for use in the desert - it's nigh on useless, and we're probably only being sent in as cannon fodder for the US troops (who are more likely to kill each other than the enemy, going on their past record... rplgh ) Anyway, getting back to the equipment issue, they say:

1) Most of our war vehicles were designed for Northern Europe - the Challenger tank air filters which have a normal life time of a year only last four hours in the desert. The engines constantly overheat and any attempts to counteract this results in the cabin heating up to the point where the drivers have to get out and cool down every few minutes.

2) The rotor blades on some of our helicopters have a standard life of 500 hours. The desert sand reduces this life time to 27 hours.

3) Our standard-issue boots melt in the heat.

So that's us pretty-much knackered then. An army major did say a few days ago that extra equipment was needed and had already been ordered though, but even still...




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But the potential is there for filling them with chemical or biological weapons, or even buying a nuclear warhead from one of the eastern european countries that has some left over stashed away from the Cold War...
Just like to reiterate that these things can only go 12 miles. They wouldn't even be able to reach into Israel from Iraq--not by a longshot.


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Yeah, good point there, Jedi_Monk. Oh well in that case, sod it, it doesn't matter then does it? LoL.

Just before xmas, I was walking along Oxford Street in London, and there were posters over nigh-on every empty flat surface available, telling the public how stupid the whole weapons inspectors thing is. It read...

"IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT WEAPONS THEY HAVE, JUST LOOK AT OUR RECEIPTS!!!"

...pointing out the simple fact that most of the weapons that Iraq actually has, we sold to them.

It also stated something about the oil giant Esso (or "E$$o" as they called them) were somehow involved with Bush and his "quick, let's grab all the oil for ourselves for the good of everyone" plan. Can't remember what exactly it said, but there was definitely something of significance there. Curse my lack of photographic memory... Grrr.




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ok, that's one of the stupidist things i've heard in a long time. report me or whatever, but it is. oh, and i said your statement was, not you, so it's not flaming. but evil exists. whether you belive it does or not. and if you don't believe it exists, then it just has more power over you.
Ah, let me explain that statement a bit further.

Evil people doesn't excist. It is not in human nature. Let us take Bin Laden as an example. I can admit that he is a bastard, but he only does what he thinks is best for the world! Of course, killing loads of civillians isn't good for the world, but still, he thinks he is doing good. Therefore, he is not per definition, evil, neither are any human.


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i agree qui gon every one wants what they think is best wheather they beleive in allah and use the torah or they beleive in jesus and read the bible-we do it in different ways they fell that they need to take them out while we(most americans) beleive that it is easierly done peacfully-now our govt. is made up of many things and its the big buisness men in office that wreck "oh we need oil lets make up an excuse yeah call it the ais of evil blahhh" now i would rather have bush than gore but when john mcain tried to run but wasnt elected i think he was best and then the peole who ran who are "tree huggers" what would they say "love the earth make love not evil"

this better nbot turn into another vietnam where they have no real outcome and its a war where its fought for nothing,in vietnam they drafted kids put then=m into boot camp for 8 weeks or whatever and considered them soldires ....no they need more so they were not trained in the proipper things to do and were emotionally upset some went crazy....now we have reserves that have been trained and hoinestly if in a few years i get drafted i would fight my hardest for my country becasue i am a patriot, but now the people cant hide away in college because they are rich toget away from war " ohhh but im in college i cant be drafted" no! now hahahaha senetors sons and all that can be drafted. and i say if they dont find war heads try more thins but dont wait too long im all for action if there is a direct threat like noreth karea but no they dont have oil if thuis is over oil then i say the govt. official go over there and pick up arms instead of sending our boys in to get killed , our armed forces are eccelent but i say the senators who are greedy and the cabinet who are greedy can go fight .. they try goin to boot camp and get them selves killed when we should bomb instead of putting in ground forces to get killed> sry i had to get that out-osama bin laden i can understand fighting and the taliban all that- but no war for oil-im not a hippi.


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Yeah, but what does bombing solve, Daring Dueler? You blow up cities full of people with absolutely nothing to do with the conflict. I mean, sure, occasionally, a person believing that what Saddam is doing is right will be killed, but otherwise it's pointless. Occasionally, if they get lucky, the USAF might actually hit a designated target of importance, like a military airstrip or something, instead of a hospital or a school.

The problem is this: the general idea of aerial bombardment is actually to either clear a path for ground forces or to blow up a few buildings and scare the country's rulers into saying, "oh crap, they're killing our people, we'd better get back to the negotiating table." But it doesn't seem to work like that anymore. I mean, the US bombed Afghanistan continuously for more than six months, I believe, and it took ground forces to go in and clear the remaining soldiers from what was left of the country.

The thing that gets me most of all about these "carpet bombing" campaigns is the sheer ridiculous cost. Each JDAM or cluster bomb costs tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars EACH, and the US was dropping probably about six per plane per sortie every day. What the hell is the point, when A) the entire country was a pile of rubble after the russia thing and, if not, the first week's bombing at the most anyway; B) the US economy is apparently going down the pan at the moment; C) the US education system is falling apart and the number of homeless and unemployed is skyrocketing... ? This is all money that could do with being pumped into all these projects instead, don't you think?

I understand that Bush or whoever went shouting their mouth off just after 9-11 about essentially wanting to stop such atrocities ever happening again, which is understandable, but to say that they were going to wipe out all known terrorists throughout the entire world was just stupid and over-ambitious. The problem is that he can't back out of it now, because he's committed himself and the US to it, and backing out would make them look A) stupid, B) cowardly, C) not serious, D) like they can't do it / can't afford it / can't be bothered with it anymore. I want to know how far this anti-terrorism war is going to go. Are they going to launch attacks on the Basque seperatists in France in years to come? And what about the IRA? I can't somehow see US landing forces and paratroopers deploying on the coast or Ireland near Belfast and storming several houses and Sinn Fein-related buildings, to be honest. Bush has really backed himself into a corner here.




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Oh, and before I forget, my friend just reminded me of that itme in 1998 when the US bombed a "chemical weapons factory" in Somalia. It turns out that it was actually a medicine factory which was the countries number 1 source of the malaria vaccine. That year over 10,000 people died because they never got the vaccine. It was proven to be a hospital after the bombing, but the US still hasn't apologised.

Goes further to prove the fact that bombing is not a good idea...




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honestly now - war is bad we all agree on that and what im going to say is harsh but would you rather us be bomed or them -think about that-yes bombs are bad but i personnaly would rather have there armies bombed than ours-yes there will probly be savilian caulties but those are caulties of war -would you rther have us get bombed and have you family be a casulty of war-noone would so if it comes down to it they willl probly be bombed and civiains will die-noonne said war was easy.


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honestly now - war is bad we all agree on that and what im going to say is harsh but would you rather us be bomed or them -think about that-yes bombs are bad but i personnaly would rather have there armies bombed than ours-yes there will probly be savilian caulties but those are caulties of war -would you rther have us get bombed and have you family be a casulty of war-noone would so if it comes down to it they willl probly be bombed and civiains will die-noonne said war was easy.


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