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Old 02-15-2005, 09:15 AM   #41
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the email reply off bill tiller sounds a lot like the exact thing said by a fan on scumm bar.com sounds like meaning=exactly like
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Old 02-15-2005, 09:21 AM   #42
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the email reply off bill tiller sounds a lot like the exact thing said by a fan on scumm bar.com sounds like meaning=exactly like
Meaning what? ¨


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Old 02-15-2005, 09:21 AM   #43
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the email reply off bill tiller sounds a lot like the exact thing said by a fan on scumm bar.com sounds like meaning=exactly like
Meaning what. ¨


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Old 02-16-2005, 06:36 AM   #44
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End of MI2: Chucky's eyes flare with lightning.
Reason: Ron wanted to keep it open for potential sequels.
MI3: Potential sequel.
CMI: Sequel

Why is this so hard for people.
I have no idea!! I just started a thread saying the same thing and Remio shut it down immediately - God knows why, he won't answer my PM's.

Fact: Monkey Island 2 ended with a line of dialogue to let people know Guybrush was under a curse... Why?
Reason: So they could keep it open for sequels. Period.

Why Remio and others disagree with this is absolutely beyond my comprehension.




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Old 02-16-2005, 06:40 AM   #45
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Poor little Thunderpeel. :~


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Old 02-16-2005, 06:57 AM   #46
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*wah!*

If only I possessed the prowse and verbal skill of "scummlocal" THEN my threads would remain open!

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Old 02-16-2005, 08:40 PM   #47
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You mean prowess.

Prowse is

Wow, my verbal skill rul0rz!!

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Old 02-17-2005, 06:25 PM   #48
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Yes, I meant having the West-Country twang of body builder David Prowse. Honest.

Ok, I actually meant prose (too). Somehow I cleverly mingled two words into one uber-word, thus saving space > whch saved electricity > which saved coal > which helped save our planet's natural resources > and thus helped preserve the entire human race! I'm a hero!

So you see it's actually rather clever.

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Old 03-01-2005, 12:30 PM   #49
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Itís not just stupid, itís also very hard to use in a sequel. I wonder what Ron Gilbert had planned...
I know exactly what he had planned. It's obvious by the way LeChuck has his revenge. He wanted to end the series. He wanted Guybrush trapped inside the ammusement park until the rest of his life. I know this by the way that it is impossible to save him from this in a sequal. You never do find out how Guybrush escaped, do you? Maybe the new writers (of CMI) couldn't work out a plausable escape, either, so dicided to leave it asa mystery.

At least, that's how I understood the ending.


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Old 04-21-2005, 05:48 PM   #50
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I always just thought that the whole last sequence with LeChuck was a transition to another world. The whole point Guybrush was looking for Big Whoop was to escape from LeChuck by going into another world. LeChuck got there first waiting for him with his Voodoo doll to have his final revenge. But when Guybrush smashed the treasure chest, he opened the gateway into this other world, something LeChuck got caught in as well. The thing about this other world, they didn't just go there, it slowly made them become apart of it. At first making LeChuck think he was Guybrush's brother slowly making him into his brother. In the end they where both turned into Kids leaving the sequel open to have Guybrush escape or just have Guybrush live his life again growing up with his parents.

Even if it was intended to be his imagination, it doesn't fit with the whole LeChuck turning around and Elaine's line at the end.

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Old 04-22-2005, 07:12 AM   #51
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The carnival was a curse LeChuck put on Guybrush? It's so obvious why LeChuck put him there. What does Guybrush hate most in the world (other than porcelain) ? Authority. He has hated almost every person who has power over him (except Elaine, but she doesn't count) that's why he's a pirate. So what could be better than an alternate reality in which he is a little kid with no power whatsoever trapped inside a theme park with parents to tell him off whenever he does something piratey?


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Old 04-22-2005, 03:25 PM   #52
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The carnival was a curse LeChuck put on Guybrush? It's so obvious why LeChuck put him there. What does Guybrush hate most in the world (other than porcelain) ? Authority. He has hated almost every person who has power over him (except Elaine, but she doesn't count) that's why he's a pirate. So what could be better than an alternate reality in which he is a little kid with no power whatsoever trapped inside a theme park with parents to tell him off whenever he does something piratey?
So what was the whole sending Guybrush screaming to a world of infinte pain thing? Wouldn't THAT have been worse? Also Guybrush started to believe he was a little kid, that wouldn't have been half as bad as a grown adult being stuck in a kids body. Just a thought...

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Old 08-18-2005, 03:25 AM   #53
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I, for one, adored the MI2 ending. It was totally stoked. Not that anyone cares, since this thread is about as crusty as that disgusting frozen pizza in my freezer that's about a year after its "Sell By" date.

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Old 08-18-2005, 05:41 AM   #54
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Yeah it was a great ending. I just laughed though, because, you know, Monkey Island is basically a series of comedy games.

Oh I also loved the list of things you could do now! Have a shouting match with your dog... haha
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Old 08-18-2005, 10:52 AM   #55
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Well I actually played them in a weird order: 3,4,1,2 So to me the ending to Monkey 2 was completely reasonable! Theres only one plot inconsistency in the whole series that annoys me, apart from that its just awesome!


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Old 08-18-2005, 03:16 PM   #56
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Old 08-18-2005, 06:01 PM   #57
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The bit where in Monkey 1, Herman goes to Monkey Island with his navigator on the Sea monkey. But then, so that he can be H.T. Marley, in Monkey 4 he ends up being shipwrecked alone, not being able to remember anything before he got to the island.


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Old 08-29-2005, 05:36 AM   #58
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Hm...am I missing something here?

I never even remembered the whole curse reference Elaine makes. I myself just think it's a red herring.

No, I took the ending to be that MI 1 and MI 2 had been the daydream of some kid in a fairground. I've only had the opportunity to see the start of MI 3, but I just assumed he started daydreaming again.

The whole Big Whoop, alternate universe thing is an interesting idea though.
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:29 PM   #59
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Well it's clearly obvious that Ron Gilbert is the only one who really knows what was going on...not Bill Tiller...not John Ackley...not anybody who isn't Ron Gilbert. However I know exactly what happened between LCR and CMI.

But that's for a later date...I've got to get to bed. I have to get up in 7.5 hours.
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Old 08-30-2005, 02:05 AM   #60
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Old 08-30-2005, 12:08 PM   #61
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Old 08-30-2005, 01:32 PM   #62
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Old 09-02-2005, 06:20 PM   #63
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Old 09-03-2005, 09:34 PM   #64
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The bit where in Monkey 1, Herman goes to Monkey Island with his navigator on the Sea monkey. But then, so that he can be H.T. Marley, in Monkey 4 he ends up being shipwrecked alone, not being able to remember anything before he got to the island.
According to Herman in EMI, once he escaped the whirpool he was washed up "on the other side of the world," with no memory of who he was or where he came from. He actually doesn't say that it's Monkey Island, so there's no indication that he was stranded or trapped anywhere. He then says that he took the name Herman Toothrot from the letters on his accordion. It's my assumption that he went to Melee under this identity and during this time sailed along with another guy (the captain of the Sea Monkey who wrote the diary and accidentally hanged himself while putting up a swing) in hopes of finding the Secret of Monkey Island. The events of MI1 happen, and at the time of MI4 when Guybrush finds him he had suffered total amnesia from being it on the head with various things. Guybrush eventually cures his amnesia, not just by returning him his memory from since his days on Monkey Island but of his true idenity - Grandpa Marley - when he hits him with that accordion.
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Old 09-04-2005, 12:47 PM   #65
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Ah the old theory.

You of course have to assume that he was so messed up when he found himself on Melee that no one recognised him to as the Governor he was and so couldn't jog his memory.

But apart from that, yeah, that works. It's still annoying that one would have to come up with this huge theory just to explain the plot hole away, but if we didn't have that, what else would we have had to keep ourselves busy after it's release.

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Old 09-04-2005, 08:39 PM   #66
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Considering everyone thought he was dead and he probably looked a bit unkempt and different, I don't think it's such a hard sell. I'll admit the theory is somewhat convoluted, but not enough to convince me that the twist was a complete hack job thrown together to supply a cheap surprise for the story. It does work.
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Old 09-04-2005, 08:52 PM   #67
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Yeah, but it could have been better, it takes a great deal of thinking to get around what is initially, a gaping plot hole. Admit it, when you first saw that twist, something didn't quite add up at first.

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Old 09-04-2005, 09:41 PM   #68
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Actually, when I first saw it I didn't even bother thinking about whether or not it made sense with the story of the past games. But yeah, I did think it was a plot hole later. And now I don't.
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Old 09-05-2005, 12:52 PM   #69
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When I first saw it, I burned my game disc 1. The rest went up in flames after Monkey Kombat.

But I suppose it does work to fill in the plot hole, so thanks for sharing that.

Now convince me that the giant monkey head being a robot isn't a plot hole, after you use its spine as steps under Monkey Island. Then, perhaps I'll play EMI once again.

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Old 09-05-2005, 12:54 PM   #70
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Duh. The other hidden passage.
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Old 09-05-2005, 04:14 PM   #71
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Yeah, that one was pretty easy to get my mind around. Didn't make it any more annoying though. I have fond memories of the first time I slid down the throat of that Giant Monkey.

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Old 09-07-2005, 03:08 PM   #72
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I know this thread is really old, and I've kind of argued with Remi and Jake about this in the past, and despite all the evidence to the contrary, I still think that this is all just people getting carried away with the title. The Secret Of Monkey Island - sounds cool to me! I'll buy it.

Then the secret would either be the location of Monkey Island itself, or maybe the fact that LeChuck lived there in a ghost ship. There might have been a long-running "plot" that could have been spread over three games, but to me that doesn't suggest that there is actually a secret that has only been alluded to. I mean, no-one quibbles about what "curse" means in The Curse of Monkey Island. I mean, technically it makes more sense as The Curse of Plunder Island, or The Curse of the Ring... but maybe not, because I can't remember a lot of the plot of CMI. Towards the end, anyway. So all that ghost-bride / theme park business might validate the title.

It doesn't matter anyway, because all I'm trying to say is that people are reading too much into the title.


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Old 09-07-2005, 05:39 PM   #73
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Perhaps LeChuck found the rind at MI, there's not a whole lot of explanation behind the curse, but that doesn't really matter.

As for the Secret of Monkey Island, before I'd even laid eyes upon an Intgernet forum, I'd always assumed it was just a cool name and didn't have to mean much, I still loved the game. But Ron has said again and again (or at least hinted to) that there is a secret... but again, he could just be leading us on for the fun of it...I know I would.

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Wink Mmhhh, rinds...

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Perhaps LeChuck found the rind at MI...

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Now convince me that the giant monkey head being a robot isn't a plot hole, after you use its spine as steps under Monkey Island. Then, perhaps I'll play EMI once again.
I reckon (as I have said before) they should have made the REAL monkey's silver head, combined with the other parts of the ultimate insult, bring the monkey to life, so that they can control it. Why couldn't I be on their team?


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When I saw the ending for the first time I took it for that Big Whoop was something that grants wishes. And Guybrush says when the parents come in the dream that they left him, so obviously he would be scarred and be wanting to be with them so that is his wish.. But Chucky is still LeChuck back then hece the eye thing, so that is why the Big Whoop finders hid the Big Whoop map, because even though it grants wishes there was allways a catch

This may just be me over-analyzing the whole thing though.
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Old 06-09-2006, 09:44 AM   #78
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Hey all, just so this storey makes sense to everyone im 21 and from the Uk.

Christmas 1990 my dad bought me an Amiga 600 - with a few games, include Monkey Island 1 - this was my first ever computer game, and without doubt the best.
However being around 5 years old at the time it took me about a year to get as far as practicing insults (to become a swordmaster) before i finally gave up and never played it again.

Then in 1998 i got Monkey Island 3 and was blown away (its an ace game) Then monkey island 4 (which i didnt like the 3d interface if im honest-but still a good game).

Anyway - cutting a long storey short lol, Last week i downloaded monkey island 1 & 2. Just completed both. Monkey island 1 brought back so many happy memories, and monkey island 2 - was an improvment in graphics, however i did feel like the game was rushed somehow...like the middle part of the game - finding the map pieces took ages, yet the rest of the game (part 3 an 4) happened so quick, and of course the ending - which was a real disapointment.

Iv read many theories and explanations - bout the theme park and such, but i think to myself - nah thats just a cr@p ending.
Mind thinks do seem to be true bout it being a theme park, but apparently they WILL MAKE AN MONKEY ISLAND 5 - in 2015
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If you got that "2015" thing from what that guy said at E3, you may as well just take that as a joke and accept, like many of us have, that Monkey Island 5 will never be made, at least by Lucas Arts.

As for Monkey2, many of the fans of the games consider this to be the best game of the four. While the 4 acts aren't that well balanced, it is still a decent length for a game of that time and the graphics, humour and story were all expanded upon from the first game brilliantly. But to each their own I guess.

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From the difference of Guybrush's character in MI2 and CMI, then CMI's character not changing much in EMI, maybe (well, if MI5 were to come out, but I doubt it) MI5 is meant to be after MI2 and CMI and EMI are LeChuck's 'curse'. Or not. Keep up the dead thread revival!
EDIT: or it could be (instead of 'curse') that Guybrush is in 'big whoop', an alternate world as explained by the voodoo lady. It is the source of LeChucks power, so maybe LeChuck is totally dead but his power is ruling there. Or, also, this whole thing is just oversight on the production team.

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