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Old 04-02-2003, 11:11 PM   #1
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How to stop the idiotic RPG elements that will be forced upon you in JK3

Don't follow them. It's as simple as that. Go hack and slash all the idiots standing around doing the emote crap. If/when you get booted, go to another server. Do it again.

If more and more people start doing this, all the RPG crap will die away. The newbies who whine will either leave or adapt.

I hate that part of JK2 - you can't just go on and start whoring peeps. You gotta bow, turn your saber off, acknowledge that they aren't ready yet, bow again, etc. etc. etc. I hate it. Absolutely hate it.

When JK3 is released, I'm killing anybody and everybody.

End of story.
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Old 04-02-2003, 11:27 PM   #2
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lol good call.


Well unless your in a clan you won't have to worry about that, and I doubt you'll be able to take on whole clans.

So unfortunatly you'll just have to put up with it's existance. But I'm all for ridding the pathetic kid servers of RPG crap.

But not many of them do that anyway.

Mabee you should start a clan dedicated to screwing over other clans and thier crappy anoying protocalls.

Good luck.

As for me, I don't mind a little noble bow now and then. And when your in a clan, it's a little different. But good luck riding the world of bad rubish.


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Old 04-02-2003, 11:37 PM   #3
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I pray to all that is holy that KOTOR and Galaxies will rid us of this foolishness. But, alas, it seems too much to hope for.

Most a pity.
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Old 04-02-2003, 11:43 PM   #4
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I pray to all that is holy that KOTOR and Galaxies will rid us of this foolishness. But, alas, it seems too much to hope for.

Most a pity.
I don't understand How can Kotor rid JKIII of RPG aspects?


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Old 04-03-2003, 12:18 AM   #5
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Re: How to stop the idiotic RPG elements that will be forced upon you in JK3

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Don't follow them. It's as simple as that. Go hack and slash all the idiots standing around doing the emote crap. If/when you get booted, go to another server. Do it again.

If more and more people start doing this, all the RPG crap will die away.
What a mature attitude. Sir, I salute you. *salutes*

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The newbies who whine will either leave or adapt.
Newbies? Excuse me sir, but if you're going in there killing everyone with no rhyme or reason, it appears that you're acting sort of newb-ish.


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I hate that part of JK2 - you can't just go on and start whoring peeps. You gotta bow, turn your saber off, acknowledge that they aren't ready yet, bow again, etc. etc. etc. I hate it. Absolutely hate it.
Whoring peeps is the way you like to play? Jeez, I don't think that's the point of the game...it may be in an FFA, but if you're dueling, then by all means no. Who respects an opponent who comes in and slashes the living crap out of everyone?

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When JK3 is released, I'm killing anybody and everybody.
What name will you be playing under? I'd like to ban you in advance from any servers I run.

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Old 04-03-2003, 12:23 AM   #6
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I agree 100%, I hate this repeated bow crap. When you're in a duel there's a period where nothing happens; when that's over I like to rush and attack.
I fight more people than I'd like who bow, and then I don't bow in return, so they sit there with their saber off while I run at them from about 20 feet away and start hitting them. Then they whine about laming.
So the fact that we were in a duel, and I ran at you form some distance away with my lightsaber on wasn't a clue that I was going to try to hit you?

If I run a server, people are going to have to bow to each other every time someone gets hit. If a player takes falling damage during a duel, the server will bow to both duelers and ask if he should switch to a different map. Regardless of the outcome, all three will bow to each other, one at a time to ensure that everyone is ready. Then the duelers will re-bow. When someone's shields run out, both players must bow. If you hit someone in the back, you must bow to the opponent and anyone who was watching the duel. Then you bow to the person you hit again. Then both players bow to each other. Bow me.


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Old 04-03-2003, 12:40 AM   #7
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Newbies? Excuse me sir, but if you're going in there killing everyone with no rhyme or reason, it appears that you're acting sort of newb-ish.
I think your alone in that. I'dd have to side with bacon. Little whiners who complain about other people not RPGing is annoying. If it's not a clan server or a specific RPGing server, then to "F"ing bad for them.

Thiers nothing newbish about shooting in a FPS, that's the whole point. Shoot evrything. The thing that's newbish is missing.

The thing that's newbish is expecting evrything your own way. You don't always get what you want in life, somthing normal people teach thier kids from a young age.

But if you want to RPG go ahead. I don't mind bowing at someone who bows, I don't mind the whole RPG thing, if it's kept where it belongs, that is in RPG specified servers. NOT evrywhere.

If some nerdy little kid feels cool bowing and being a jedi master, fine I'll bow, and then kick his "AHEM!"

But sometimes, if I just don't feel like fulfiling the kids fantasy, I'll chop his little head off when he's not ready. That's what the stupid kids get for killing me when the game just starts and I'm setting my stats, and despite the blue thing right above my head they kill me anyways. But I don't wine about it, I still win! so what's to complain about?


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Old 04-03-2003, 12:59 AM   #8
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First off, I would like to make it clear that my post is slightly sarcastic, and shouldn't be taken straight up.

Anyway, I'm not about being mature in games. I buy/will buy JK2/3 because it's a FIRST PERSON SHOOTER. Not a ROLE PLAYING GAME. If I want to live out my fantasy world, I'll join a clan server or I'll buy an RPG.

If I want to kill other players and do it by any means necessary ("Kick whore!!!"), I'll pick up JK2/3. That's what I bought it for - fast, frantic fragging with a snazzy Star Wars flavor. It's Quake 3 with lightsabers. It's not Final Fantasy with lightsabers.

On clan servers I'll do what they want or I'll just leave. And if the server itself has a rule of "don't hit players with saber off," I'll leave or I'll do what they say. Although it'll be just as bad if 95% of all servers have that rule, which is about how JK2 is right now....

But frankly, I don't care if you want to do your little RPG crap on a public, non-clan server. I DON'T want to do your RPG crap - why should *I* have to do what *YOU* want all the time? There are servers out there for YOU to do the RPG smut, go THERE and do it. On public/generic servers, *I* get to do what *I* want - frag everybody and anybody.. take advantage of them turning their saber off in the middle of a battle like an idiot..

I'll admit to getting really frustrated with CONSTANT kicking, but hey, if they can pull it off that well, they deserve the kills. It's skillful, and it works - that's why people hate it. They are better than you, and they will get more kills.

In the 1.03 patch, I was pretty good at the "backslash" attack. I know that many of you will say that that was "cheap" and "unskillful," but I'd disagree. It took me many, many games to get that move to work every time I tried it. And then many more to do it so that the other guy died.. it took PRACTICE to do that. I was good at it, and I was good at dodging it. Then in 1.04, they basically removed it (it now does minimal damage.. strange for having a white hot blade go through your chest...) because everybody was whining because they kept dying in a QUAKE 3 GAME. Tell me, should they remove the railgun in Quake 3 because a person uses the SAME ATTACK (left clicking) every time? With the backslashing, it was your own fricking fault for dying.. when somebody turns their back to you, RUN AWAY, don't stand there like an idiot and take it. I died FAR fewer times via the backslash when compared to how many people I killed with it - why is that?

If you still want to pre-ban me for wanting to play the game how it's supposed to be played (and how it is designed to be played), my name will be "Bacon_00." I'll give you my IP at the time of launch as well, so you can make sure I won't be coming on. I for one don't want to be playing on your server if it's RPG-Knight 3.
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Old 04-03-2003, 01:06 AM   #9
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As a side note, I'd like to add that although JK3 is taking an RPG turn, it's more like Deus Ex than a real RPG. It's still all about fast, frantic killing with a lightsaber and guns. There is a place for RPG elements in JK3, but not to the degree I'm sure we'll be seeing it ("OMGWTF YOU HIT ME WITH SABER OFF.. BAN BAN BAN BAN BAN!!!!!")
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Old 04-03-2003, 01:09 AM   #10
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Old 04-03-2003, 01:32 AM   #11
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i dont under stand why the non-rpg people just dont play the rpg part of it. i dont play jk2 for rpg elements, but i dont go around in mass ffa's all the time either, sure i do occasioally, but im interested in the one on one aspect of it, pitting yourself agaist another player to see who is more masterful at the game. Yes i bow, but i dont requre anyone else to, i bow, turn on saber, get up fight, takes half a second. I think that if there are rpg elements in jk3, let the rpg-ers use them, and everyone else can play however they want, i dont want to eliminate any part of the game that someone may enjoy, just as i dont want to eliminate anypart that allows the ffa ppl to rain death upon all with lightning, grip kicks, dfa maddness.

even i do that sometimes, i think that everyone should be able to enjoy jk3 whether you want to ctf, ffa, or duel. so i think that any rpg-like elements RAven puts in are fine, i just wont be using any of them, its not like i want them gone. i mean, take for example, i rarely use a forcefeild since i dont play team games, does that mean i think it should be gone simply because my style of play doesnt use it? of course not.

so in essence, all i have to say, is i hope that everyone who wants to play this game, can do so however they like, and that everyone will allow everyone else to have fun (haha, fat chance). good games folks, and i hope to saber you up sometime

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Old 04-03-2003, 01:34 AM   #12
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I don't personally start going off RPGing...but if I find a server that does...I play along.


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Old 04-03-2003, 11:24 AM   #13
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I don't understand How can Kotor rid JKIII of RPG aspects?
Well, maybe I'm a bit off base here, but JO seems to be a very difficult game to turn into a reasonable RPG. For the most part, to me it just lacks the required elements. So why are so many people trying to RPG in JO?

I always thought it was because there really isn't a SW game that lends itself to RPGing. However, KOTOR and Galaxies are designed for roleplaying. So hopefully those that want to RPG in the Star Wars universe will have those games to play, leaving JO and JK3 to the FPSers.

If I was unclear, I ment that those games might rid us of RPG players, not RPG aspects. This, of course, remains to be seen.
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Old 04-03-2003, 11:26 AM   #14
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I don't personally start going off RPGing...but if I find a server that does...I play along.
I usually just leave and try to find a server that is actually playing JO...
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Old 04-03-2003, 11:53 AM   #15
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well rpging and whatever is completely fine as you paid money for the game and you can play it however the hell you want to. the only thing i have with it is when rpgers come to the gametype i play (full force CTF). and call me dishonorable cause i dont stop to fight them or i selfkill (something apparently that no self-respecting jedi would ever do... how the **** do they know what a 'jedi' would really do?) or i dont use the lightsaber so i'm not a 'real jedi.' i think these people are the most idiotic people in the world and sometimes i even take time of my game to repeatedly kick them to death just for being so goddamn ignorant. i'll admit i used to be a nf duelist and some of the most fun i ever had was pitting myself against a good opponent thereby gaining respect for him and bowing to him next round. these battles of individual skill are great but i dont sit there and pretend i'm some sith lord battling a jedi knight long long ago on some far away planet. it's just when bowing and all that nonsense is taken too far in an internet game that it gets annoying. there is no such thing as 'honor' in a world of anonymity and i hate these children constantly reproaching me for something that they dont even know anything about.

ps.s on a side note i've found that if in a ff guns game some rpg nerd tries to bow to you, a swift rocket to the grill quickly sets his priorities in order. if only sabers are enabled the funniest and greatest thing to shut them up is to use only the stun baton or kicks to kill them. it seems that the majority of rpgers are horrificly bad at this game so when they lose in such a humiliating way they tend to leave. =)


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Old 04-03-2003, 03:26 PM   #16
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I got sick of JK2 when I got kicked off every FFA server I joined for... killing people. What's worse is that I was deliberately not taking cheap shots, I was giving people a chance, I let them take the first shot/slash... yet within 5 minutes of joining a server I would get booted.

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Old 04-03-2003, 05:45 PM   #17
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I said it in Shocks post Ill say it here.

You people are really getting kinda old with this too :P
These people you speak of , who force you to bow before duels and other crap. Are not RPGers Call them Fanboys instead. True RPers dont do **** like this. Honestly I doubt any of you have been in a Real JKO RPG before even most of the ones that are clearly labeled RPGs are lame containing MGS2 Characters, Matrix Characters, DEmos,Vampires,and all sorts of other crtap that would never be in a SW Universe. True RPGs are so Hard to find ,as well as True RPers. When RPing you forget everything you learned in JKO. Most RPGs are lame stories and just big TFFAs such as the Infamous and Horrid Deathstar RPG *sjudders* I mean thats just a big TFFA with a little (VERY LITTLE) story thrown into it ,and its a horrible way to consider that an RPG. I will be runnig RPG Servers (using RPG Mods) in JK3 and there is no way you can stop me,cause I am running a server specifically for that. Im not running a CTF server or FFA server and forcing you to bow,type I love you and you are my Master 47 times,and then slice you while you are bowing to me,and anything that doent happen my way results in Admin Commands. Thats wrong and that is not an RPG so plz stop confusing the Two.
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On many occasions you will see them with a friend who is *dum dum DAHHHHH* a Server Owner Yes thats right these lamers now have something noone usually abuses...POWER ..and any time you kill them,say anything bad about them or Pokemon,or pull anything into your hand besides a lightsaber you get banned/kicked/sleepd/slapped/frozen/ (my Favorite) invisible choked. After going into one of these servers I usually flood them to cause lag and then leave (To Flood a Server: hmmm maybe for next episode )


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Old 04-03-2003, 06:05 PM   #18
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in FFA.. if your saber is down you deserved to get killed. In a duel you can't exactly spawn camp, and in most cases the spawn points are far enough away from eachother where you have the time to collect yourself. Bacon00... your right when you say too much RPGing in an action game is retarded. I wouldn't worry about it too much. There are plenty of peeps like you who are gonna be in JKIII, so the Force will be balanced... I'm sure :P


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Old 04-03-2003, 06:50 PM   #21
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RPG? I usually don't no saber as most servers take turns dueling in FFA, there is usually a small FFA battle going on as well. I don't mind waiting for a duel. I never saw an RPG server before :P.




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Old 04-03-2003, 07:07 PM   #22
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here's an idea... play vanilla jk2 if you don't want to see emotes. also, how is bowing role playing?


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Old 04-03-2003, 07:54 PM   #23
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Re: How to stop the idiotic RPG elements that will be forced upon you in JK3

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Don't follow them. It's as simple as that. Go hack and slash all the idiots standing around doing the emote crap. If/when you get booted, go to another server. Do it again.

If more and more people start doing this, all the RPG crap will die away. The newbies who whine will either leave or adapt.

I hate that part of JK2 - you can't just go on and start whoring peeps. You gotta bow, turn your saber off, acknowledge that they aren't ready yet, bow again, etc. etc. etc. I hate it. Absolutely hate it.

When JK3 is released, I'm killing anybody and everybody.

End of story.
Oh that sounds just about right,considering killing all the "whiny newbies" remember this you'll be a newb, and that your whining now,so your being a hypocrit,another thing,I don't consider bowing an rpg rule,I consider it A jedi outcast rule,practicly no matter what server you go to your going to end up doing it,and if you do run around and start hacking away at people,And as a matter of fact im one of them....Let's just say I lame the lamers without any thought,So here is a warning,shut the f*** up and quick spittin crap,Or i'll hunt you down, damn lamer.


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Old 04-03-2003, 07:59 PM   #24
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*Key music.

[Star Wars text crawl]

A long time ago in a game called Jedi Outcast...

At first people were content to play the game as it was intended: a fast paced first person shooter based in the Star Wars universe.

These were prosperous times, the game was receiving outstanding reviews and players were engrossed in all of the action the game offered.

Then came the dark times, the age of the Fan Boy saber noobies...

At first their motives seemed innocent enough, a little whining about heavy stance, an occasional cry about the DFA, nothing seemed different than the whining most newbies do in any game.

But there was much more to their movement than was apparent.
They began brain washing legions of newbies who had never even played a first person shooter into believing that practice and strategy was futile.

Patches were their means to salvation from the oppression of the dreaded players plaguing them.

At this time they declared a doctrine upon all of JK2 hence to be known as the "Saberist Code".

Any person who actually tried to play the game as it had been for months was to be branded a "Lamer" and voted off any and all public servers.

Bowing and saber off = peace were used to strike fear into the hearts of the newer players. Conform or be banned. With limited options they did as their oppressors wished and hence this became the norm.

During their reign of oppression through incessant whining they brought forth more patches in an attempt to cover their lack of ability and drove many a player away from the game never to be seen again.

Just when all seemed lost came a new hope:

Jedi Knight 3

At first the legion of Fan boy saber noobies thought that their grasp on this new game was firm.

But hiding in the shadows were the players who had been banned and kicked far too many times and were not willing to give into the GAY SIDE of the force.

Armed not with a saber but with two hands they raised both high, extended their middle fingers and told their oppressors to go themselves...



[/Star Wars text crawl]

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Old 04-03-2003, 08:10 PM   #25
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Old 04-03-2003, 08:43 PM   #26
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Jedi220: Fanboys infest all servers, not just duel servers. And "killing without rhyme or reason" is what the FPS genre is all about. That's not a matter for debate.

Ronin_Medjai: There could never be enough anti-fanboy sentiment. NEVER.

Mobius Berreta.: It would be dishonourable to tell you to learn to spell, so I'll tell you to try to form a coherent sentence with no swear-words in it instead. Bowing is not a "Jedi Outcast rule," there ARE no Jedi Outcast rules. It isn't a rule etched in stone just because you, and the fanboys, say it is.

DeTRiTiC-iQ: I couldn't agree more, you're absolutely, 100% correct in every respect.

t3rr0r: Bowing is RPGing because you're using your player models to enact some sort of ritual, playing your roles, taking yourself and each other too seriously. Bowing is negative because it takes up precious time, when others are always waiting to duel. RPGing on public servers is negative because the RPGing player is taking up a player slot that could be used by someone who really wants to play the game properly, and have fun doing it.

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Jedi Outcast is about two things, fun, and the score. There, I said it. It's about the score. It's about the number of kills (or team caps) you have at the end of the game. If it wasn't about the kills, there wouldn't be a scoreboard. FPS games are about the score, about having fun, and about having fun trying to get the best score. FPS games are not roleplaying games. They are not designed for roleplaying, and roleplayers who invade public servers are both annoying to regular players and are wasting their own time in the process.

There is nothing stopping RPGers from creating their own servers and their own portion of the community, and indeed some RPGers do that. But the RPGers that don't, are evil, apathetic fanboys. They must be shunned and eradicated, for the good of all. The fanboys give RPGers a bad name, and they drive serious and casual players right up the wall.


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Old 04-03-2003, 08:59 PM   #27
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Mobius Berreta.: It would be dishonourable to tell you to learn to spell, so I'll tell you to try to form a coherent sentence with no swear-words in it instead. Bowing is not a "Jedi Outcast rule," there ARE no Jedi Outcast rules. It isn't a rule etched in stone just because you, and the fanboys, say it is.
Seriously it doesn't matter if you can spell correctly or not,as long as your trying to get the point across.
Second of all I said "I" consider bowing a rule,I never said it was an actuall rule.
Im just saying almost every single server you go to if you don't bow before a dual starts and just attack,it is considered modding,or laming infact>.>
AND SO YOU WILL BE PUNISHED<.<
But seriously, going into other servers just to kill isn't exactly honourable if you do most of it by laming, Especialy when your using a kill tracker, I and many other's I assume would see that as jack-asstory.
Im not saying that everyone has to follow my word,but it just seems more rightful now, and any way the thread starter can't exactly say that he's gonna run around killing everyone on JK3 because we don't exactly know what the multiplayer is going to be like you know.
Bleh o.O,whatever.


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Old 04-03-2003, 09:14 PM   #28
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Old 04-03-2003, 09:14 PM   #29
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i kinda like the bow crap.... but it does get anoying. especialy when people say i am laming because i like blue stance... (your laming because u like yellow) *caugh* lol. i am sorry to say, but i think jk3 will have that crap in it.
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But seriously, going into other servers just to kill isn't exactly honourable if you do most of it by laming, Especialy when your using a kill tracker, I and many other's I assume would see that as jack-asstory



Question:

Any other first person shooters that have the phrase "lamer/laming" tossed around as much as in JK2?

Nope.

Sure "llama" but that's not the same thing.

I don't see people bitching in Counter-Strike "OMGF he lamed me I didn't have my AK-47 out".

I don't see people in standing around in a FFA in games like UT2003 watching two guys fight.

I don't see RTCW players crying "WTF man don't call in an air strike here can't you see my chat box?"



You fan boy saber off = peace idiots are the reason these damn servers are empty, when will you get it through your thick heads?

You make people who bought this game and want to play a cool SW FPS sick and drive them out and away from it with your stupid "codes of honor".

Yes people like YOU, not me, are the types of people who cried for crappy patches.

We "lamers" never bitched about DFA's or back stabs, it was YOU people.

So if you want to get mad about people bashing your stupid "Saber honor Codes" garbage, get used to it. It will get worse and only worse until you either play the game or leave for a true RPG.
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Old 04-03-2003, 10:33 PM   #31
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i bow down out of respect, if u dont bow and u attack me, i jump out of the way and attack back. its simple, no one needs to be banned. they say u shouldnt attack when the other guys saber iis off because he doesnt have a chance to fight...or if hes typing or something like that...other than that, if there saber is on, ill slash em'

if there saber is off and they use force, or kick me something ike that ill slash em' but only if they attack me 1st.

jk2 is not an rpg, it is an action game, so i dont play it like an rpg. thats how i play at the top, i use emotes too sometimes, just because they look cool.
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Old 04-03-2003, 11:40 PM   #32
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Question:

Any other first person shooters that have the phrase "lamer/laming" tossed around as much as in JK2?

Nope.

Sure "llama" but that's not the same thing.

I don't see people bitching in Counter-Strike "OMGF he lamed me I didn't have my AK-47 out".

I don't see people in standing around in a FFA in games like UT2003 watching two guys fight.

I don't see RTCW players crying "WTF man don't call in an air strike here can't you see my chat box?"



You fan boy saber off = peace idiots are the reason these damn servers are empty, when will you get it through your thick heads?

You make people who bought this game and want to play a cool SW FPS sick and drive them out and away from it with your stupid "codes of honor".

Yes people like YOU, not me, are the types of people who cried for crappy patches.

We "lamers" never bitched about DFA's or back stabs, it was YOU people.

So if you want to get mad about people bashing your stupid "Saber honor Codes" garbage, get used to it. It will get worse and only worse until you either play the game or leave for a true RPG.
Your comparing jk2 to First person shooters,well This is easy for me to answer but may be confusing for you to get.
Look at jk2,most of it now has based it self on sabre's and not blasters.
So new rules were conjered up,Like whats his face said they may not be writen in "stone" but they still stand by many server owners and what not.
Quake 3,unreal tourny,counter strike, all amazing games,the only flaw is none of them(excluding unreal) have swords or anything,and are all based on war exactly,Nothing more, and no matter what they give you an edge,more excitment because the fun in most of these games is the dying,and the only reason why it doesnt get annoying is because thats all the game is about,killing.
JK2 on the other hand has many flaws according to this,I have no problem with what you say that people dont go around in other games saying lamer or whatever,but in jk2 it's going to happen more,and the only reason is is because jk2 has based it self on this so called rp type format.
It wasn't ment to,it just happend.
But seriously I have a problem with people running around saying that they gonna end up killin all of them just for doing something that they believe is mandatory,it makes no sense, and so it being lame gave birth to lamness and so on and so forth.
And thats where I come in, when I hear people saying their going to lame because they don't like something then tough!
MAKE YOUR OWN SERVER AND SET YOUR OWN DAMN RULES IF YOU CAN'T RESPECT OTHER'S CHOICES.
I'll withdraw here considering I am hardly making any sense to any of you...


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Old 04-03-2003, 11:40 PM   #33
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Alright, this is an origional *ASC*er floating about.

Now while the SC and ASC have taken the backburner of JKII politics, needless to say their ways still remain. However, I believe the main problem of the origional argument was members of the SC filtering to servers they have no relations to, and start kicking people.

Sorry people, but only one group of people should have this access: the admins.

What you people here do not recognize is that the admins pay for the servers, you only pay for the software to play on those servers. That means they (the admins) can set any rule to their hearts desire, and you don't have to play on them. Since the admins pay for said servers, it is a PRIVLEDGE, not a RIGHT to play on a server. This is as much misconception as the music industry having the freedom of speech clause of the First Amendment of the US Constitution backing them when it comes to censorship. Face it: you're not going to win.

However, I am not totally into the RP scene in JKII. Quite frankly, if I ever see an RP scene, I'm going to have my brains against the wall with a exit wound from my head of the size approximated from a 9mm parabellum round.

So, in other words:

If you bow, I will bow just as a sign of readiness. If you don't, I don't care. I just may have to hurt you even more.

You come to a server that I am administrating on and think you can do whatever you please, then you have another thing coming to you. By connecting to the server and hitting JOIN GAME, you are consenting by contract to the server that you will abide by any rules made by said admin or admins. Breaking that contract has repercussions. This is life. Get used to it.

Also, I want to address one last point:

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Sure "llama" but that's not the same thing.

I don't see people bitching in Counter-Strike "OMGF he lamed me I didn't have my AK-47 out".

I don't see people in standing around in a FFA in games like UT2003 watching two guys fight.

I don't see RTCW players crying "WTF man don't call in an air strike here can't you see my chat box?"
Your argument is null because of the way the game is construed. CS, UT2003, JKII, and RTCW are FPS. That is where the comparison ends. Look at what we are fighting with, for a moment. Yup, you got that right. Most of the time, it is sabers. Tell me, what other game involves swordplay as heavily as JKII?

Sure, knifing gets you kicks and giggles in CS, but it isn't a quintessential part of it.

I'm not going to comment on the other two because I have not played them.

Face it: people are honor bound. I don't know if it is the addiction to the old samurai movies or what, but they got that mentality in their heads.

Remember ladies and gents, in duels, it is all out. There is no rulebook. Ask any european who has died while accepting a challenge.

EDIT: Sorry, one last thing.

With those who enjoy invoking the saber off=peace rule, I got a few things for you:

1.) Use common sense, if a few saberists are going at it, then don't run right between them and whine.

2.) Offensive force powers count as a saber being active

I'm sure there are a few things I am missing, but it is these two that make me type the following thing:

/name "Mormegil *ASC*"
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Old 04-03-2003, 11:48 PM   #34
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"Oh that sounds just about right,considering killing all the "whiny newbies" remember this you'll be a newb, and that your whining now,so your being a hypocrit,another thing,I don't consider bowing an rpg rule,I consider it A jedi outcast rule,practicly no matter what server you go to your going to end up doing it,and if you do run around and start hacking away at people,And as a matter of fact im one of them....Let's just say I lame the lamers without any thought,So here is a warning,shut the f*** up and quick spittin crap,Or i'll hunt you down, damn lamer."

Nice use of swear words and insults. Really makes me believe that you're the mature one here, and not I.

Aside from that, I'd disagree - why is bowing and saber-offage a JKO "rule?" Where is this written? Why do I have to follow it? I don't want to follow it... but I should have to because some nerd says that I do? Some nerd that paid the same $50 for the game that I did?

Yeah, sure...

I'm playing the game how I want to play it. This does not involve RPG elements. The way I play the game will not be influenced by you because you want me to "bow" and turn my saber off every 30 seconds.

I'm not expecting you to play like I want you to, why are you expecting me to play the game like you want me to?

Who's being the hypocrite, again?

Oh, and, I was curious... how does being a newbie "again" in JKA going to matter in the slightest? It sounds like saber combat is going to be pretty much the same, just with more moves... I'm pretty sure I won't be as much of a "newbie" as somebody who never played JKO... Right?
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Old 04-04-2003, 12:02 AM   #35
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I'm gonna state this, ready? Here I go...


I was with SC (Saberist Code) and was chosen to go against an ASC. The "this match will show who will rule" match. I kicked his butt...and SC came out victorious...however, as it went off....it just wasn't even worth it. I dropped the tag, and now I just play. I personally have a "code of conduct" I follow just to respect players...but I'm not "all-SC" anymore. Like I said, if someone wants to RPG, I'll play along, but I'm not going to start it.

If I see someone in FFA without a saber, I won't attack them, unless they abuse it (like saber off mid-fight, or saber off then on quickly for a cheap kill....I'll slaughter those)...but don't go around expecting me to bow to every little healthpack and gun around.



MY SUGGESTION TO LUCAS ARTS:
Add some sort of "gametype" that shows "RPG". That way, if you are joining a FFA-RPG server...RPG away, if you don't....leave/get kicked. If you just join a normal FFA server and people cutt your head off when you bow...it's your own fault for acting like an idiot on a non-RPG server...go join an RPG server.

All in all

RPers will go to RPG servers
Normal players will go to normal servers.

It wouldn't take much programming to do this. No changes at all other than a new name (FFA RPG and FFA would be exactly alike, but people joining would see if the server wants RPing or not)


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Old 04-04-2003, 12:51 AM   #36
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Sure, knifing gets you kicks and giggles in CS, but it isn't a quintessential part of it.
Sounds like sabering in JO to me.
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Originally posted by Mobius Berreta. So new rules were conjered up,Like whats his face said they may not be writen in "stone" but they still stand by many server owners and what not.
By who, and what makes you think *everyone should follow them?

I can honestly say without a doubt that the number of better Full Force saber only players in JK2 that are better than I am can be counted on one hand and chances are there will be a few fingers to spare.

But do I go around telling people how to play?
No.
But I'm supposed to listen to some role playing noobie that can't do 1/2 the things I can when I'm barely even trying?



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JK2 on the other hand has many flaws according to this,I have no problem with what you say that people dont go around in other games saying lamer or whatever,but in jk2 it's going to happen more,and the only reason is is because jk2 has based it self on this so called rp type format.
It wasn't ment to,it just happend.
Right, it was *not meant to, so if I have no desire to put up with this garbage, you have no right to complain when I don't bow or do some other silly gesture that shows I have "no honor".

It's an action game, that's how I play it.



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But seriously I have a problem with people running around saying that they gonna end up killin all of them just for doing something that they believe is mandatory,it makes no sense, and so it being lame gave birth to lamness and so on and so forth.

Next time you play JK2, once in-game do me a favor.
Press "TAB" and tell me what you see.

Scores right?
Wow an action game where scoring is kept tack of, ground breaking concept.

And how do you score?
You kill.

Mind blowing isn't it?



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MAKE YOUR OWN SERVER AND SET YOUR OWN DAMN RULES IF YOU CAN'T RESPECT OTHER'S CHOICES.
See my friend, thatís the problem.

You see that server address in my sig?
I provided at my own cost, a dedicated server.

My rules right?

Nope.
People like you come on and constantly bitch and moan about these stupid little role playing rules that I CHOOSE not to have on a server I am PAYING for.

So don't give me any BS about RPG saber noobies staying on their own little admin mod servers and not bothering anyone.
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Your argument is null because of the way the game is construed. CS, UT2003, JKII, and RTCW are FPS. That is where the comparison ends. Look at what we are fighting with, for a moment. Yup, you got that right. Most of the time, it is sabers. Tell me, what other game involves swordplay as heavily as JKII?
Yeah.. Ok there.

So whether or not I'm allowed to kill anything that moves in a *FFA all depends on the melee weapon in my hand?

Thanks for clearing that one up.





You have been around since day 1 if I'm correct.
So have I.

Do you remember a time when you could filter out the FFA game type in a browser and find 24 people going all out racing for the top spot and racking up kills as fast as humanly possible?

I do.

People played the game for what it was, an action game (I won't use the FPS term so as to not get into that discussion again) with Force powers and sabers.


Now?

Oh you can still find a FFA server with 24 people in it; problem is its 24 RPG saber noobies standing around doing idiotic ballerina emotes.

And please before you or anyone chimes in with the standard "go to another server" comment, like I said in the post above this one, they spread out like roaches to servers like mine where this nonsense is not wanted.
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Old 04-04-2003, 01:28 AM   #39
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Bacon00 Don't follow them. It's as simple as that. Go hack and slash all the idiots standing around doing the emote crap. If/when you get booted, go to another server. Do it again.

If more and more people start doing this, all the RPG crap will die away. The newbies who whine will either leave or adapt.

I hate that part of JK2 - you can't just go on and start whoring peeps. You gotta bow, turn your saber off, acknowledge that they aren't ready yet, bow again, etc. etc. etc. I hate it. Absolutely hate it.

When JK3 is released, I'm killing anybody and everybody.

End of story.
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jedi220 Whoring peeps is the way you like to play? Jeez, I don't think that's the point of the game...it may be in an FFA, but if you're dueling, then by all means no. Who respects an opponent who comes in and slashes the living crap out of everyone?
and theres me thinking this game was about killing players?

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Mobius Berreta. Your comparing jk2 to First person shooters,well This is easy for me to answer but may be confusing for you to get.
Look at jk2,most of it now has based it self on sabre's and not blasters.
The problem i have with that comment is the fact all the Fanboys nerfed the saber! as they wanted to stand there for 30mins thinking they was sooo good, but the truth was they would of killed each other quicker with a bread stick.



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RPers will go to RPG servers
Normal players will go to normal servers.
if only

The way I play is to score... CtF run get flags or stand and kill flag runners. ffa well as it says kill all thats in front of you. Tffa well same as before but try help out ya team as well. Dule well i say if you want to bow before hand thats ok, just dont ***** about to long and get it over so the next guy can have his turn.


Fan Boys must be killed BUT for god sake only kill them with there saber down


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